Lidl-Trek (no longer Radioshack-Leopard Trek)

[taiwan]

Under 60kg!

What are the chances of Valverde coming back and winning the Tour?

 

[ferryman]

haha that's it. thanx fman.
I like Valverde and am awaiting some fireworks next season. This gave me a chuckle when I saw it.

No probs. Mind you, if any of those stats are correct he should maybe first thinking of strappping on a pair of gloves and calling out Pac-Man

 

[greenedge]

Andy does not have the work ethic of Basso and Contador. Tyler was as hard as nails.

However i expect Andy to try rip the TDF apart next year ( being under Bruyneels' guidance ). He shall probably fail but still will entertain us all.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Andy does not have the work ethic of Basso and Contador. Tyler was as hard as nails.

However i expect Andy to try rip the TDF apart next year ( being under Bruyneels' guidance ). He shall probably fail but still will entertain us all.

Cant wait to see Andy attack on the dowhills

 

[Wrecktangle]

I didn't know Andy was a smoker. Wouldn't surprise me. Loves the nightclubs.

I should have said "is lazy" for a pro cyclist. Sure he does the k's but nothing about him is smart. His tactics are woeful & I don't just mean race tactics. His attitude is all messed up and I'm not sure Bruyneel will get through to him. There will be resistance & sulking.

Well, if anyone can get the most out of young Andy, it will be JB. If nothing else, the tactics between the two brothers will sharpen up. When Conti said he feared the union of RadioShack & Leopard Trek becase of JB, I'm sure he knew of what he was saying.

I'm up for a massive 3-way fight since BMC has fangs now; let's hope the UCI, etc. delays until 2025...

 

[Cobblestoned]

Cant wait to see Andy attack on the dowhills

After having a short pee-stop with Boonen perhaps.

 

[Forunculo]

maybe stupid question but is there info of who can lead the team in the vuelta?

 

[BroDeal]

Andy does not have the work ethic of Basso and Contador. Tyler was as hard as nails.

However i expect Andy to try rip the TDF apart next year ( being under Bruyneels' guidance ). He shall probably fail but still will entertain us all.

Is the ASO going to change the route to include climbing where this is possible or do you just expect him to ride away on the flat?

 

[Parrulo]

thats a good question, tbh to get some sort of answer for that we need a list lol

list of possible GC guys on the team
andy
frank
fugslang
horner
kloden
monfort
zaug
zubeldia
machado

andy: peaking after the tour? i highly doubt it.
frank: i would say he will ride the vuelta trying to go for GC and preparing himself for the worlds and the GdL
fugslang: going for the giro so he can either go for the tour as a domestic or rest and ride the vuelta later
horner: should do the ToC as leader then the tour as a domestic and then maybe go for the rest of the us calendar( Utah, us pcc, colorado and maybe the candadian classics) . what do you guys think?
kloden: i would say he will ride both the tour and the vuelta, what his role will be at the vuelta i honestly don't know
monfort: classics then tour and since he did well at the vuelta last year he may want to ride it again.
zaug: will prolly ride the giro supporting fugslang and maybe also do the tour as a domestic? or save himself for vuelta and fall classics?
zubeldia: usually does the tour and the vuelta
machado: won't be doing the giro and the first half of his season will be all 1 week races, will either do the tour as a domestic or be left for the vuelta.

so they have plenty of guys to still make a very strong vuelta squad imo, we just don't know who will ride it

 

[Forunculo]

thats a good question, tbh to get some sort of answer for that we need a list lol

list of possible GC guys on the team
andy
frank
fugslang
horner
kloden
monfort
zaug
zubeldia
machado

andy: peaking after the tour? i highly doubt it.
frank: i would say he will ride the vuelta trying to go for GC and preparing himself for the worlds and the GdL
fugslang: going for the giro so he can either go for the tour as a domestic or rest and ride the vuelta later
horner: should do the ToC as leader then the tour as a domestic and then maybe go for the rest of the us calendar( Utah, us pcc, colorado and maybe the candadian classics) . what do you guys think?
kloden: i would say he will ride both the tour and the vuelta, what his role will be at the vuelta i honestly don't know
monfort: classics then tour and since he did well at the vuelta last year he may want to ride it again.
zaug: will prolly ride the giro supporting fugslang and maybe also do the tour as a domestic? or save himself for vuelta and fall classics?
zubeldia: usually does the tour and the vuelta
machado: won't be doing the giro and the first half of his season will be all 1 week races, will either do the tour as a domestic or be left for the vuelta.

so they have plenty of guys to still make a very strong vuelta squad imo, we just don't know who will ride it

Machado
Zubeldia
Monfort
Fugslang (if not TdF for him)

Maybe a comeback of his 4GC leaders of this Tour (a total failure)

But I mean Fugslang is not gonna win the Giro, Andy likely not the Tour, Cancellara in the classics again vs the rest and two or three superteams, and in the TT Tony Martin keeping his touch.

There is a potential picture of no important wins at the date of Vuelta, maybe some type of one-week with Kloden or Horner but not enough. Can Johan force Andy to do the Vuelta to save the season? Because Becca seems like Roman Abramovich sacking managers when the results don't coming. In this case going with riders for a top10 is dangerous


Their win at Lombardia was a miracle but they told the world that they are the best team and have to produce results. It's a double-edge.

 

[BroDeal]

I didn't know Andy was a smoker. Wouldn't surprise me. Loves the nightclubs.

