• The Cycling News forum is still looking to add volunteer moderators with. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Teams & Riders Matteo Jorgenson has now outclassed his peers from the Chambery-system

Page 17 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
It’s time to start reckoning with this Jorgensen thing. His stock is way up at the moment. What happens next cannot be determined
This stock is up and his instincts are solid. He went to the wheel 3 times yesterday and did one jump too many just losing to Roglic at the line and today he got the gap and rode at a way way high pace, he knew he had something that Gee didn't, Rodriguez was a great guy to work with, Jorgenson finds himself in good position for a win or good result. Just has a sense not to waste energy. And his tactic was only a near miss, 8 seconds and Roglic would have had a terrible nightmare come true.. Again!!
 
If Kuss starts a bit slow, Jorgenson may have to pull Vingegaard on Galibier if the latter will be in trouble there. If he's needed there, he could make a real difference. I think roles will be different in the last week, by then Kuss will have had time enough to be the last man.

But more unknowns this year than usual!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Krzysztof_O
If Kuss starts a bit slow, Jorgenson may have to pull Vingegaard on Galibier if the latter will be in trouble there. If he's needed there, he could make a real difference. I think roles will be different in the last week, by then Kuss will have had time enough to be the last man.

But more unknowns this year than usual!

It's true, Jorgenson is a powerhouse that can give Vingo a strong pull on moderately steep Galibier climb (if Vingo can't defend himself against Teddy's early attacks). Whatever his role is (Vingo's super-dom or GC podium candidate) it will be very important for the team anyway.
 
If Kuss starts a bit slow, Jorgenson may have to pull Vingegaard on Galibier if the latter will be in trouble there. If he's needed there, he could make a real difference. I think roles will be different in the last week, by then Kuss will have had time enough to be the last man.

But more unknowns this year than usual!
Logical plan but it could end up reversing in the last half. Kuss dropped out of the Dauphine a day before Matteo came 8 seconds away from winning. Sepp was training as was Matteo, Remco and a few others. Matteo's ready for the Tour after a rest and his team better make it an easier first half for him; he deserves all of that for saving their season. The reality is he will need to stay in the mix in the mountains to be effective for any role. Kuss being the first domestique is the obvious way to go unless, for some twist of opportunity he's allowed to gain alot of time. That can happen if he's allowed to go away in a non-threatening moment and Matteo is with the major players. JV could hope that will happen.
So far there is no information to suggest Jonas is in the picture. Plan your fancrush accordingly.
 
This stock is up and his instincts are solid. He went to the wheel 3 times yesterday and did one jump too many just losing to Roglic at the line and today he got the gap and rode at a way way high pace, he knew he had something that Gee didn't, Rodriguez was a great guy to work with, Jorgenson finds himself in good position for a win or good result. Just has a sense not to waste energy. And his tactic was only a near miss, 8 seconds and Roglic would have had a terrible nightmare come true.. Again!!

I read this as insects at first glance, for some reason.

It will be interesting to see if Visma can use either him or Vingegaard as bait to try and break Pogačar during the Tour. The UAE team will most likely be stronger than it was in 2022 though, so it could just as well be Visma that end up in trouble this time around.
 
I read this as insects at first glance, for some reason.

It will be interesting to see if Visma can use either him or Vingegaard as bait to try and break Pogačar during the Tour. The UAE team will most likely be stronger than it was in 2022 though, so it could just as well be Visma that end up in trouble this time around.
I definitely see the bait scenario, was Kuss and now it's Matteo. He has all the qualities that demand respect and if he rolls away most teams will have him marked as a move to cover. And Visma is doing a great job with the surprise party w Jonas Vingegaard, nobody knows what is in the box until the TDF and these last opportunities like Tour d Swiss are over without Visma showing their hand. Other teams putting it out there.. Don't know for sure but would say that a semi wrecked Remco was a confidence boost for other teams, and Roglic looking very human. Don't see any riders generating the wattage of Pogacar currently.. No telling if Ayuso out means road rash or something more serious but UAE looking pretty good. Don't think Jogenson will mind being towed around by them
 
I definitely see the bait scenario, was Kuss and now it's Matteo. He has all the qualities that demand respect and if he rolls away most teams will have him marked as a move to cover. And Visma is doing a great job with the surprise party w Jonas Vingegaard, nobody knows what is in the box until the TDF and these last opportunities like Tour d Swiss are over without Visma showing their hand. Other teams putting it out there.. Don't know for sure but would say that a semi wrecked Remco was a confidence boost for other teams, and Roglic looking very human. Don't see any riders generating the wattage of Pogacar currently.. No telling if Ayuso out means road rash or something more serious but UAE looking pretty good. Don't think Jogenson will mind being towed around by them
Yates looked today too—although we’ll get more info from upcoming climbs at Suisse—and ready to be Pog’s super-dom. And I think this year if Kuss or Jorgenson try to get in a break (like at Vuelta) UAE will be sure to have Yates or Ayuso go with them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SHAD0W93
I feel differently about Sepp Kuss, if I was a director maybe go with him, get towed, demand Capt Colorado act like last year instead of this year!! Don't see him dancing on the pedals this year. Right now he is still a moth and maybe in @3 weeks he is a beautiful butterfly again. Sad, but I would not send a decent guy to cover him. Sadly same w Gee, feel like the flash in the pan has flashed!! Love to be wrong. And that's the real troubling tell for Roglic, think Jorgenson is a little deeper, better rider, but Roglic rockin on keeping Gee's wheel is not great.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
Top 3 improved riders from last year surely? Great rider he has becomed lets see if jumbo have fixed his GT struggles.
His GT "struggles" came from not having much of a team in Movistar. He free-lanced almost all of his efforts and results. Coming to JV was a very smart thing to do...as long as management doesn't get tangled up in some ridiculous strategic/PR blunder with Jonas and Wout. Like a '23 Vuelta where none of their riders podium.
He's earned some protection and it would be a shame to waste a year.
 
Doesn't seem to have the mindset of a champion, unfortunately. Or at least not yet.
Being conservatively realistic in the press shows no weakness; just strategic sense. What mindset did he possess when he schooled folks at PN and was in the fight to the end; second by 8 seconds at Dauphine?
He's also at the mercy of JV's PRspeak about Jonas' and Wout's return. They don't seem to speak much about his chances which could either be a well-planned, stealthy way to divert pressure from him or just business as usual.
This Tour is going to be informative on so many levels and it will start on Stage 1. Arriba!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
His GT "struggles" came from not having much of a team in Movistar. He free-lanced almost all of his efforts and results. Coming to JV was a very smart thing to do...as long as management doesn't get tangled up in some ridiculous strategic/PR blunder with Jonas and Wout. Like a '23 Vuelta where none of their riders podium.
He's earned some protection and it would be a shame to waste a year.
Wholeheartedly agree. Dont think he has earned that over Jonas as of now but I agree on the part going to jumbo was a right move/better manegement why I also believe he will not struggle as much in GT going forward.
 
Well the Kuss development more clarifies the JV picture. It doesn't help Matteo as Kuss would've been a great ally to get to the podium. Unfortunately his race may go up in smoke during the early stages if he's tasked to shepard Jonas around. UAE will go for the knockout very quickly with the current situation.
If he does well it'll be validation on his last season's successes when Movistar had no one near him.