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Yep, though I don't want to extend my dislike for Fraudstrong and Bruyneel to the entire team, it's nice to see a "gutted" Astana team put the wood to them race after race after race.

There will be some good quality riders on the market as soon as July is over and the high-top van picks up the gents from their boy's night out in Paris and takes 'em back to the assisted living facility.
 

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excellent team tactics by Contador/Vino. Do you think the Spanish riders and Russian/Kazak teams are in cahoots?
 
Iker_Baqueiro said:
Now, this is great team spirit and vibe !!!
Congratulations Astana !!!

"eight of the nine riders who rode the Tour, have gone away. To another team. Even his roommate."

*“I would have long since looked in the mirror. I would never let that happen. Never. If I had to change myself to prevent it, then I would do that. If they needed more money, I would do it. I would do anything for them."
 

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Publicus said:
Still refuse to give AC credit....;)
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Excuse me, but why should Alberto take any credit for this Great Win by Vino?

C'mon, Alberto tried to win himself - I give him credit for that.

This time, however, Alberto and buddy Frank were reeled back in.
Vino would NOT end up like Kloden in the 2009 Tdf stage.

Very smart move by Vino to counterattack before Alberto could attack again.
 
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KazakhNeRider said:

Thanks for those links. And nice to read words that sound genuine, rather than carefully picked to spin the public image.

It is starting to look like there is room for 2 champs on the team of a #1 after all. Egos permitting.

If they get through July well, I am really starting to wonder if we will see Contador moving at the end of the year. I don't think Contador wanted to stay at the end of last year, fearing a rerun of the "there is no I in Livestrong" fiasco. But the way this is panning out, it is looking as if Contador is starting to enjoy this squad a lot. I expect Vino to be wise enough to know when to party, and when it's Contador's turn to party.

They will hit the end of this season without the entire future of the squad in doubt, so getting folk to sign up would be a hell of a lot easier too. And it looks like that pool of homeless riders could include some very strong Spanish engines.

I think Contador is the sort of rider who likes stability, and just getting on with it. I would not be surprised if the dream of his own team will play second fiddle to strengthening a successful team that he is happy in.

Right now, only Vino can spoil it. And I think he is too clever for that. He knows that Contador is a team leader who doesn't challenge the ownership of "his" team, happily lets him play in the park when Vino wants to and it is less of a priority for Contador, has an ego that can make way for Vino to shine on his own. And who, I think, will even make more possible for Vino to win a stage in a GT they do together too, rather than less likely. Win-win, as they say.
 
Can I please complain to ASO now for not inviting Vacansoleil?
Why did they invite Androni again? Only 2 riders finished the race, the best man being Bertagnolli in uhm 32th place or something.

I would love to see what Hoogerland, Marcato and Leukemans could have done here. :mad: Certainly more than Bertagnolli or Jerome Baugnies (best topsport vlaanderen guy)

ASO fails once again
 
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Francois the Postman said:
Thanks for those links. And nice to read words that sound genuine, rather than carefully picked to spin the public image.

It is starting to look like there is room for 2 champs on the team of a #1 after all. Egos permitting.

If they get through July well, I am really starting to wonder if we will see Contador moving at the end of the year. I don't think Contador wanted to stay at the end of last year, fearing a rerun of the "there is no I in Livestrong" fiasco. But the way this is panning out, it is looking as if Contador is starting to enjoy this squad a lot. I expect Vino to be wise enough to know when to party, and when it's Contador's turn to party.

They will hit the end of this season without the entire future of the squad in doubt, so getting folk to sign up would be a hell of a lot easier too. And it looks like that pool of homeless riders could include some very strong Spanish engines.

I think Contador is the sort of rider who likes stability, and just getting on with it. I would not be surprised if the dream of his own team will play second fiddle to strengthening a successful team that he is happy in.

Right now, only Vino can spoil it. And I think he is too clever for that. He knows that Contador is a team leader who doesn't challenge the ownership of "his" team, happily lets him play in the park when Vino wants to and it is less of a priority for Contador, has an ego that can make way for Vino to shine on his own. And who, I think, will even make more possible for Vino to win a stage in a GT they do together too, rather than less likely. Win-win, as they say.
+1! was thinking the same way
 
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Dekker, agreed - really don't get ASO's attitude re: Vacansoleil. Can only assume they didn't want to give them false expectations. Would still give BMC the boot - Evans may have morphed into a one day winner but the rest of the team?

Francois, that's looking to be the case isn't it? Astana have had a great start to the season, winning week long tours and Classics (and let's not forget AC's podium at Fleche) - such a smart move by AC/Astana to let Vino go away to contest the win. Seems like AC will do something meaningful for his teammates rather than simply buy their loyalty.
 
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Francois the Postman said:
Thanks for those links. And nice to read words that sound genuine, rather than carefully picked to spin the public image.

It is starting to look like there is room for 2 champs on the team of a #1 after all. Egos permitting.

