Marco Pantani -10 years since his death (pictures of his career)

[TourOfSardinia]

Seems like the finding of Pantani's autopsy got shredded and so they are more likely to resume the body...

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/03-...ni-distrutti-procura-rimini-90933896312.shtml

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The emergency call nurses that arrived at death scene at Pantani's swear on oath that there was no sign of cocaine.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/16-...palla-cocaina-vicina-corpo-901056755014.shtml

 

[Microchip]

The emergency call nurses that arrived at death scene at Pantani's swear on oath that there was no sign of cocaine.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/16-...palla-cocaina-vicina-corpo-901056755014.shtml

His death seems more and more suspicious each day.

 

[Aoidos]

Anyone know when the pantani film "accidental death of a cyclist" is out???

I watched this documentary on an airplane back in August. Even though I was a big cycling fan back in the 1990s, it had a lot of new (to me) information about Pantani's youth and life.

From what I remember, the documentary made the strong case that Pantani was a natural talent. I believe that he went home and was on the verge of quitting cycling after some incident with his first pro (senior?) team. I think that doping was implied. At that point, I thought to myself, he should of just turned his back on cycling and become factory worker or something. It's a shame that talented kids like Pantani had nowhere to turn but to the doping machine.

The part about Pantani's serious injuries was quite moving. I forgot how bad his injuries were. He displayed mental resilience back in the mid-90s by training hard to get back into shape and into the game.

As I recall, they also argue that Pantani was upsetting the gangsters who made the books on Giro gambling. Pantani's lead in the 99 Giro was too big, or the bookies expected someone else to win, or something like that. Regardless, powerful people didn't want him to win so he was iced before the final stage.

I highly recommend the documentary to all cycling fans.

 

[Benotti69]

Pantani is being used by many people in this situation to earn a few bucks. Sad.

 

[del1962]

Andrea Rossini thinks that the murder theory is very weak

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/new-book-debunks-suggestions-that-pantani-was-murdered

Rossini is a crime reporter for the the local Corriere Romagna newspaper in Rimini, where Pantani's body was discovered in the Le Rose Residence. He followed the investigation of Pantani death and subsequent trial of his drug dealers closely and is convinced that Pantani died of a self-inflicted overdose. Matt Rendell, the author of arguably the definitive Pantani biography, is translating Rossini's book into English.

 

[Granville57]

Andrea Rossini thinks that the murder theory is very weak

Rendell has made it quite clear that he feels the whole murder conspiracy is a complete joke.

On more than one occasion prior to his death, Pantani could've easily died due to substance abuse. It was, sadly, only a matter of time.

 

[Microchip]

Put it in the wrong thread

Police who investigated Pantani death open legal proceedings over recent claims

...a "deluge" of accusations...taking "every conceivable form"...

 

[The_Juan]

From what I remember, the documentary made the strong case that Pantani was a natural talent.

If that's the case then that's science fiction.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.corriereromagna.it/news/rimini/8770/-Tanta-coca--ma-da.html

Not murder, could have been suicide.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Marco Pantani -10 years since his death (pictures of his

'Maffia liet Pantani stoppen tijdens Giro van 1999'

http://nos.nl/artikel/2059728-maffia-liet-pantani-stoppen-tijdens-giro-van-1999.html

and some people thought cycling and organised crime dont mix.......

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Re:

Rendell has made it quite clear that he feels the whole murder conspiracy is a complete joke....

Which has precious little to do with whether the Italian authorities will pursue it con gusto.


Italian Prosecutor Calls for Manslaughter Charges in Ayrton Senna's Death

 

[Benotti69]

http://road.cc/content/news/182651-prosecutors-say-camorra-did-fix1999-giro-ditalia-so-marco-pantani-would-lose

"The Camorra organised crime syndicate had a blood sample from the late Marco Pantani switched to have him ejected from the 1999 Giro d’Italia and head off potentially huge gambling losses.

That’s the finding of an investigation into the case by a public prosecutor reported in the Italian media today, although no criminal charges can be brought against any persons involved due to a statute of limitations."

