Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[BubbaChuck]

Iam suspecting gels also,but fact is,he wasnot on a great day.He looked crazy easy,when they started sending it,but than he looked laboured rest of the way. VDP looked stronger on flat yesterday and with better recovery. He didnot have usual zing.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Iam suspecting gels also,but fact is,he wasnot on a great day.He looked crazy easy,when they started sending it,but than he looked laboured rest of the way. VDP looked stronger on flat yesterday and with better recovery. He didnot have usual zing.

Didn't you watch PR last year? Pog cracked a bit at the end and was doing zigzags to avoid even easy cobbles (it looked comical). He was maybe more laboured than yesterday. Its the same laws of physics that work against his opponents at the business end of hilly/mountainous races: MVP and WVA have better engines on this terrain.

 

[ivanic]

Wout saved cycling today.

❤️

Let’s be honest folks, a rider like Pogacar, his physical attributes, shouldn’t be anywhere near winning Paris Roubaix never mind any of the other classic races. So many people have swallowed the koolaid to such an extent that they now think this is all totally normal. It really isn’t.

💯

 

[burning]

Serious question, are you trolling, or just somehow unable to see what the issue is? Not exaggerating, half of the race thread was people losing their mind at every turn because other riders dared not do exactly what they wanted to minimize Pogacar's chances of winning the race (as well as the obvious laughable double standards and seething jokes), because that's by far the most important thing for those people. And this went of for 5 hours, over and over. There was probably 10+ posters who if I was in their place yesterday, especially considering what the end result was, I wouldn't dare come back here again. It's insane to me how people like Red Rick and Netserk can conduct themselves in a manner like that again and again and still supposedly be respected members. The topic has nothing to do with Pogacar not winning, but I suspect you understand this and are just reflecting.

Instead your post is about Pogacar not being normal, I can guarantee you that there isn't anyone in this forum who disagrees. So what's the general point then, the best riders should do 3 races per season, so we only have to "suffer" them in those races and are "freed" the rest of the time? That's been a popular one here, pining for the days were proven dopers didn't race or were trash the rest of the season and then wont TDF, because they weren't greedy. Unbelievable.

If anything, one of cycling's issues is that the best so rarely meet throughout the year, it should always be encouraged. Remco racing Flanders was great and actually put Pogacar's performances into perspective, destroying Wout and only 40s behind MVP despite spending so much more energy. But if the sentiment is that they are actually racing motorbikes out there then I don't see much point following, either in Pogacar's era or after that.

Agreed on this. I wrote this before, but I really struggle to see the posts of Pogacar fanboys that everyone rages about, especially in the clinic. Most "positive" posts are usually in the tune of "he is doped obviously but I like full-throttle racing" instead of the riders who were allergic to see wind in their faces about 10ish years ago.

The PR race thread was completely insane and I thought I was watching a different race, lol. I really don't think most folks would care about or respect the posters that you mentioned. They are probably trolling or really lost the plot, not sure which is more true.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Most "positive" posts are usually in the tune of "he is doped obviously but I like full-throttle racing" instead of the riders who were allergic to see wind in their faces about 10ish years ago.

The last part of this comment seems blind to the fact that preserving energy is absolutely paramount when you aren't a completely radioactive rider. Greg van Avermaet won as much as he did because he raced incredibly smart against Peter Sagan, who instead kept wasting his energy. Ironically, Pogi's superhuman and utterly unbelievable performances have actually lent credibility to the superstars of yesteryear, because at least the likes of Sagan would actually tire significantly when they did all-out turns on the front for 70 kilometers, and often eventually be beaten by riders who rode smart and conserved energy, a very believable outcome to such situations as opposed to the all-out rider just riding his breakaway companions out of his backwheel at will.

 

[burning]

The last part of this comment seems blind to the fact that preserving energy is absolutely paramount when you aren't a completely radioactive rider. Greg van Avermaet won as much as he did because he raced incredibly smart against Peter Sagan, who instead kept wasting his energy. Ironically, Pogi's superhuman and utterly unbelievable performances have actually lent credibility to the superstars of yesteryear, because at least the likes of Sagan would actually tire significantly when they did all-out turns on the front for 70 kilometers, and often eventually be beaten by riders who rode smart and conserved energy, a very believable outcome to such situations as opposed to the all-out rider just riding his breakaway companions out of his backwheel at will.