If they get through July well, I am really starting to wonder if we will see Contador moving at the end of the year. I don't think Contador wanted to stay at the end of last year, fearing a rerun of the "there is no I in Livestrong" fiasco. But the way this is panning out, it is looking as if Contador is starting to enjoy this squad a lot. I expect Vino to be wise enough to know when to party, and when it's Contador's turn to party.

They will hit the end of this season without the entire future of the squad in doubt, so getting folk to sign up would be a hell of a lot easier too. And it looks like that pool of homeless riders could include some very strong Spanish engines.

I think Contador is the sort of rider who likes stability, and just getting on with it. I would not be surprised if the dream of his own team will play second fiddle to strengthening a successful team that he is happy in.

Right now, only Vino can spoil it. And I think he is too clever for that. He knows that Contador is a team leader who doesn't challenge the ownership of "his" team, happily lets him play in the park when Vino wants to and it is less of a priority for Contador, has an ego that can make way for Vino to shine on his own. And who, I think, will even make more possible for Vino to win a stage in a GT they do together too, rather than less likely. Win-win, as they say.
all you had to say was that vino is not a narcissistic dijk from tejas. other than that, you're on the money.
 
Polish said:
Excuse me, but why should Alberto take any credit for this Great Win by Vino?

C'mon, Alberto tried to win himself - I give him credit for that.

This time, however, Alberto and buddy Frank were reeled back in.
Vino would NOT end up like Kloden in the 2009 Tdf stage.

Very smart move by Vino to counterattack before Alberto could attack again.

You mentioned all the work by Iglinsky, but failed to acknowledge that AC rode for Vino today. Or were you too busy polishing Lance's knob to notice? :rolleyes:

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It was the result of the team work and I’m very happy”, he continued. “We had talked before the start we played with two options, mine went through attack at St. Nicholas or the Roche aux Faucons. There I started a little late, I got go with Andy Schleck, but we have been taken and when Vino is gone, I tried to make the maximum braking, especially with the Schleck brothers and Joaquim Rodriguez”.

“I’ve seen that Vino was very strong and had very touched listening how they cheered him on the radio. When I heard that he has won, I’ve been very happy”, he said. Contador also congratulated the team for their work. “We have been very compenetrated. We had two good chances of winning and when Vino goes ahead it was clear to me: I had to do what Saxo Bank did with Andy Schleck last year. The result was perfect”.

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Stupid recorder only taped the first hour today for some reason so had to read the report and the last 60 pages for the play-by-play review. Thanks as always for this. Astana are having a great season for a weak team:rolleyes:. If they win the Tour, they will really blow away the whole Postal/Shack myth on focusing on one race.
 
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python said:
all you had to say was that vino is not a narcissistic dijk from tejas. other than that, you're on the money.

I don't think people have to be nice people to be great cyclists, and Armstrong does what Armstrong had to do to win those 7 Tours (and not much more than that). To be frank, if someone needs to be an arse to have a shot at their goal, and they do it champion-style, and the team and organisers swallow it whole, and they succeed with it... more power to him.

It is only when people fall for the personality myth around it, that something starts to grind with me.

I get why some people like Lance the winner. And for those that think winning trumps all (encountered more in the US than in Europe, but not exclusively so), fair enough.

But, like you I expect, before I really warm to a cyclist, they need to bring something more to the table than on the bike success, and right now Contador is like a breath of fresh air with his attitude to the whole sport, on and off the bike. He's not alone, but as a winner who is en course for a spot amongst the legends of old, he stands out.

As long as people's idolizing matches up vaguely with reality, I'm quite tolerant. Cadel fans I can handle with ease. Rabo fans get a free pass as they all know they are backing a slightly better version of the Zimbabwean bob-sleigh team to start with. But with Lance the public perception is warp years removed from the guy I judge him to be.

So, in a way, I am delighted that Armstrong decided to come back when all he could do was make a lot of money (which leaves me stone cold) and lose the polish on a carefully crafted image (which delights me no end). And boy are the wheels coming of the wagon.

And it is my luck that Contador, right now, actually behaves like Lance always proclaimed he did - a regular guy who rides it for the sake of cycling, is gracious, good-natured and giving. And who would rather be out of the global spotlight off the bike and hang out with his own instead. Highlighting the falseness of the Lance myth, and the actual effort that goes into the management of the fabrication. And thanks to Lance not knowing when to shut up: skewering it.

I bet PR team Lance would have loved to come up with the road trip to the race video. That would have been spun into a whole chapter in the next book, and be made available as a ready-to-broadcast feature for news outlets world-wide, a feature film if Hollywood was paying attention, especially if Team Lance came out trumps in the races at the end of it. Instead we get one that is so natural that no-one has even thought to put subtitles for it. Chances are it will only ever be seen by those that roam these type of fora.

