Matt White stands down from all positions

[sairyder]

Current leading story on ABCNews24 - this thing is huge - this is a dam breaker (omertà breaker) for Australian cycling. I agree with the above comment better to talk about what you know/have done now or risk getting outed.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

I doubt that we will see many voluntary confessions from the guilty who have not been named. I wonder if this will make those who have been named a little more forthcoming.

Agreed, but Jonker annoys me, gets into the media a bit here is Australia, was a strong Armstrong defender. How did he finish 12th in the 1996 Tour (got a little bit of time from being in a breakaway but would have been top 20 anyway) without doping?

 

[movingtarget]

Matt White admits to doping.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/orica-greenedge-directer-matt-white-linked-to-lance-armstrong-drug-scandal/story-e6frfglf-1226494871368

Oh well, another job vacancy opens up.

 

[sniper]

Current leading story on ABCNews24 - this thing is huge - this is a dam breaker (omertà breaker) for Australian cycling. I agree with the above comment better to talk about what you know/have done now or risk getting outed.

i like the idea of this being a dam breaker.
but let's not eat the steak before the cow's been butchered.
(or how is that proverb again?)

anyway, remarkable how Matt couldn't see this coming.
why didn't he confess a few weeks earlier?

 

[Cloxxki]

He was outed by name in the Landis appendicies, so being outed as 'Rider-9' in forums was no additional information, other than forumites reading the appendicies and putting it into his affidavit details.

Fair enough. He still opted to wait until he had aobsolutely no choice. No medals rewarded for this. Lucked out he wasn't already hanging by a harsh action from his home ADA. Coward. And let's hope he gets a life time ban kicking him under the behind as he leaves through the door.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Current leading story on ABCNews24 - this thing is huge - this is a dam breaker (omertà breaker) for Australian cycling. I agree with the above comment better to talk about what you know/have done now or risk getting outed.

It was the lead story of ABC radio news before he admitted just that he was named. I think White is going to get absolutely slaughtered by the media here is Australia. A media who will not understand the context of the situation and just see a Aussie who cheated.

 

[Cloxxki]

Patrick Jonker was on USPS as well, doubt he will confess though.

Denial is strong in Dutch blood.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Denial is strong in Dutch blood.

If the Dutch want to lay claim to him they can have him.

 

[PCutter]

He's only 'stepped down' from his roles while investigations are undertaken. He'll lose his roles as CA and keep his role at OGE (assuming he's close enough with Ryan, which I presume he is since he set up the team).

 

[sairyder]

i like the idea of this being a dam breaker.
but let's not eat the steak before the cow's been butchered.
(or how is that proverb again?)

anyway, remarkable how Matt couldn't see this coming.
why didn't he confess a few weeks earlier?

He didn't come out earlier because he is a link in a whole dodgy whitewash of doping in Australian cycling - systematic covering up involving people across all the organisations - even ASADA couldn't act on it.

One link gets weak and pressure builds up everywhere else. I think we should order a new graphic from dimspace this time covering the links in Australian cycling associations, AOC, ASADA, cycling business -

My bet is you would find the same set up as the Armstrong American cycling mess - everybody interconnected, everybody compromised.

 

[The Gnome]

Is he out for good or is this another case of will sit on sidelines after an apology and then get brought back?

I know this view is unpopular but in my opinion anyone who is caught up, admits, is found out ect should just be out for good...riders, staff...whatever...is that brutal? Is it even abit unfair...yes...sure it is...but if you want to sort the problems then get brutal...

We treat these athletes with kid gloves...in any other job in the world you would be gone for good...let's say a company has a problem with embezzlement...folks coming forward after a big investigation admit they were stealing large amounts of money for a decade or so..."hey, everyone was doing it..." they now believe in a no theft policy and have been following it for a few years...do you think they would keep their jobs? people lose jobs and livelihoods everyday, and most time for reasons that have nothing to do with their own faults...and then you hear folks saying it would be "vengeful" to not let Leipheimer start at Paris-Nice in a few months...BS...

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

So Mueller wants White in jail then? Or an amnesty?

