auscyclefan94 said:Levi was pretty average even when he did dope! That's the funny thing about these accusations.
When he was with the Hog = well above average or podium finisher
When he was elsewhere = above average
auscyclefan94 said:Levi was pretty average even when he did dope! That's the funny thing about these accusations.
Alpe d'Huez said:...........
As I recall TH's off numbers were 129 when he got his warning, so to have Levi come in higher than that says something.
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auscyclefan94 said:Levi was pretty average even when he did dope! That's the funny thing about these accusations.
editedbymod said:Very similar to the Hamilton case.
He received several "please explain" blood vaules type letter before being pinged.
131313 said:?
3 grand tour podiums is hardly average... That's the same as Cadel, after all!
Thomas Frei is average. Leipheimer is hardly average. There are a lot of worse guys than he who are doping.
auscyclefan94 said:Levi was pretty average even when he did dope! That's the funny thing about these accusations.
Alpe d'Huez said:Respect to HMH for revealing this important information. Equally telling yes on the UCI's actions. Almost acting like a guide to help keep riders from testing positive. As I recall TH's off numbers were 129 when he got his warning, so to have Levi come in higher than that says something.
Le breton said:Your memory fails you, Tyler Hamilton at least once got as close as you can get : 132.9. With reticulocytes at 0.22.
Plus Hct at 49.7
Man, having a dead twin is such a curse.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/hamilton_appeal
Kennf1 said:Wow. I'd never seen those numbers before.
Colm.Murphy said:hmmm... this sticks out to me:
The device used to measure reticulocytes, known as a Sysmex, became available as a portable machine in 2001 (other machines, such as the ADVIA and Coulter, are also used but for monitoring purposes only, and a rider cannot be declared 'unfit to start' if either is used). But it was only in late 2003 when the Australian authors modified the parameters to make them useful as a tool for anti-doping.
So, Lance donates the cash to the UCI for the piece of equipment that essentially ensnared Tyler?
Barrus said:Interpol doesn't do anything like that, they are an agency that is mainly focused on ensuring cooperation between different justice systems, not doing any investigating or prosecuting themselves
editedbymod said:You guys still forget the lynchpin in all of this....
Tommy D.
The Hog got him on the program and it made him sick. Very sick. His ex went on record telling the USADA what the Hog did to her boy. The power of Hog and Tommy dumps her for Steph.
Tommy like Dave Z sort refuge in Vaughters. That's where they go. So they can ride, earn a crust and not be pressured to dope. JV deserves a medal for this.
Seriously Tommy has a story and knows what the Hog and hanging with LA brings.
jobiwan said:I have no problem with people telling the truth. It's telling the truth just for self-promotion that I have a problem with.
Always excuses. Ok, he is trying to make money, but could we talk about the 132.8 off-score value? Is this doping or not?saganftw said:oh what a coincidence, revealing doping while presenting your book...no excuses for levi blood values but this is just low s*it from HMH
Escarabajo said:Always excuses. Ok, he is trying to make money, but could we talk about the 132.8 off-score value? Is this doping or not?
+1.Moose McKnuckles said:When he was with the Hog = well above average or podium finisher
When he was elsewhere = above average
Tubeless said:But you're ok for someone telling a lie for self-promotion? Can you think of anyone who's pretty good at this?
jobiwan said:Lying is never right. Anyone who has doped should face the music, but it's just convenient that he is suddenly aware of what happened under his watch when the truth will help him make some money. And all of this is about money, it always is.
Ok. Hans-Michael Holczer is a very bad, bad boy. And greedy.jobiwan said:Lying is never right. Anyone who has doped should face the music, but it's just convenient that he is suddenly aware of what happened under his watch when the truth will help him make some money. And all of this is about money, it always is.
Escarabajo said:Ok. Hans-Michael Holczer is a very bad, bad boy. And greedy.
Still, there is proof that Levi doped. You want to comment about his off-score?
NO, but he looks very average on the climbs. He wasn't brilliant when he was at Rabobank.131313 said:?
3 grand tour podiums is hardly average... That's the same as Cadel, after all!
Thomas Frei is average. Leipheimer is hardly average. There are a lot of worse guys than he who are doping.
Hugh Januss said:Maybe ACF is finally admitting that Evans is pretty average?