Levi to win Suisse

[saganftw]

Saganftw - you have to know that nothing says **** like someone who just posts lulz images. What are you 14?

at least im not stamping on cadels dog.what are you 13?

i dont know how long have you been following cycling but im surprised you and some other fans dont understand that leipheimer is not wheelsucking because he wants to...hes doin it because he just cant go faster - do you see the difference? he s not as good climber as others,he either wheelsucks or drops,he cant attack

did you see cunego yesterday? attacked for like 30 seconds,then failed and lost in the finish...wtf is that for a strategy? and you are goin to praise him because he tried? lol seriously if cunego just went and waited for kruiswijk attack he couldve followed him and maybe beat him in the last 50m

leipheimer is borring rider i agree but this hatred is just over the top,as i said in my previous post he is the smartest rider in the peloton because he doesnt do stupid moves,you cant count on him - if i were DS i would prefer leipheimer over cunego any day

 

[UpTheRoad]

There is also the strong connection with Armstrong that doesn't help.

For me it is not hate at all. Don't know him and he seems like a decent guy, so no reason to hate. I just don't like his riding style. He is just so bland on the bike. Makes everyone else look like Vino in comparison.

I will happily admit that he is an excellent rider and I'll give credit where due. I like his professionalism, too. Always comes to race in shape and he is very consistent with his good form/results. I just can't get past the extremely conservative riding style.

I saw a reference to the Great Kazoo. I think Megamind is also a good fit.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Sagan - OK. Thank you for proving that you are 14 and that your knowledge of racing can be written on the back of a postage stamp. All you've done is repeat verbatim what Harmon etc have been saying to justify the dwarf's negative racing style.

Photos of Stalin - no photos of Hitler available? You stay classy.

Up the road. I always think he looks like the Mekon. Which is appropriate given the ET performance in TOC.

 

[saganftw]

OK. Thank you for proving that you are 14 and that your knowledge of racing can be written on the back of a postage stamp. All you've done is repeat verbatim what Harmon etc have been saying to justify the dwarf's negative racing style.

Photos of Stalin - no photos of Hitler available? You stay classy.

Up the road. I always think he looks like the Mekon

calling a person dwarf- very mature

i just dont get it how can u hate someone who is doin his best to stay with top climbers...i would understand your hatred if leipheirmer was intentionally wheelsucking even if he can beat everyone- but he cant he is doin his best to stay with better climbers than himself

or do you want him to attack,then blow and loose time in the finish? yeah very smart

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The poison dwarf is quite apt for him actually:

A selfish, untrustworthy, deeply obnoxious or evil person of diminutive size, whose ostensibly unthreatening appearance allows them to fulfil their predisposition for causing unprovoked pain and suffering in an under-hand manner for anyone who has the misfortune to strike-up a friendship them

Clearly, unlike you, I can tell the difference between a rider on the limit and a wheelsucker who is a parasite on the group.

If the PD wins then fine, but it will be another feather in the cap for boring negative cynical racing, which is not my thing.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your eppy.

 

[saganftw]

The poison dwarf is quite apt for him actually:



Clearly, unlike you, I can tell the difference between a rider on the limit and a wheelsucker who is a parasite on the group.

If the PD wins then fine, but it will be another feather in the cap for boring negative cynical racing, which is not my thing.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your eppy.

so what you are saying is that lepheimer can actually attack others but he wont because he is just bad person? are you kiddin right...

 

[Angliru]

BAMF is going to ride away from the all tonight and when by 2 hours...

Mathias Frank rode a great stage yesterday. Very impressive.

 

[Angliru]

if damiano keeps liepo within a minute going into the itt -which is more than realistic after today's mtf - he'll win the gc.

i see 2 factors in his favour, (i) he aint a terrible tter particularly in the longish ones (ii) the itt course is NOT flat but rather lumpy. liepo's diesel likes flat and staying in the same rhythm. damiano likes lumpy as a more explosive rider.

sorry, i don't see damiano losing the gc if he's not impoding in these 2 days.

I hope you're right. It would be a great win for Cunego.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Mathias Frank rode a great stage yesterday. Very impressive.

Yep. Hopefully he can put in another strong peformance tonight. No big long descents which are near the finish which is good for his phobia.

 

[mulletCobra]

Chrome Dome will not win. If he does, I will Werner Herzog.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

so what you are saying is that lepheimer can actually attack others but he wont because he is just bad person? are you kiddin right...

Is he untrustworthy, underhand and devious - yes - look at the thread in the clinic about his wikipedia entry and the way in which he behaved in trying to have it suppressed.

Go and look it up and then come back and we can discuss how wonderful the PD is.