I don't deny the fact that the riders are way more eager to pull and ride aggressively simply because they are way stronger and not afraid to blow up.

I don't claim that Pogacar or similar riders are not radioactive, I am just saying that I prefer full-throttle racing instead of 2008-2020ish era where all but few riders were deathly scared of doing anything, even though they were riding within their capabilities.

 

[SorelyBoy]

I'd ask folks to analyse the footage from yesterday where Pogacar attacked Wout on the final couple of big cobbled sections. The angle from side on is instructive. Pogacar makes his move, and yet there appears to be no observable additional effort. Maybe a slight increase in cadence? Maybe, but what there certainly doesn't appear to be is a body straining to exert every available amount of power. He floats. There is no contortion of the core nor rocking of the shoulders, no sign of additional power being pushed from his legs onto his pedals. Now compare it to Van Aert. He visibly starts to press the pedals so hard I half expected his feet to break them. The vast amount of power he exerts merely to keep up is transparent for all to see, a super athlete doing his thing. His increased effort looks normal and expected. Pogacar's just looks like a super smooth acceleration with no sign that it's coming from the body. And it looked very odd to me. He did 10KM on that neutral bike and I saw a very different rider, a rider who had to make an actual effort to ride his bike. Sure, not his set up, but it was night and day.

 

[Basecase]

I'd ask folks to analyse the footage from yesterday where Pogacar attacked Wout on the final couple of big cobbled sections. The angle from side on is instructive. Pogacar makes his move, and yet there appears to be no observable additional effort. Maybe a slight increase in cadence? Maybe, but what there certainly doesn't appear to be is a body straining to exert every available amount of power. He floats. There is no contortion of the core nor rocking of the shoulders, no sign of additional power being pushed from his legs onto his pedals. Now compare it to Van Aert. He visibly starts to press the pedals so hard I half expected his feet to break them. The vast amount of power he exerts merely to keep up is transparent for all to see, a super athlete doing his thing. His increased effort looks normal and expected. Pogacar's just looks like a super smooth acceleration with no sign that it's coming from the body. And it looked very odd to me. He did 10KM on that neutral bike and I saw a very different rider, a rider who had to make an actual effort to ride his bike. Sure, not his set up, but it was night and day.

I noticed that aswell with Pog - looked very strange like he was making no effort yet floating away from WVA.....

At how many km to go was it?

 

[pelotonIQ]

Who would have thought a rider has issues on a bike not set up for them that they’ve rarely if ever rode.

I'm laughing these people have never raced a single day of their lives, the things I'm reading no I take it back, I think they don't even own a racing bicycle.

 

[yaco]

I'd ask folks to analyse the footage from yesterday where Pogacar attacked Wout on the final couple of big cobbled sections. The angle from side on is instructive. Pogacar makes his move, and yet there appears to be no observable additional effort. Maybe a slight increase in cadence? Maybe, but what there certainly doesn't appear to be is a body straining to exert every available amount of power. He floats. There is no contortion of the core nor rocking of the shoulders, no sign of additional power being pushed from his legs onto his pedals. Now compare it to Van Aert. He visibly starts to press the pedals so hard I half expected his feet to break them. The vast amount of power he exerts merely to keep up is transparent for all to see, a super athlete doing his thing. His increased effort looks normal and expected. Pogacar's just looks like a super smooth acceleration with no sign that it's coming from the body. And it looked very odd to me. He did 10KM on that neutral bike and I saw a very different rider, a rider who had to make an actual effort to ride his bike. Sure, not his set up, but it was night and day.

So you are saying that Pogacar used a motor and still was not good enough to win. There is no hope for the fella.

 

[SorelyBoy]

So you are saying that Pogacar used a motor and still was not good enough to win. There is no hope for the fella.

