McQuaid: 2010 Giro blood tests show cycling is cleaner

[goober]

No, McQuaid can't have it both ways. He can't say that a steady decrease in hemoglobin over a three week race is evidence there is less doping, and then say an increase or steady state of hemoglobin over a three week race is evidence of nothing.

We all know he won't actually comment on the question. The point is, he's just not very good at this whole spin thing.

I don't recall him saying an increase or steady-state of hemoglobin is evidence of nothing. Actually, I do recall in an interview him stating is possibly indicates the use of transfusion. But that is a possible indication and nothing the UCI should comment on specific to a rider as again I will state that is not their charter to speculate. And FYI McQuaid does not review the passport - he runs the organization. He is not spinning, he is doing the legally correct thing not to expose a rider without failed drug test - that is how it works. Got it? Probably not...

 

[Kennf1]

I don't recall him saying an increase or steady-state of hemoglobin is evidence of nothing. Actually, I do recall in an interview him stating is possibly indicates the use of transfusion. But that is a possible indication and nothing the UCI should comment on specific to a rider as again I will state that is not their charter to speculate. And FYI McQuaid does not review the passport - he runs the organization. He is not spinning, he is doing the legally correct thing not to expose a rider without failed drug test - that is how it works. Got it? Probably not...

You're right, spinning is probably the wrong word. I should have used "selling." I don't expect him to intentionally accuse a rider of doping based on blood values- duh, that's OUR job. But the point you're missing is that the President of the UCI has come out and basically said that we should see a decline in these values over the course of a race, and an increase is indicative of transfusion. He has unknowingly thrown Armstrong (and probably a hundred other Tour riders) under the bus with that comment, without even knowing it. Do you really not see the irony here?

 

[Ferminal]

I actually believe the spud on this occasion. The Giro seemed to have less people pumping plasma.

But I did get a laugh when he admitted that Lance could have doped in the 2009 Tour.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Pat even has the Public Strategies talking points down, pretending that this is somehow Landis/Lemond against Armstrong.

Do you have to be paid by public strategies to suspect Lemond has a role in Landis' sudden conversion and the lawyers he has chosen? And wonder how a bankrupt man can pay for these lawyers?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

My quote is taken out of context; but, I fully understand why it could be taken that way. I was referring to speculation or accusation around testing towards a positive doping result. Yes, UCI makes many accusations in the opposite direction like in the Landis or Manzano situations, etc. Maybe not the best PR the way they approach it; but, this is not what their charter is - testing athletes for positive dope results (positive test results have to say it again).

You sure on that:
Valverde was not sanctioned by the UCI until last week yet in September 2009 McQuaid said:

However the Irishman, who was elected for a new four-year term on Friday, said: "We've always stated that blood bag number 18 (from Operation Puerto) belonged to Valverde. "But I don't want to give my personal opinion on the matter." Valverde, ironically, will start Sunday's race with bib number 18.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Do you have to be paid by public strategies to suspect Lemond has a role in Landis' sudden conversion and the lawyers he has chosen? And wonder how a bankrupt man can pay for these lawyers?

Actually BPC - you would be the best person to answer your own question.

 

[peloton]

Actually BPC - you would be the best person to answer your own question.

+1

Wonder how well BPC gets paid, sure seems like a profitable job....

 

[Anonymous]

poor lance isnt very happy

@lancearmstrong
Anyone else getting sick and tired of this bull****? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5271000
about 5 hours ago via web

 

[thehog]

poor lance isnt very happy

@lancearmstrong
Anyone else getting sick and tired of this bull****? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5271000
about 5 hours ago via web

Do you think he's alright? I'm actually starting to worry about him. He's really going to lose it at some point. Maybe he might punch Bono? or at least give him a Chinese Burn or maybe even a 3 Stooges Curly between the eyes?

What's he p1ssed off about? The fact they want to test him in the lead up to the Tour because that's when he's going to vampire draw? Go AFLD and go ESPN for printing the story on a US website.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Do you think he's alright? I'm actually starting to worry about him. He's really going to lose it at some point. Maybe he might punch Bono? or at least give him a Chinese Burn or maybe even a 3 Stooges Curly between the eyes?

What's he p1ssed off about? The fact they want to test him in the lead up to the Tour because that's when he's going to vampire draw? Go AFLD and go ESPN for printing the story on a US website.

But didn't public strategies carefully craft the twitter post for him? He's probably never posted a twitter message himself. A team of highly paid PR people control his twitter account. Don't they?

 

[Hillavoider]

poor lance isnt very happy

@lancearmstrong
Anyone else getting sick and tired of this bull****? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5271000
about 5 hours ago via web

GOOOOOOAL

Lance is feeling the pressure, this tour will be very interesting, there is a kind of feeling in the air that everyone has had enough of LA. He must be kicking himself evey night that he made a come back.