 

[dolophonic]

Re:

http://road.cc/content/news/182651-prosecutors-say-camorra-did-fix1999-giro-ditalia-so-marco-pantani-would-lose

"The Camorra organised crime syndicate had a blood sample from the late Marco Pantani switched to have him ejected from the 1999 Giro d’Italia and head off potentially huge gambling losses.

That’s the finding of an investigation into the case by a public prosecutor reported in the Italian media today, although no criminal charges can be brought against any persons involved due to a statute of limitations."

Damn .. that is pretty convincing.. That would also be enough to send someone over the edge .

Marco was one of my favourite riders ... still is.

 

[staubsauger]

Gotti knows why he succors Mercatone Uno's demand to award Pantani the 99 Giro himself! ....

 

[SafeBet]

I don't believe these camorra theories. There wasn't much betting on cycling back then (or on any other sport actually).
Auro Bulbarelli said he wanted to bet 50k lire (25 euros approx) on Savoldelli for Milano Sanremo at 40/1. And they wouldn't let him do it, maximum allowed bet was 20k lire.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

I don't believe these camorra theories. There wasn't much betting on cycling back then (or on any other sport actually).
Auro Bulbarelli said he wanted to bet 50k lire (25 euros approx) on Savoldelli for Milano Sanremo at 40/1. And they wouldn't let him do it, maximum allowed bet was 20k lire.

Depends who the camorra were placing the bet with?

A legal enterprise or an illegal enterprise.

Plenty of illegal boxing matches in the world where big bets are placed amongst the criminal communities.

Match fixing in cricket was rampant in the 80s and 90s

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/540683.html

No reason it was not possible in other sports. Money talks.

 

[Spawn of e]

Whew, what a relief! Now he can take his place beside Lemond as the only clean GT winners evar.

 

[SafeBet]

Sure it had to be an illegal thing. But I still doubt there could be so much money at stake.

 

[Maxiton]

Maybe there was betting money at stake. Or maybe that's the cover story. Maybe the real money in this was a payoff . . . .

 

[rhubroma]

While I don't have time to translate and analyse la Gazzetta's article (but also one in la Repubblica), I have to say CN does a pretty poor job in relating its content. And the rather pathetic commentary by some posters at the bottom of the piece about the "Italian dietrologia" is tinged with a British snobbery that doesn't bear consideration, if not to say shameful racism. It demonstrates not only an ignorance of Italian society, its ways and contradictions, but a repugnant arrogance.

This isn't "dietrologia," but gotten from the confessions and phone taps of important Camorra members.

What must be considered is that in the Naples area, the illegal betting racket on sport is huge business, particularly when it comes to football. In fact matches have been thrown as a result. Pantani's popularity was bringing Italian cycling during the 99 Giro to a level comparable to football, for which when the sums went unexpectedly through the roof the Camorra was about to loose billions of old lire. The revelations of Renato Vallanzasco and Rosario Tolomelli, the two mafiosi which said Pantani ("Il pelatino," the little bald one) was conspired against as a result, "appear to be credible" according to the Procura di Forlì. This is the crux of it.

The presumed blood manipulation of course has nothing to do with being clean, just getting the hematocrit level above the infamous 50%.

One wonders why it took the Italian investigation so long to arrive at the Camorra. Ahh, here is where dietrologia might bear relevance.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

While I don't have time to translate and analyse la Gazzetta's article (but also one in la Repubblica), I have to say CN does a pretty poor job in relating its content. And the rather pathetic commentary by some posters at the bottom of the piece about the "Italian dietrologia" is tinged with a British snobbery that doesn't bear consideration, if not to say shameful racism. It demonstrates not only an ignorance of Italian society, its ways and contradictions, but a repugnant arrogance.

This isn't "dietrologia," but gotten from the confessions and phone taps of important Camorra members.

What must be considered is that in the Naples area, the illegal betting racket on sport is huge business, particularly when it comes to football. In fact matches have been thrown as a result. Pantani's popularity was bringing Italian cycling during the 99 Giro to a level comparable to football, for which when the sums went unexpectedly through the roof the Camorra was about to loose billions of old lire. The revelations of Renato Vallanzasco and Rosario Tolomelli, the two mafiosi which said Pantani ("Il pelatino," the little bald one) was conspired agains as a result, "appear to be credible" according to the Procura di Forlì. This is the crux of it.