I should have said "is lazy" for a pro cyclist. Sure he does the k's but nothing about him is smart. His tactics are woeful & I don't just mean race tactics. His attitude is all messed up and I'm not sure Bruyneel will get through to him. There will be resistance & sulking.

No problem, mon. Frank and Andy will ride the Tour together on this new Trek. They won't have to constantly watch out for each other.

 

[craig1985]

Admittedly I wasn't able to watch LBL on the count I was in Shanghai at the time but how did Gilbert manage to beat the Schlecks? You would think one would attack and the other would force Gilbert to do the work and when he brings back the other Schleck, the other one would go.

 

[Forunculo]

Admittedly I wasn't able to watch LBL on the count I was in Shanghai at the time but how did Gilbert manage to beat the Schlecks? You would think one would attack and the other would force Gilbert to do the work and when he brings back the other Schleck, the other one would go.

Erm, not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BizjxLt0Q2c
see by yourself

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Admittedly I wasn't able to watch LBL on the count I was in Shanghai at the time but how did Gilbert manage to beat the Schlecks? You would think one would attack and the other would force Gilbert to do the work and when he brings back the other Schleck, the other one would go.

That's what you'd think, and that's what all two teammates would do - let alone bothers - but in fact the only doing some attacking was Gilbert.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

It was Valverde:

"He trained as much as when he was riding competitively, even more," Movistar team doctor Jesus Hoyos, claimed when speaking with Spanish daily El Pais.

"This year, he rode 48.000 kilometers, more than during a normal season. And he weighs less than 60 kilos, less than when he rode his last Tour de France."

Valverde is also said to be doing 3000 sit-ups every day."

Sounds familiar - 'tis what (the late) FloJo said in 1986/87 was the reason for her super-human comeback...... later it was strongly rumoured that it was for reasons only to be discussed in "The Clinic".

Dead at 39, you gotta wonder

 

[Christian]

Isn't he, and a smoker as well?

I don't know where you got this from, but this rumour was once spread on this forum due to a misstranslation of a text from danish. That being said it wouldn't surprise me if he liked to smoke every once in a while

Admittedly I wasn't able to watch LBL on the count I was in Shanghai at the time but how did Gilbert manage to beat the Schlecks? You would think one would attack and the other would force Gilbert to do the work and when he brings back the other Schleck, the other one would go.

He was the strongest, he dropped Andy on côte de St. Nicolas with Fränk holding on for dear life.

As for the Riis comments - doesn't surprise me that he prefered Basso to Andy, I think Andy is the exact opposite of Riis that's probably part of the reason why they didn't get along anymore

 

[thehog]

Andy does not have the work ethic of Basso and Contador. Tyler was as hard as nails.

However i expect Andy to try rip the TDF apart next year ( being under Bruyneels' guidance ). He shall probably fail but still will entertain us all.

?? What does rip the Tour apart entail?

Bruyneel has always been a conservative DS. Never one to take risks with long solo attacks etc.

The old model was for one team to ride the peloton off their wheels then attack with 2-3km to go. Then in time trials consolidate the lead. No "ripping" in that approach.

A lot of the reason USPS struggled in one day races was they couldn't attempt the same method.

There will be no ripping. I suspect RadioLeopard will loose time in the opening week which they'll never get back.

 

[will10]

?? What does rip the Tour apart entail?

Bruyneel has always been a conservative DS. Never one to take risks with long solo attacks etc.

The old model was for one team to ride the peloton off their wheels then attack with 2-3km to go. Then in time trials consolidate the lead. No "ripping" in that approach.

A lot of the reason USPS struggled in one day races was they couldn't attempt the same method.

There will be no ripping. I suspect RadioLeopard will loose time in the opening week which they'll never get back.

2-3km to go? Lance usually went before then, on the first mountain stage at least.

 

[Arnout]

Sounds familiar - 'tis what (the late) FloJo said in 1986/87 was the reason for her super-human comeback...... later it was strongly rumoured that it was for reasons only to be discussed in "The Clinic".

Dead at 39, you gotta wonder

That's more than Kim-Jong-Il was capable of

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

That's more than Kim-Jong-Il was capable of

yea, but he is really good in golf

 

[thehog]

2-3km to go? Lance usually went before then, on the first mountain stage at least.

Never before 4km to go. Generally between 3-2km to go. Wtch.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Never before 4km to go. Generally between 3-2km to go. Wtch.

2000 Hautacam and 2001 Alpe??

Even 2003 Luz Ardiden

 

[jens_attacks]

2000 Hautacam and 2001 Alpe??

Even 2003 Luz Ardiden

he was just trolling

 

[thehog]

GreenEDGE veteran Robbie McEwen writes off Andy and Frnack Schleck as top five contenders for 2012 Tour de France


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...2-tour-de-france/story-e6frey6i-1226233193867

McEwen expects British rider Brad Wiggins and Spanish star Alberto Contador to prove the main rivals to Australia's defending champion Cadel Evans but doesn't include 2011 podium finishers Andy and Frank Schleck in his quintet.

A veteran of 12 Tour de France starts - and winner of 12 stages plus the sprinters' green jersey title in 2002, 2004 and 2006 - McEwen is an acknowledged student of cycling's biggest race.

While there are so many variables in the three-week Tour, McEwen agrees with the theory that the course chosen for 2012, with two lengthy individual time trials, provides too great a handicap for the brothers from Luxembourg.

 

[thehog]

2000 Hautacam and 2001 Alpe??

Even 2003 Luz Ardiden

Back to the original point rather than semantics; under Bruyneel the Shlecks are not going to rip the 2012 apart.