The PD's style of racing is negative, cynical and boring to watch, and I'm sorry if this upsets you but I don't enjoy watching negative, cynical boring riders and I don't like it when that kind of riding triumphs over attacking riding.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Chrome Dome will not win. If he does, I will Werner Herzog.

If BAMF wins then I will do a Anthony Weiner! (only joking)

 

[Stingray34]

After Schleck and Armstrong last year, if bottle wins this the Suisse organising committee needs to have a serious think about reversing the slide their race is taking.

Awful, awful cyclist. Cynicism on a bike.

 

[saganftw]

Is he untrustworthy, underhand and devious - yes - look at the thread in the clinic about his wikipedia entry and the way in which he behaved in trying to have it suppressed.

Go and look it up and then come back and we can discuss how wonderful the PD is.

The PD's style of racing is negative, cynical and boring to watch, and I'm sorry if this upsets you but I don't enjoy watching negative, cynical boring riders and I don't like it when that kind of riding triumphs over attacking riding.

there is difference between not liking a cyclists style and hate for him

i dont like watching leipheimer either,but im far from calling him dwarf or parasite,maybe thats just me bein positive person - i appreciate that there is a guy who is not as good as others but still can keep up with them

i think that there are smart and entertaining things u can do as a professional cyclists - smart things will give u results,entertaining things will give u praise of ppl,very few cyclists can combine both

tldr : i dont like leipheimers style,but i dont think he is devious parasite as a person, certainly not more than others

edit: when wiggins won DL there wasnt a thread about him being parasite or about his awful racing style and as far as i remember wiggins have never ever ever attacked anyone - so why is this double standard goin on here on forums?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Have you read that clinic thread on the Poison Dwarf yet?

 

[jens_attacks]

saganftw,get used to it...you will see a lot of hatred towards the radioshack team this july.
this was and is a very mountainous tour de suisse,if cunego or rabo boys can't drop him for good,it's not levi's fault.and yes,me too i prefer attacking riders vs boring ones like levi is.

 

[saganftw]

Have you read that clinic thread on the Poison Dwarf yet?

you mean clinic on this forums full of doctors and experts in the field? this clinic?sure why not

anyway i was just curious if you hate leipheimer because of his racing style or u just hate him full package and use his racing style as a fuel for your animosity

 

[taiwan]

Nah I think people go over the top about 'wheelsuckers'. For me, that is pretty much the default style of riding for a stage race. If you can make time on people in the mountains, you attack. If you can make time on people in the chrono. you defend in the mountains. Also, if you're an attacking type who attacked yesterday and are paying for it, you defend. It's sensible.

If you're strong enough to trump the defensive style of riding, well done. You're exceptionally strong, and a clinic thread has been started to account for that. Otherwise, the race goes on - it's your job.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Do a search. Read the thread and the discussion. Then come back and we can discuss the Poison Dwarf. As it is you're speaking from a position of ignorance and it isn't doing you any favours.

 

[saganftw]

Do a search. Read the thread and the discussion. Then come back and we can discuss the Poison Dwarf. As it is you're speaking from a position of ignorance and it isn't doing you any favours.

i thought that you hate him only because u dont like wheelsucking riders in general - thats what i dont understand

now that u came out i understand that u just hate leipheimer completly,thats ok it makes sense (no sarcasm),u would hate him even if he was attacking style of cyclist

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

You obviously haven't been reading properly and I am not surprised judging by how you write.

Read, learn and then come back, it's a long thread but sometimes you need to do these things in order to learn.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7096

It's ironic that you should use Stalin earlier in the thread (you do know who Stalin is don't you?) as like Levi he was very keen on re-writing history.

 

[saganftw]

You obviously haven't been reading properly and I am not surprised judging by how you write.

Read, learn and then come back

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7096

It's ironic that you should use Stalin earlier in the thread (you do know who Stalin is don't you?) as like Levi he was very keen on re-writing history.

why do u keep bringing clinic stuff here? i know hes been doping and im not defending him...this thread is not about doping

im arguing about his racing style,u dont like it because u dont like leipheimer because hes doper...i understand,happy now?

i hope he really wins TdS so i can troll u on sunday,be ready for more trollposts from me (and before u bring some mature response,im imature umad?)

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

You obviously haven't read the thread or this thread. Enough said.

 

[saganftw]

You obviously haven't read the thread or this thread. Enough said.

 

[taiwan]

Do a search. Read the thread and the discussion. Then come back and we can discuss the Poison Dwarf. As it is you're speaking from a position of ignorance and it isn't doing you any favours.

If this case against Leipheimer is based on [matters discussed in the clinic], then make it in the clinic. This thread just reads like people frothing at the mouth over his (common) riding style.