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[Parrulo]

i hope they send machado to the giro in case fugslang isn't 100% ready for it.

jakob back to riis next season?

 

[DominicDecoco]

i hope they send machado to the giro in case fugslang isn't 100% ready for it.

jakob back to riis next season?

He better bring in some WT points then.

 

[Parrulo]

He better bring in some WT points then.

well latest news say contador's points will count anyway so riis doesn't need to worry about those anymore.

jakob should have never left saxo, it was a silly mistake to the decision to leave based on personal feelings and not on what was best for his career.

and if he goes back to saxo he should take machado and oliveira with him

those 3 would make for a super strong team for contador on both the mountains and the TTT.

 

[Forunculo]

Jakob is overrated but yes it was a stupid decision following the Schlecks.

 

[Parrulo]

Jakob is overrated but yes it was a stupid decision following the Schlecks.

he isn't exactly overrated, no1 is saying he can win a GT but he can certainly top 10 and be a great domestique for some1 like contador.

 

[DominicDecoco]

well latest news say contador's points will count anyway so riis doesn't need to worry about those anymore.

jakob should have never left saxo, it was a silly mistake to the decision to leave based on personal feelings and not on what was best for his career.

and if he goes back to saxo he should take machado and oliveira with him

those 3 would make for a super strong team for contador on both the mountains and the TTT.

Nothing has been official about Berto's points. The only thing we've heard is a former CAS employee which stated that IF Bjarne took the case to CAS he would win it. And how long would i take to find a result? 10-20 years?

Also, I find it hard to see how going back being super domestique for Berto is 'better for his career', which was the main reason for leaving in the first place.

 

[Parrulo]

Nothing has been official about Berto's points. The only thing we've heard is a former CAS employee which stated that IF Bjarne took the case to CAS he would win it. And how long would i take to find a result? 10-20 years?

Also, I find it hard to see how going back being super domestique for Berto is 'better for his career', which was the main reason for leaving in the first place.

because contador is only 1 guy and fugslang would then be second in line at saxo. while at the shack he has the bros, horner and kloden ahead of him on most races

 

[theyoungest]

Also, I find it hard to see how going back being super domestique for Berto is 'better for his career', which was the main reason for leaving in the first place.

I don't see how the move to Leopard has helped his career? He's gotten progressively worse, except maybe in the TT.

 

[DominicDecoco]

I don't see how the move to Leopard has helped his career? He's gotten progressively worse, except maybe in the TT.

That's something different. But Jacob would never have been captain in the Giro for Saxo. In fact, he would probably have skipped it and riding Tour - which he once again would have been second in line for.

It's the same case for Matti. He thought Fabi was there to stay and he wanted to be the leader for the classics. Something he wouldn't be able to at Saxo. (well, he would but noone but Fabian knew that..)

They have definitely done worse after their moves but that has nothing to with it. The thing is; I undestand why Jakob left and the situation, if he's just going back to help Berto as Parrulo said, is the same as when he left. But if he is coming back to Saxo to be a leader and not only a domestique I'd find the move more reasonable.

 

[hoerpi]

I don't see Jakob in Saxo as long as Contador is there since he's a good friend with the Schlecks. No way that he'll be a domestique for Alberto. I can't see any of the old Saxo riders who left for Leopard as a domestique for Alberto.

 

[airstream]

i hope they send machado to the giro in case fugslang isn't 100% ready for it.

jakob back to riis next season?

Seems to me they will send Machado regardless how Fuglsang's recovery goes. ) Tiago for top-15?

 

[El Pistolero]

At the bottom of the result sheet.

 

[Parrulo]

Seems to me they will send Machado regardless how Fuglsang's recovery goes. ) Tiago for top-15?

atm he is scheduled to ride romandie and then the tour of california and not the giro.

At the bottom of the result sheet.

even tho he gets too much hype in here, it is undeniable that machado does have some talent.

 

[Forunculo]

Their goals were US races, cobbles classics and TdF.

Without Cance no classics.

US races without Levi as contender could be easy.

TdF depend of Andy.


JB was conservative at the start of the season knowing some of his riders don't deliver and he could be short.

Prepare for Becca

 

[Christian]

he isn't exactly overrated, no1 is saying he can win a GT but he can certainly top 10 and be a great domestique for some1 like contador.

So far he has shown no domestique qualities whatsoever ... I think he's done the Tour 3 times with the Schlecks, he was always supposed to be their last man standing in the mountains but he usually got dropped way before then. So they had to rely on Voigt and O'Grady. I'd choose guys like Zaugg or Rohregger any day over Fuglsang (as a domestique)

I don't see how the move to Leopard has helped his career? He's gotten progressively worse, except maybe in the TT.

Yes that is true but he did get his chance at the Vuelta and didn't grab it. Fuglsang was one of the riders who could have profitted the most from his move to LEOPARD TREK, but he didn't have the form to do it. Others like Monfort and Zaugg were able to use their chance.

