Matt White stands down from all positions

[hrotha]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...oping-fence-to-come-clean-20121014-27kxo.html

We need to hear from Stuart O'Grady, Simon Gerrans, Allan Davis

Heh, what do you expect to hear from Allan Operación Puerto Davis?

 

[msjett]

Heh, what do you expect to hear from Allan Operación Puerto Davis?

I personally don't expect anything. I just thought those lines from the article echoed the sentiment of some of the other posters on this forum on the Australian riders saying nothing about the **** storm that has just occurred.

 

[blaxland]

Now that Matt white has fallen on his sword.Lets hope Rodgers and Davis come out and tell all.Otherwise the publics opinion on those two will be tainted for ever.(the longer they wait,the worse the reaction will be.)

 

[PACONi]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cadel-...e-tyler-hamilton/story-fnaqgujp-1226495552945

From the article :

"I think you have to question some of the results of the past. I don't think you have to question Cadel Evans' result from last year's Tour de France," Hamilton said.

"From what I've heard about Cadel Evans, he's a true champion.

"He's always been a big anti-doping advocate.

"I can't say anything negative about Cadel Evans. I've a lot of respect for Cadel Evans."

I can't recall ever hearing Cadel being a 'big anti-doping advocate'. Can anyone else?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nah let's just wait a month and see if anything else *cough* crops up. And establish the facts as they pertain to the case, and once we have established those facts, we can act appropriately.

What's happening in a month?

Duh.

Reasoned decision response from UCI is going to take 3 weeks. If we release our Matt White decision in a month, it's hopefully going to be "wait and see' coz UCI are contesting the decision, or lots of LA noise and we can slip something in quiet like. You know. Ala 2003 positive dope test at Tour Down Under.

 

[JRanton]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cadel-...e-tyler-hamilton/story-fnaqgujp-1226495552945

From the article :

"I think you have to question some of the results of the past. I don't think you have to question Cadel Evans' result from last year's Tour de France," Hamilton said.

"From what I've heard about Cadel Evans, he's a true champion.

"He's always been a big anti-doping advocate.

"I can't say anything negative about Cadel Evans. I've a lot of respect for Cadel Evans."

I can't recall ever hearing Cadel being a 'big anti-doping advocate'. Can anyone else?

Certainly news to me!

Remember this from the final press conference after his Tour win?

The 2009 world champion is, according to some observers, the winner of the cleanest Tour for years, the scourge of doping having tarnished the sport's biggest race on many occasions.

But Evans ducked the question of doping at the race winner's press conference.

Asked how much he thought the efforts to clean up the sport have enabled him to triumph, Evans said: "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

http://www.espnstar.com/other-sports/news/detail/item646156/Cadel-Evans-wins-Tour-de-France/

 

[sairyder]

Where what?

Ok - all that stuff was broadcast in the interview with the Four corners journalist this morning on ABC news 24 - it was in the hour 8am - 9 at the time ai was posting so around 8 30am - you should be able to access it at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/australian-legend-witnessed-armstrong-bribe/4312558

Here

 

[PACONi]

What I don't get is why Hamilton would make the comment. He was on Rihs' team at Phonak, so he knows what that can be like. Given that, why would he assume that Evans is clean? How could he possibly know?

And, as previously stated, when has Cadel made strong and consistent statements for clean cycling?

 

[sairyder]

LOVE THIS:

With White gone, at least for the short term, further excavation through Australian cycling ranks should be demanded. The excavators should be independent given those who have held jobs through an era of denial can hardly be expected to probe when possibly needing to make confessions themselves.
Neither Orica-GreenEDGE, nor Cycling Australia, can afford to wait for another Australian name to surface through someone else's account. Anyone guarding secrets needs to come clean now. All others must talk openly about what they have really thought and known about doping, rather than treating it like a no-go zone or - worse - rolling their eyes and branding it a media obsession, as many have done for years.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...-come-clean-20121014-27l0j.html#ixzz29KBq993a

 

[sittingbison]

link for that?

it was on the tv yesterday. I think SBS has video on its website of recent programs.

Generic, but try this:
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/

Tan actually came over very strong and blunt. Which is a laugh because its the first time ever he hasn't been a sycophant. It would be nice for him to do a Rupert Guiness style piece on his own shortcomings as a journalist for the past ten years.

 

[hrotha]

What I don't get is why Hamilton would make the comment. He was on Rihs' team at Phonak, so he knows what that can be like. Given that, why would he assume that Evans is clean? How could he possibly know?

And, as previously stated, when has Cadel made strong and consistent statements for clean cycling?

In his book, Hamilton certainly makes it sound like Rihs had no idea what he was up to.

Still, I don't know why Tyler would make that statement. He can't possibly know what Evans has been up to the last 5 or 6 years. Unless Evans was widely recognized as clean in the peloton when he was still there? That sounds far-fetched, and I imagine Tyler would have mentioned it if that was the case.

 

[sittingbison]

For those wondering about defamation, libel and slander laws in Australia - and why investigative journalists sometimes stuggle to bluntly portray opinion backed only with circumstantial evidence, here is a classic example:

White, who is the husband and former coach of Australian Olympic bronze medallist and three-time Commonwealth Games gold medallist Jane Saville, stood down as chief sports director of Australia's professional road cycling team, Orica-GreenEDGE, on Saturday night...The Herald is not suggesting any link between Saville's athletic achievements and White's confession that he was involved in a doping program while he raced with Armstrong on the US Postal Service team from 2001-2003

Of course there is no need to mention Saville at all if they are not insinuating a connection. This seemingly sly behaviour is also why journos are sometime held in contempt.