I'm starting to see 2010 as a new beginning on a whole series of levels. And I am liking what I am seeing. The end of the circus and the return of cycling for cycling sake, and riding for riding sake. The stories don't need to be fabricated. Cycling left alone is the best of stories that don't need any spinning, that's why we are all into it.

But I have no beef with Lance as a git, as a rider, narcissistic or not. Part of his story I also admire. If he needs to create these epic hate and grudge battles to engage, go for it.

It is the people that can't see it for what it is, and can't see the man behind the mask, turning him into the Mother Theresa of cycling... well, then my glands start to play up. Against a certain type of "fans". Not the rider.
 
Francois the Postman said:
Thanks for those links. And nice to read words that sound genuine, rather than carefully picked to spin the public image.

It is starting to look like there is room for 2 champs on the team of a #1 after all. Egos permitting.

If they get through July well, I am really starting to wonder if we will see Contador moving at the end of the year. I don't think Contador wanted to stay at the end of last year, fearing a rerun of the "there is no I in Livestrong" fiasco. But the way this is panning out, it is looking as if Contador is starting to enjoy this squad a lot. I expect Vino to be wise enough to know when to party, and when it's Contador's turn to party.

They will hit the end of this season without the entire future of the squad in doubt, so getting folk to sign up would be a hell of a lot easier too. And it looks like that pool of homeless riders could include some very strong Spanish engines.

I think Contador is the sort of rider who likes stability, and just getting on with it. I would not be surprised if the dream of his own team will play second fiddle to strengthening a successful team that he is happy in.

Right now, only Vino can spoil it. And I think he is too clever for that. He knows that Contador is a team leader who doesn't challenge the ownership of "his" team, happily lets him play in the park when Vino wants to and it is less of a priority for Contador, has an ego that can make way for Vino to shine on his own. And who, I think, will even make more possible for Vino to win a stage in a GT they do together too, rather than less likely. Win-win, as they say.

Well said! And well done Astana!
 
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Publicus said:
You mentioned all the work by Iglinsky, but failed to acknowledge that AC rode for Vino today. Or were you too busy polishing Lance's knob to notice? :rolleyes:

The schlecks were saying the AC was stuggling on the last climb.
 

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Francois the Postman said:
I don't think people have to be nice people to be great cyclists, and Armstrong does what Armstrong had to do to win those 7 Tours (and not much more than that). To be frank, if someone needs to be an arse to have a shot at their goal, and they do it champion-style, and the team and organisers swallow it whole, and they succeed with it... more power to him.

It is only when people fall for the personality myth around it, that something starts to grind with me.

I get why some people like Lance the winner. And for those that think winning trumps all (encountered more in the US than in Europe, but not exclusively so), fair enough.

But, like you I expect, before I really warm to a cyclist, they need to bring something more to the table than on the bike success, and right now Contador is like a breath of fresh air with his attitude to the whole sport, on and off the bike. He's not alone, but as a winner who is en course for a spot amongst the legends of old, he stands out.

As long as people's idolizing matches up vaguely with reality, I'm quite tolerant. Cadel fans I can handle with ease. Rabo fans get a free pass as they all know they are backing a slightly better version of the Zimbabwean bob-sleigh team to start with. But with Lance the public perception is warp years removed from the guy I judge him to be.

So, in a way, I am delighted that Armstrong decided to come back when all he could do was make a lot of money (which leaves me stone cold) and lose the polish on a carefully crafted image (which delights me no end). And boy are the wheels coming of the wagon.

And it is my luck that Contador, right now, actually behaves like Lance always proclaimed he did - a regular guy who rides it for the sake of cycling, is gracious, good-natured and giving. And who would rather be out of the global spotlight off the bike and hang out with his own instead. Highlighting the falseness of the Lance myth, and the actual effort that goes into the management of the fabrication. And thanks to Lance not knowing when to shut up: skewering it.

I bet PR team Lance would have loved to come up with the road trip to the race video. That would have been spun into a whole chapter in the next book, and be made available as a ready-to-broadcast feature for news outlets world-wide, a feature film if Hollywood was paying attention, especially if Team Lance came out trumps in the races at the end of it. Instead we get one that is so natural that no-one has even thought to put subtitles for it. Chances are it will only ever be seen by those that roam these type of fora.

I'm starting to see 2010 as a new beginning on a whole series of levels. And I am liking what I am seeing. The end of the circus and the return of cycling for cycling sake, and riding for riding sake. The stories don't need to be fabricated. Cycling left alone is the best of stories that don't need any spinning, that's why we are all into it.

But I have no beef with Lance as a git, as a rider, narcissistic or not. Part of his story I also admire. If he needs to create these epic hate and grudge battles to engage, go for it.

It is the people that can't see it for what it is, and can't see the man behind the mask, turning him into the Mother Theresa of cycling... well, then my glands start to play up. Against a certain type of "fans". Not the rider.

Nice Francois,

You really understand the beauty of the sport of cycling. I am happy you ride a bike!