People complained about the weak team LEOPARD TREK sent to the Giro but I believe it was the right decision not to send Fuglsang. With such a crazy hard parcours he would have been lucky to get a top-20. A pure climber like Zaugg would have gotten a better result IMO. Then Fuglsang got his chance at the Vuelta (much "easier") and wasn't able to use it ... that's life, but it's not the team's fault. Of course he had the Tour in the legs but so did Monfort and he even did a much better Tour.

IMO Fuglsang should stop focusing on GT's, both as a leader and a domestique, and start focusing on week-long stage races with a TT like Oman for example.

 

[airstream]

I think friendship with Andy affected on Fuglsang very negatively. They are training partners When he asserted himself in 2009 he had ambitions but then for no obvious reason he somehow abruptly reduced requirements for himself. And if Andy can afford any attitude to work, for Fuglsang such a global relaxation became the end of any personal aims.

 

[cineteq]

I think friendship with Andy affected on Fuglsang very negatively. They are training partners When he asserted himself in 2009 he had ambitions but then for no obvious reason he somehow abruptly reduced requirements for himself. And if Andy can afford any attitude to work, for Fuglsang such a global relaxation became the end of any personal aims.

I still have problem understanding you wording...you mean Jakob has been a bad influence to Andy?

 

[cineteq]

Obviously Bruyneel comments are tailored to the casual cycling fan.
Andy has fallen into the point of no return

Richard Wagenknecht: This year's TDF has emphasized time trialing over climbing. Obviously, riders like Cadel, Levi and Wiggins that excel at time trialing and climb well enough seem to be favored over pure climbers this year (such as Andy Schleck). Are you planning on attacking as much as possible in the mountians to give Andy a cushion over the TT riders or has Andy's time trialing improved enough that you think he can beat Cadel and others straight up in the TT?

Johan Bruyneel: Hi Richard. Yes, certainly time trailing will be a factor in this year's race. And we need to be honest with ourselves. As talented a rider as Andy is, time trailing is not his strength. The expectation is not to beat Cadel or any of the time-trialists in the TT. I think that would be unrealistic. So we'll need to maximize his strengths and work on limiting his losses. To do this, we'll need to implement an aggressive strategy. I think another thing that plays to our benefit is that we'll have an extremely strong support team. I don't know exactly who will make up the entire Tour team yet, but there's no doubt that it will be very, very strong.

http://www.johanbruyneel.com/news_articles/ask_jb_april_2012.html

 

[Cimber]

I undestand why Jakob left

Me too. I dont udnerstand why he moved to Leopard though.

I can't see any of the old Saxo riders who left for Leopard as a domestique for Alberto.

Anders Lund?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Anders Lund?

Indeed. Wanted to reply and mention him but I forgot.

Actually I think a lot of the ex-Leopard guys feel screwed over by the merger thingy and would be happy to change teams/go back to Riis.

 

[Christian]

Actually I think a lot of the ex-Leopard guys feel screwed over by the merger thingy and would be happy to change teams/go back to Riis.

+1 RSNT is not a real team anymore, just a random group of guys who happened to get screwed over by the same people

 

[thehog]

Indeed. Wanted to reply and mention him but I forgot.

Actually I think a lot of the ex-Leopard guys feel screwed over by the merger thingy and would be happy to change teams/go back to Riis.

The stupidity of this situation comes down to team and location. None of the supposed Tour team actually live anywhere near each other. Come July they would have spent about a week together in total. That’s what Fuslang is referring to. There’s the old Leopard who all live around Europe and then the US based riders who spend as much time as possible in the US. The Hog doesn’t help matters due to his inability to travel as freely as he once could and not being able to enter the US or Italy (although he did make it to Milan). Andy is in his own world training alone and having Lance drop by for his “specialist” coaching advice. Cancellara runs his own training camps and basically writes the tactics sheet. When your number 1 Tour rider has been hiding away since November to scared to speak to his fellow riders it doesn’t bode well. Compare and contrast this to Contador’s 2010 Astana. That was a team not built on pure talent but teamwork. There’s no unity in the team. Glad it’s not my money being burnt up.

 

[hoerpi]

Anders Lund?

True, forgot about him but people like Voigt, Fuglsang, Cancellara and O'grady seems to be too close to the Schlecks to ever ride for Contador. Klemme is the last man and I don't know enough about him to say anything.

 

[airstream]

+1 RSNT is not a real team anymore, just a random group of guys who happened to get screwed over by the same people

LaFlorecita, I'm afraid the strongest man they are ready to let go to SaxoBank is Linus Gerdemann for $3-5m. Agree?

I still have problem understanding you wording...you mean Jakob has been a bad influence to Andy?

oh sorry, i meant jacob got weaker because of hanging out with andy.

 

[LaFlorecita]

LaFlorecita, I'm afraid the strongest man they are ready to let go to SaxoBank is Linus Gerdemann for $3-5m. Agree?

Yeah indeed. Doesn't matter if half of the team wants out of that **** team, they'll force them to stay.

I hope Fabs and Jakob get the **** out of Radio**** at the end of the season. Doesn't matter where they go as long as it's not Failshack