 

[PCutter]

On the upside, it shouldn't take too long to adjust his results for this period

 

[ProfTournesol]

Is he out for good or is this another case of will sit on sidelines after an apology and then get brought back?

I know this view is unpopular but in my opinion anyone who is caught up, admits, is found out ect should just be out for good...riders, staff...whatever...is that brutal? Is it even abit unfair...yes...sure it is...but if you want to sort the problems then get brutal...

We treat these athletes with kid gloves...in any other job in the world you would be gone for good...let's say a company has a problem with embezzlement...folks coming forward after a big investigation admit they were stealing large amounts of money for a decade or so..."hey, everyone was doing it..." they now believe in a no theft policy and have been following it for a few years...do you think they would keep their jobs? people lose jobs and livelihoods everyday, and most time for reasons that have nothing to do with their own faults...and then you hear folks saying it would be "vengeful" to not let Leipheimer start at Paris-Nice in a few months...BS...

I certainly have some sympathy for your view. I just worry that we would also be throwing out much good with the bad. I also think that we need to keep a larger perspective, the fish rots from the head first - the risk is that White, Vaughters, Riis etc etc (and it will be many of them) will go and those who allowed the corruption to flourish will not be brought to account. Do we sack Liggett and sherwin for years of supine 'journalism?' They also weren't doig their jobs properly.

 

[sairyder]

"Top story on ABC news. The cyclist has been stood down by his team Orica GreenEdge"

they appear to have changed their intro to indicate he had no choice -strange

 

[sairyder]

I certainly have some sympathy for your view. I just worry that we would also be throwing out much good with the bad. I also think that we need to keep a larger perspective, the fish rots from the head first - the risk is that White, Vaughters, Riis etc etc (and it will be many of them) will go and those who allowed the corruption to flourish will not be brought to account. Do we sack Liggett and sherwin for years of supine 'journalism?' They also weren't doig their jobs properly.

I think this is too big for that -

I think all the journalists that have been sitting on their hands for 15 years will be making amends by getting to the bottom of this at every level.

I don't think anyone will be out of bounds now . Look what just happened. Matt White obviously was a big deal in Australian cycling and has clearly been protected for some time - now just like that outed.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"Top story on ABC news. The cyclist has been stood down by his team Orica GreenEdge"

they appear to have changed their intro to indicate he had no choice -strange

When someone wants you gone, you often get given the choice to "resign". I think that's how it may have been first portrayed.

At a guess, the team needs to be shown to take a strong anti-doping stance to ensure future sponsorship, etc. Just don't look too far in the past at the del Moral episode with Trent Lowe, I guess.

The irony for me is that the sponsor, Orica, are one of the most polluting and disgusting companies around, leaching mercury into waterways and many other chemical pollutants at will. Revolting.

 

[Cloxxki]

If the Dutch want to lay claim to him they can have him.

We tried when he got fast, didn't work.

 

[rata de sentina]

At least he is apologiseing to the clean riders of his era.I haven't heard that from many.

Yeah because one of the most despicable justifications is "everyone was doing it" which is just bollox on multiple levels. There was a guy on talkback radio the other day who said he didn't take up a pro contract because he didn't want to dope and yet guys who he used to thrash went on to "success'.

 

[thehog]

Any word from Aussie hero Cadel?

Surely he's standing up for clean cycling?

 

[glassmoon]

yeah, more new clean era BS... "clean era my A$$"

 

[urban attacker]

Is it now 12 former riders that bring lance down

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Any word from Aussie hero Cadel?

Surely he's standing up for clean cycling?

crickets chirping.

saddening indictment.

 

[veganrob]

i like the idea of this being a dam breaker.
but let's not eat the steak before the cow's been butchered.
(or how is that proverb again?)

anyway, remarkable how Matt couldn't see this coming.
why didn't he confess a few weeks earlier?

It was
Lets not eat the tomatos before they are ripe.

Or wait till they are rotten so we can pelt the guilty parties publicly with them.


Or lets not put the cart before the donkey.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It was
Lets not eat the tomatos before they are ripe.

Or wait till they are rotten so we can pelt the guilty parties publicly with them.


Or lets not put the cart before the donkey.

Too many donkeys before the thoroughbreds. :-/