I’m saying a rider with the physical attributes of Pogacar should be nowhere near to someone like Van Aert in a race such as Paris Roubaix, never mind trying to gap him on the huge cobbles section near the end of the race. If you believe this ***, any of it, there really is no hope for you because it’s a complete crock of very bad smelling doo daa, an utter fantasy. I suggest you review the last thirty years of this sport and reevaluate your thinking.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I wouldn’t take anything you read in the race threads seriously, it’s mostly just a bit of a laugh.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

After all the claims that people hate the endless repetitions of Pogacar's wins, where does the love for redundancy here come from I wonder.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Forget about Foliforov, Riccò, Landis, or Vino. This guy is by far and away the least credible rider we've ever seen. Look at this list of results from 2026 and tell me with a straight face that it's even remotely believable that the same rider has won the Tour four times.

This is a Fabian Cancellara result list. Not a Grand Tour winner result list. You can go ahead and ask Nibali or Wiggins how well you can combine these races with Grand Tours.

Isn’t it more interesting to ask Wiggins how well you can combine cocaine with Grand Tours

 

[PedalOC]

I'd ask folks to analyse the footage from yesterday where Pogacar attacked Wout on the final couple of big cobbled sections. The angle from side on is instructive. Pogacar makes his move, and yet there appears to be no observable additional effort. Maybe a slight increase in cadence? Maybe, but what there certainly doesn't appear to be is a body straining to exert every available amount of power. He floats. There is no contortion of the core nor rocking of the shoulders, no sign of additional power being pushed from his legs onto his pedals. Now compare it to Van Aert. He visibly starts to press the pedals so hard I half expected his feet to break them. The vast amount of power he exerts merely to keep up is transparent for all to see, a super athlete doing his thing. His increased effort looks normal and expected. Pogacar's just looks like a super smooth acceleration with no sign that it's coming from the body. And it looked very odd to me. He did 10KM on that neutral bike and I saw a very different rider, a rider who had to make an actual effort to ride his bike. Sure, not his set up, but it was night and day.

Yes I noticed this, at 52 km left. After WVA attacks, Pog had to cover the gap from far far behind, then goes on a counter attack. Pedersen is left in the dust and WVA looks like he is using every muscle in his body, while Pog looks strangely smooth in comparison.

 

[DONCA]

I'd ask folks to analyse the footage from yesterday where Pogacar attacked Wout on the final couple of big cobbled sections. The angle from side on is instructive. Pogacar makes his move, and yet there appears to be no observable additional effort. Maybe a slight increase in cadence? Maybe, but what there certainly doesn't appear to be is a body straining to exert every available amount of power. He floats. There is no contortion of the core nor rocking of the shoulders, no sign of additional power being pushed from his legs onto his pedals. Now compare it to Van Aert. He visibly starts to press the pedals so hard I half expected his feet to break them. The vast amount of power he exerts merely to keep up is transparent for all to see, a super athlete doing his thing. His increased effort looks normal and expected. Pogacar's just looks like a super smooth acceleration with no sign that it's coming from the body. And it looked very odd to me. He did 10KM on that neutral bike and I saw a very different rider, a rider who had to make an actual effort to ride his bike. Sure, not his set up, but it was night and day.

I had exactly the same thought. It looked so unnatural and so smooth. You also noticed that pog always looks
down to his backwheel or cranks when he is doing those weird looking attacks?
you can see it in this video at minute 08:40.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr_ZbkUj0A


I noticed this so many times but only with pogacar. Why does he always look down to his backwheel or crank when he does those crazy attacks? To be sure that he activated the nitro? To be sure that he got the magic star from super mario? It looks so off.

Another odd thing i saw was at his first puncture where he stopped and then did 2 pedal strokes to turn the backwheel. But why? Why do you pedal if you gonna change your bike? I never do this when i puncture and i never saw any other rider doing this. Checking the tubes yes but doing 2 pedal strokes? For which reason? Disactivating something because he knew that the bike wasn´t pick up by his own teamcar? He haven´t done the same think at his bike change 71km to go where the teamcar was just behind him. why?

Minute 0:12

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr_ZbkUj0A


Pog on a neutral bike was like a completely different rider. Riders were overtaking him and it looked like he knew that he couldn´t hold up with the others. And yes, the shimano bike is the shimano bike and it´s not fitted to pog (even if the position wasn´t that bad) but everyone riding a bike that doesn´t fit perfectly knows that it´s not too bad for a short time. At least for some kilometers..... you try and push a bit more but pog? It looked like he didn´t even try because he knew that he has no chance on a normal bike.