 

[sairyder]

Have your say - go straight to the top:

Kate Lundy Australian Minister for Sport


Please contact me at any of the following:
Phone: 61-2-6230 0411
Fax: 61-2-6230 0413

Email: Senator.Lundy@aph.gov.au

Street & postal address:
Law Society Building
11 London Circuit
Canberra ACT 2601

 

[Dear Wiggo]

For those wondering about defamation, libel and slander laws in Australia - and why investigative journalists sometimes stuggle to bluntly portray opinion backed only with circumstantial evidence, here is a classic example:



Of course there is no need to mention Saville at all if they are not insinuating a connection. This seemingly sly behaviour is also why journos are sometime held in contempt.

Sneaky Charlie, sneaky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCCkfjPm0o

 

[blackcat]

In his book, Hamilton certainly makes it sound like Rihs had no idea what he was up to.

Still, I don't know why Tyler would make that statement. He can't possibly know what Evans has been up to the last 5 or 6 years. Unless Evans was widely recognized as clean in the peloton when he was still there? That sounds far-fetched, and I imagine Tyler would have mentioned it if that was the case.

have to agree with this
and in other posts the prognostic on Tan

 

[msjett]

In his book, Hamilton certainly makes it sound like Rihs had no idea what he was up to.

Still, I don't know why Tyler would make that statement. He can't possibly know what Evans has been up to the last 5 or 6 years. Unless Evans was widely recognized as clean in the peloton when he was still there? That sounds far-fetched, and I imagine Tyler would have mentioned it if that was the case.

What reason would Hamilton have to comment about Evans win and not Wiggins? Those comments of his raise a lot more questions in my mind.

 

[MattCla]

If the Dutch want to lay claim to him they can have him.

Why the vitriol about Pat Jonker? It’s easy to take pot-shots at anyone's credibility over the internet. What shred of proof is there that he has done anything wrong? The guy was a class-act when I 'raced' against him as a junior. He slaughtered everyone (seniors included) over any distance. Given enough free-reign, his 12th in the Tour (which was before joining Pharmstrong) is believable without doping. I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt until any credible evidence says otherwise.

That said, I ask myself what I would have done if I found myself in the position of some of these junior riders. It’s easy to take the moral high ground. Some made bad choices when they probably though they didn't really have one. If anyone, the 'responsible' managers, senior riders and UCI (in particular) should be smashed.

 

[Ferminal]

More backpedalling here than the autobus up Angliru

At least Mueller has played it smart, managed to get out first so that he's portrayed as a good guy.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Why the vitriol about Pat Jonker? It’s easy to take pot-shots at anyone's credibility over the internet. What shred of proof is there that he has done anything wrong? The guy was a class-act when I 'raced' against him as a junior. He slaughtered everyone (seniors included) over any distance. Given enough free-reign, his 12th in the Tour (which was before joining Pharmstrong) is believable without doping. I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt until any credible evidence says otherwise.

That said, I ask myself what I would have done if I found myself in the position of some of these junior riders. It’s easy to take the moral high ground. Some made bad choices when they probably though they didn't really have one. If anyone, the 'responsible' managers, senior riders and UCI (in particular) should be smashed.

And I know riders who were awesome who came back after 1 year in Europe and didn't race again, disillusioned. They chose not to dope.

Personal responsibility trumps all in my book.

If Jonker was training with a doped up LA in the mountains day in day out, he's either doped enough to keep up, or stronger than LA.

 

[sairyder]

it was on the tv yesterday. I think SBS has video on its website of recent programs.

Generic, but try this:
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/

Tan actually came over very strong and blunt. Which is a laugh because its the first time ever he hasn't been a sycophant. It would be nice for him to do a Rupert Guiness style piece on his own shortcomings as a journalist for the past ten years.

Got it. Tan comes out swinging - thats a turnaround.
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/2290900011/cycling-central-tv-october-14

 

[Lones1]

What reason would Hamilton have to comment about Evans win and not Wiggins? Those comments of his raise a lot more questions in my mind.

The interviewer specifically asked about Cadel, Wiggins was not mentioned in the question.

 

[PCutter]

What reason would Hamilton have to comment about Evans win and not Wiggins? Those comments of his raise a lot more questions in my mind.

Because it was an Australian interview, so they asked about "Australia's" winner. The Today show could give two hoots whether Wiggins cheated.

 

[blackcat]

jonker has been spruiking Armstrong talking points in the last 6 months, he deserves scorn

 

[msjett]

Because it was an Australian interview, so they asked about "Australia's" winner. The Today show could give two hoots whether Wiggins cheated.

I saw it in the newspaper not on tv, so didn't know it was those top notch journos at the Today show asking the questions.

 

[sairyder]

Just got this reply from my email to ASADA sent over the weekend:

14 October 2012
MEDIA STATEMENT
ASADA is aware of the media statement issued by Matthew White regarding his doping activities while a member of the US Postal Service team.
The confession of doping by Mr White is indeed a serious matter. The action of peer pressure to force any athlete to dope is abhorrent, but does not excuse the choice made by an individual athlete to participate in a team strategy that sets out to deceive the sport and its fans.
ASADA pursues every case of doping as is its obligation under the World Anti-Doping Code and its legislation. In 2010 ASADA became aware of allegations of doping made against Mr White by the American cyclist Floyd Landis. Due to the Federal investigation in the United States and subsequent United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) investigation ASADA was unable to obtain information to pursue a thorough investigation.
Due to the extensive nature of the USADA report and the latest admission by Mr White, ASADA will be seeking further information from USADA and Cycling Australia as the relevant national sporting organisation. This may take some time, but ASADA has a duty to be both thorough and accurate in its investigation.
Until this process is completed ASADA will refrain from making any further comments.