The presumed blood manipulation of course has nothing to do with being clean, just getting the hematocrit level above the infamous 50%.

One wonders why it took the Italian investigation so long to arrive at the Camorra. Ahh, here is where dietrologia might bear relevance.

this story just seems a tad farfetched like the stuff Wade puts up on CyclingTips, which is mostly clickbait dross.

now, it may well be legit. Gimme Roberto Saviano on this, and I will gladly defer to authority

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

While I don't have time to translate and analyse la Gazzetta's article (but also one in la Repubblica), I have to say CN does a pretty poor job in relating its content. And the rather pathetic commentary by some posters at the bottom of the piece about the "Italian dietrologia" is tinged with a British snobbery that doesn't bear consideration, if not to say shameful racism. It demonstrates not only an ignorance of Italian society, its ways and contradictions, but a repugnant arrogance.

This isn't "dietrologia," but gotten from the confessions and phone taps of important Camorra members.

What must be considered is that in the Naples area, the illegal betting racket on sport is huge business, particularly when it comes to football. In fact matches have been thrown as a result. Pantani's popularity was bringing Italian cycling during the 99 Giro to a level comparable to football, for which when the sums went unexpectedly through the roof the Camorra was about to loose billions of old lire. The revelations of Renato Vallanzasco and Rosario Tolomelli, the two mafiosi which said Pantani ("Il pelatino," the little bald one) was conspired agains as a result, "appear to be credible" according to the Procura di Forlì. This is the crux of it.

The presumed blood manipulation of course has nothing to do with being clean, just getting the hematocrit level above the infamous 50%.

One wonders why it took the Italian investigation so long to arrive at the Camorra. Ahh, here is where dietrologia might bear relevance.

this story just seems a tad farfetched like the stuff Wade puts up on CyclingTips, which is mostly clickbait dross.

now, it may well be legit. Gimme Roberto Saviano on this, and I will gladly defer to authority

Well there should be other reports from which to get a better picture. I'm confused though about the statute of limitations, as I thought that didn't aply to mafiosi. But then who are you to judge what's far fetched and not? We're in a country that has huge problems with organized crime, as your Saviano would tell. Do you know what cycling in the Naples area is like? Do you know what the Camorra's role is in the traficing of doping products, particularly in this era? I know an ex-continental pro from the area in question, whose brother finished quite badly over the traficing of doping products.

Then you have Avrei voluto essere Pantani by Davide Tassi at theatre which leads to other questions. At any rate Pantani's mom, while not unbiased, has for the first time praised the Forlì investigators. I'll gladly admit to gulibility though if this is all just bs.

 

[rhubroma]

Having read the dailies' latest reports, I've concluded that it's useless to draw conclusions. Consequently, I shall refrain from doing so. I'll even concede there are elements that justly foster skepticism. The investigation would need to clarify several issues, but it doesn't seem this will come about.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re: Marco Pantani -10 years since his death (pictures of his

The part that always intrigued me about the 1999 Giro is why would Pantani pump up his blood above 50 while he was winning it with 5 minutes plus. On the last day. He was riding against riders who he could crumble while being on 45 htc. So there is a big no for me.

Next thing about that 1999 Giro is the blood dilluting tests - remember crybaby Andrea Tafi - where Pantani was one of the major anti - persons of it. Of course they were dilluting their blood, everyone did, bar the one clean rider [ oh, lets not forget Squinzi made Mapei ride clean that year, the results versus the 1998 Giro were indeed telling ] in the peloton. How come exactly the leader of the race forgot to dillute his blood in time?

Next thing - and perhaps the most telling - is the arrival of Hein Verbruggen on the morning of the positive test in Madonna.

All things are there for a great conspiracy.

Was Pantani a doper? Of course he was.

Was he set up? I tend to think so. And, given the frail mental state of the little bald one, some have blood on their hands.