Luis Leon Sanchez - what on Earth has happened???

[theyoungest]

Luis Leon Sanchez is doing so bad at Rabo because he was on a Spanish team before. Spanish teams are known for doping and they all do it. He went to a Dutch team this year and we all know Dutch teams are clean because they're so ethical and tolerant in the Netherlands. They're a country with high ethical values and the whole world should follow their example. And I said all of this without giggling once.

Yes, he should have gone to Lotto. Where the team doctor is being interrogated by CONI as we speak

 

[El Pistolero]

Yes, he should have gone to Lotto. Where the team doctor is being interrogated by CONI as we speak

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gidsland

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poldermodel

I'm sorry, I like to make fun of invented traditions.

 

[Mambo95]

Ryo has a point though. In all the years that I've followed cycling on the side there were quite a few riders that performed clearly worse at Rabo than at the team they came from or the team they went too.

Proof that Rabo is a clean team ofcourse ;P

T-Mobile used to be the same - Savoldelli, Botero, Julich, Evans to name just a few.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The same Lotto where José de Cauwer once worked? A guy known for teaching U23 riders and even juniors how to dope themselves, even telling JvdB what to take when he was a junior.

And no, I didn't make it up, just literally repeating what a Belgian guy said to me, an ex-cyclist himself who rode with Jvdb in the youth categories. He despises José de Cauwer especially for it. Says he can't listen to De Cauwer on TV talking about doping when he was one of the worst influences himself

 

[Arnout]

Luis Leon Sanchez is doing so bad at Rabo because he was on a Spanish team before. Spanish teams are known for doping and they all do it. He went to a Dutch team this year and we all know Dutch teams are clean because they're so ethical and tolerant in the Netherlands. They're a country with high ethical values and the whole world should follow their example. And I said all of this without giggling once.

Can't this guy be banned? Its the worst trolling attempt in known history.

And not the first one either.

 

[theyoungest]

The same Lotto where José de Cauwer once worked? A guy known for teaching U23 riders and even juniors how to dope themselves, even telling JvdB what to take when he was a junior.

And no, I didn't make it up, just literally repeating what a Belgian guy said to me, an ex-cyclist himself who rode with Jvdb in the youth categories. He despises José de Cauwer especially for it. Says he can't listen to De Cauwer on TV talking about doping when he was one of the worst influences himself

Noooooo not De Cauwer! Are there any good guys left in this world?

Anyway, if you heard this from some anonymous guy on a cycling forum, it's like a fart in the wind.

 

[El Pistolero]

Relax bro, it was just a joke with stereotypes from the clinic.

 

[El Pistolero]

Noooooo not De Cauwer! Are there any good guys left in this world?

Anyway, if you heard this from some anonymous guy on a cycling forum, it's like a fart in the wind.

Sarcasm? De Cauwer was involved in doping ring. Everybody knows that in Belgium.

 

[Lanark]

Noooooo not De Cauwer! Are there any good guys left in this world?

Anyway, if you heard this from some anonymous guy on a cycling forum, it's like a fart in the wind.

De Cauwer is a pretty much proven drugs dealer, that's why he had to quit his job as coach of the Belgian team.

 

[Duartista]

Give Sanchez some time. It often takes riders a while to adapt to a new team. Look at how poorly some of Sky's signings rode last year for example (Gerrans, Froome) compared to how they've been going this year.

 

[theyoungest]

De Cauwer is a pretty much proven drugs dealer, that's why he had to quit his job as coach of the Belgian team.

I was being sarcastic. Although the part about De Cauwer teaching VDB how to dope, that's kind of a cheap shot.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Noooooo not De Cauwer! Are there any good guys left in this world?

Anyway, if you heard this from some anonymous guy on a cycling forum, it's like a fart in the wind.

but that's the thing, he is not an anonymous guy, i know his real name and real history on the bike.

and is it that suprising de cauwer is a dope tard? not really. not from the time he is coming from. Like the Belgian guys above me said. He is known to be involved

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I was being sarcastic. Although the part about De Cauwer teaching VDB how to dope, that's kind of a cheap shot.

the thing is it really happened, when jvdb was a junior. this is why de cauwer shouldn't talk about dopers and doping because he was one of the worst influences himself.

I also know of some Belgians who don't like JvdB because they don't trust him and think he is doping. He has some kind of arrogant air. Like the annoyed responses against the press last year. Reminds me of T.Dekker

 

[dlwssonic]

I think he is not used to the change of team or maybe he just doesnt fit in rabo. I think he should have stayed in movistar this year as there is no valverde and he will have a free role.