On the shimano bike he just looked like a normal climber struggling against those big guys on the flat.
Back on his bike it was again like watching science fiction. Dropping pedersen and co. guys with higher ftps.
So where are those watts coming from on the flats?

Not to mention all the bike changes (not only Pog). Yes it´s Paris Roubaix you get punctures but 3 in one race? What was at 71km to go. There wasn´t even a flat tire to see. Or is it maybe bike with motor to normal bike and back to motor......

I had to think about what greg lemond said. "you didn´t see that many bike changes back in the days. where do all those bike changes coming from?"....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNFyYjKCcKU

 

[SorelyBoy]

Yes I noticed this, at 52 km left. After WVA attacks, Pog had to cover the gap from far far behind, then goes on a counter attack. Pedersen is left in the dust and WVA looks like he is using every muscle in his body, while Pog looks strangely smooth in comparison.

Not much sign of strain in those calves was there? I’ve watched it again, and it looks anomalous at the very least. How *does* a guy with that physique develop so much raw power with such relative ease?

 

[BubbaChuck]

I cant believe,how much pog struggled with vva attacks.

 

[SorelyBoy]

I had exactly the same thought. It looked so unnatural and so smooth. You also noticed that pog always looks
down to his backwheel or cranks when he is doing those weird looking attacks?
you can see it in this video at minute 08:40.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr_ZbkUj0A


I noticed this so many times but only with pogacar. Why does he always look down to his backwheel or crank when he does those crazy attacks? To be sure that he activated the nitro? To be sure that he got the magic star from super mario? It looks so off.

Another odd thing i saw was at his first puncture where he stopped and then did 2 pedal strokes to turn the backwheel. But why? Why do you pedal if you gonna change your bike? I never do this when i puncture and i never saw any other rider doing this. Checking the tubes yes but doing 2 pedal strokes? For which reason? Disactivating something because he knew that the bike wasn´t pick up by his own teamcar? He haven´t done the same think at his bike change 71km to go where the teamcar was just behind him. why?

Minute 0:12

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFr_ZbkUj0A


Pog on a neutral bike was like a completely different rider. Riders were overtaking him and it looked like he knew that he couldn´t hold up with the others. And yes, the shimano bike is the shimano bike and it´s not fitted to pog (even if the position wasn´t that bad) but everyone riding a bike that doesn´t fit perfectly knows that it´s not too bad for a short time. At least for some kilometers..... you try and push a bit more but pog? It looked like he didn´t even try because he knew that he has no chance on a normal bike.

On the shimano bike he just looked like a normal climber struggling against those big guys on the flat.
Back on his bike it was again like watching science fiction. Dropping pedersen and co. guys with higher ftps.
So where are those watts coming from on the flats?

Not to mention all the bike changes (not only Pog). Yes it´s Paris Roubaix you get punctures but 3 in one race? What was at 71km to go. There wasn´t even a flat tire to see. Or is it maybe bike with motor to normal bike and back to motor......

I had to think about what greg lemond said. "you didn´t see that many bike changes back in the days. where do all those bike changes coming from?"....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNFyYjKCcKU

Good post. That double back wheel spin following the stop does warrant an explanation. Like, why? Plus, yeah, now you mention it he does have a tendency to look downwards and back after those big attacks. And yeah, as I’ve said, he looked totally different on that Shimano bike. Far too different than he should have. Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Revelation]

Nice, no reason given to my post being deleted, I guess this place is beyond hope.

 

[DONCA]

Good post. That double back wheel spin following the stop does warrant an explanation. Like, why? Plus, yeah, now you mention it he does have a tendency to look downwards and back after those big attacks. And yeah, as I’ve said, he looked totally different on that Shimano bike. Far too different than he should have. Curiouser and curiouser.

A motor could technically be deactivated by wheel or crank rotation through sensor logic.