 

[Angliru]

Give Sanchez some time. It often takes riders a while to adapt to a new team. Look at how poorly some of Sky's signings rode last year for example (Gerrans, Froome) compared to how they've been going this year.

Agreed. I'm confident he'll adapt and start bringing results similar to his Caisse d'Epargne years. He's too talented a rider not to. Plus he didn't move because he actually wanted to. He signed with Rabobank when it appeared that there was no hope for new sponsor to take over at Caisse d'Epargne. I recall his saying that he wished he had waited longer to see if a sponsor would materialize.

 

[Spine Concept]

Agreed. I'm confident he'll adapt and start bringing results similar to his Caisse d'Epargne years. He's too talented a rider not to. Plus he didn't move because he actually wanted to. He signed with Rabobank when it appeared that there was no hope for new sponsor to take over at Caisse d'Epargne. I recall his saying that he wished he had waited longer to see if a sponsor would materialize.

Why did he sign with Rabo in particular then? Were there no other offers? I'd expect so seeing as he is indeed a talented rider with a good palmares. Anyway, if he is indeed a talented rider that fact shouldn't be a reason not to perform though.

 

[Angliru]

Why did he sign with Rabo in particular then? Were there no other offers? I'd expect so seeing as he is indeed a talented rider with a good palmares. Anyway, if he is indeed a talented rider that fact shouldn't be a reason not to perform though.

They likely made the best offer. I don't know the details, but with the scarcity of Spanish teams at the WT level, maybe he signed with the one that he knew the most riders. Even the most talented riders go through periods of not meeting their's and their team's expectations. The season isn't over yet so we'll see how he performs.

 

[theyoungest]

Agreed. I'm confident he'll adapt and start bringing results similar to his Caisse d'Epargne years. He's too talented a rider not to. Plus he didn't move because he actually wanted to. He signed with Rabobank when it appeared that there was no hope for new sponsor to take over at Caisse d'Epargne. I recall his saying that he wished he had waited longer to see if a sponsor would materialize.

No, in August he said he'd wait if they'd find a new sponsor, and then he'd decide about moving. Which of course was only to help Unzue avoid the impression that riders were leaving the sinking ship, because he'd already signed for Rabo by then.

 

[Spine Concept]

They likely made the best offer. I don't know the details, but with the scarcity of Spanish teams at the WT level, maybe he signed with the one that he knew the most riders. Even the most talented riders go through periods of not meeting their's and their team's expectations. The season isn't over yet so we'll see how he performs.

I agree that even the most talented riders can go through an underwhelming period in their career. However, what I was saying is that a - change of - team in particular shouldn't be used as an excuse for under performing. He is still a talented rider no matter where he goes, it's all psychological in my opinion.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

the guy's that did top 5's and 10s in gt's before they went to rabo

rabo is legendary for attratcing riders that underperform as soon as they go, niki abersold, peter luttenberger, geert verheyen, beat zberg, levi leipheimer, nick nuyens, robert hunter, robbie mcewen, man there's no end to it

did rabo ever have aspirations for garate other then domestique work; no. Don't be ignorant. He has done ok considering.

As for Ardilla his attitude is/was the problem. It was like he didn't care.

Proof that Rabo is a clean team ofcourse ;P

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As for LLS, I think he is a little overrated as a rider.
But better then what he has shown thus far. Maybe he will adapt, we'll see...

 

[movingtarget]

Ryo Hazuki is an avid Rabobank hater and has a slightly colored view.

LL Sanchez fail is because he is mentally very up and down, even at Caisse they already knew about that problem but it seems to get worse at Rabobank. Different enviroment, most speak English and LL Sanchez' English is still horrible so he can't really communicate except with the spanish riders and Gesink (who learned spanish).

Freire and Flecha have done okay outside Spanish teams. Maybe Sanchez will leave Rabobank ? Maybe too much was expected of him ?

 

[El Pistolero]

Freire and Flecha don't really need a lot of team support anyway.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Freire and Flecha have done okay outside Spanish teams. Maybe Sanchez will leave Rabobank ? Maybe too much was expected of him ?

Has one more year after this, it will depend how he goes I guess.

 

[Spine Concept]

As for LLS, I think he is a little overrated as a rider.
But better then what he has shown thus far. Maybe he will adapt, we'll see...

I hope he adapts sooner rather than later. I can understand the need to adjust, however, he cannot hide behind that excuse forever.
What role was he assigned for the tour anyway? I'm not too confident that he'd work for Gesink. He's an unpredictable character, maybe not the best Rabo signing in that regard.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Freire and Flecha don't really need a lot of team support anyway.

certainly not Friere, he was/is an exceptional talent.

Rabo always had a strong cobbles team tho. Maybe lacked a real winner, but there were riders who could hold their own.