Some of those system can read:

• wheel speed
• crank cadence
• rotation direction
• number of rotations
• torque/load

A controller can be programmed so that a specific rotation pattern acts like a hidden switch. For example:
1 wheel spin + no pedal load -> cut power to the motor controller or disengage the clutch

I imagine it wouldn’t be easy if you had a small motor in the bike. Especially when riding over cobbles and entering corners way too fast, but even when you’re no longer pedaling the motor keeps accelerating anyway andcausing the wheels to (over)spin and almost making you crash because of it. Must be a really hard job to control a bike like this and not overpacing in the corners.

But good that something like this didn´t happen to Tadej last year or this year. Wait....
didn´t he crashed out last year because of overpacing before a corner? Wait wasn´t he almost crashing also this year because he went to fast in that one corner 16,9km to go? His rear wheel was completely spinning out even though he wasn’t pedaling, and even after he braked, it started spinning like crazy out again seconds later.

Yes, wheels can still spin at high speed even after braking but spinning like this? Not losing speed after drifting and braking? I guess thats also just normal, like a sub 65kg rider destroying the big riders on the flats:

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[DONCA]

A motor could technically be deactivated by wheel or crank rotation through sensor logic.

Some of those system can read:

• wheel speed
• crank cadence
• rotation direction
• number of rotations
• torque/load

A controller can be programmed so that a specific rotation pattern acts like a hidden switch. For example:
1 wheel spin + no pedal load -> cut power to the motor controller or disengage the clutch

I imagine it wouldn’t be easy if you had a small motor in the bike. Especially when riding over cobbles and entering corners way too fast, but even when you’re no longer pedaling the motor keeps accelerating anyway andcausing the wheels to (over)spin and almost making you crash because of it. Must be a really hard job to control a bike like this and not overpacing in the corners.

But good that something like this didn´t happen to Tadej last year or this year. Wait....
didn´t he crashed out last year because of overpacing before a corner? Wait wasn´t he almost crashing also this year because he went to fast in that one corner 16,9km to go? His rear wheel was completely spinning out even though he wasn’t pedaling, and even after he braked, it started spinning like crazy out again seconds later.

Yes, wheels can still spin at high speed even after braking but spinning like this? Not losing speed after drifting and braking? I guess thats also just normal, like a sub 65kg rider destroying the big riders on the flats:

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[jotafap]

A motor could technically be deactivated by wheel or crank rotation through sensor logic.

Some of those system can read:

• wheel speed
• crank cadence
• rotation direction
• number of rotations
• torque/load

A controller can be programmed so that a specific rotation pattern acts like a hidden switch. For example:
1 wheel spin + no pedal load -> cut power to the motor controller or disengage the clutch

I imagine it wouldn’t be easy if you had a small motor in the bike. Especially when riding over cobbles and entering corners way too fast, but even when you’re no longer pedaling the motor keeps accelerating anyway andcausing the wheels to (over)spin and almost making you crash because of it. Must be a really hard job to control a bike like this and not overpacing in the corners.

But good that something like this didn´t happen to Tadej last year or this year. Wait....
didn´t he crashed out last year because of overpacing before a corner? Wait wasn´t he almost crashing also this year because he went to fast in that one corner 16,9km to go? His rear wheel was completely spinning out even though he wasn’t pedaling, and even after he braked, it started spinning like crazy out again seconds later.

Yes, wheels can still spin at high speed even after braking but spinning like this? Not losing speed after drifting and braking? I guess thats also just normal, like a sub 65kg rider destroying the big riders on the flats:

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Great theory! I didnt even notice before that Pogacar was the ONLY one almost crashing in PR, i thought it happened like 1020395892 times during the race.

 

[DONCA]

Great theory! I didnt even notice before that Pogacar was the ONLY one almost crashing in PR, i thought it happened like 1020395892 times during the race.

Great misunderstanding

We all know that are many crashes at PR.
I talk about that kind of crashes that pogacar had for example last year and almost this year.

second PR in a row where he is overpacing, can´t control his bike.
is he such a bad bike handler?
what is causing this problems that is loosing control of his bike?
look at the last video and tell me that this looks like a normal acceleration just after drifting and braking to avoid a crash.

and why does he spin his crank before the service car is picking up the bike? why he doesn´t do it when his car is pickin up his bike?

how is it possible that a sub 65kg like him can drop almost everyone on a flat course even without a lower ftp?

no one literally no one has any kind of explanations for this!

 

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