 

[Beech Mtn]

poor lance isnt very happy

@lancearmstrong
Anyone else getting sick and tired of this bull****? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5271000
about 5 hours ago via web

What's he trying to do by giving the link, get all his 2 million twitter followers to go over to ESPN's website and overload it with evil comments? He surely doesn't want to drive traffic to a media outlet with an article that makes him look less than perfect.

But nevertheless, what a good idea to demonstrate for Novitzky how he bullies those that don't toe the party line. Good timing.

 

[thehog]

But nevertheless, what a good idea to demonstrate for Novitzky how he bullies those that don't toe the party line. Good timing.

People don't get it. They should be talking about how to make money out of cancer in Africa. Not about this stupid doping stuff. I mean everyone was doing it right?

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

What's he trying to do by giving the link, get all his 2 million twitter followers to go over to ESPN's website and overload it with evil comments? He surely doesn't want to drive traffic to a media outlet with an article that makes him look less than perfect.

But nevertheless, what a good idea to demonstrate for Novitzky how he bullies those that don't toe the party line. Good timing.

A lot of people will read the article and feel Pierre Bordry is throwing his weight around and is like one of those bitter cops who never managed to get the mafia boss.

Personally it does seem over the top that Bordry wants to do special extra tests. You have to admit there is a lot of politics between these two organisations that does smell of bullsh*t at times. They give us this tom and jerry show every year.

 

[Anonymous]

A lot of people will read the article and feel Pierre Bordry is throwing his weight around and is like one of those bitter cops who never managed to get the mafia boss.

Personally it does seem over the top that Bordry wants to do special extra tests. You have to admit there is a lot of politics between these two organisations that does smell of bullsh*t at times. They give us this tom and jerry show every year.

I think bordry is saying what the rest of us think.. that the bio passport is bs and that all the tests in the tour shouldnt be done by the governing body of cycling.

 

[MacRoadie]

A lot of people will read the article and feel Pierre Bordry is throwing his weight around and is like one of those bitter cops who never managed to get the mafia boss.

What an interesting analogy you choose to draw.

So, Bordry is the blue collar policeman, bitter that he can't do his job. Bitter that he can't protect and serve and uphold the oath he took to keep crime scum and their prostitution, vice, murder and drug peddling off the street.

Armstrong is the mafia boss, the individual ultimately responsible for all that the policeman and the laws he swore to uphold stand against.

OK, I'll buy it. Thanks

 

[flicker]

Bodry, big talk no action. Sorry Lance haters troll on that windbag all you want. Bodry is no Harvey Keitel.

 

[CPAvelo]

GOOOOOOAL

Lance is feeling the pressure, this tour will be very interesting, there is a kind of feeling in the air that everyone has had enough of LA. He must be kicking himself evey night that he made a come back.

And no doubt too proud to step away now. He too has drunk the kool-aid it would seem. Sad, really.

 

[CPAvelo]

Bodry, big talk no action. Sorry Lance haters troll on that windbag all you want. Bodry is no Harvey Keitel.

That may well be, but Lance's real problems are in the US, not France. Anyone care to wager Lance doesn't return to the US? Or, if he rides the TdF, he ****s himself?

 

[Ferminal]

poor lance isnt very happy

@lancearmstrong
Anyone else getting sick and tired of this bull****? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5271000
about 5 hours ago via web

Good to see the reciprocal relationship is working well.

"Pat, if you go and talk like a plank in front of the press, I'll drop an SSDD about the AFLD for you on twitter".

 

[Cerberus]

That may well be, but Lance's real problems are in the US, not France. Anyone care to wager Lance doesn't return to the US? Or, if he rides the TdF, he ****s himself?

I'd care to wager that he will return to the US. For one thing going into exile is effectively an admission of guilt and defeat and I don't see LA doing that. Secondly if he was willing to give up, I'm not convinced he's in so much legal trouble that he couldn't plead out of it with little or no criminal consequences.

 

[craig1985]

What?

You forget the accusations the UCI tossed at Floyd, Simeoni, Kohl, Schumacher, Manzano and anyone else who rocks the boat

Since when he has done that?

 

[Nick777]

"We've had four to five hundred tests analysed, including 6-8 riders from the top twelve, and their haemoglobin levels are going down from week one to week two, and down again in week three," claimed McQuaid.

"In the past we've seen situations where the level has gone down then back up again, which can be evidence of blood transfusions."


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-tests-show-cycling-is-cleaner-mcquaid-says


So, um, Mr. McQuaid, care to comment on Armstrong's 2009 Tour blood values?

hematocrit and hemoglobin on 7/2, 2 days before the start of the race, were 42.8 and 14.3. On 7/25, one day before the last day of the race, it was 43 and 14.5. Also, 7/13 was a rest day, and his numbers rise from 40.7 and 13.7 on 7/11 to 43.1 and 14.4 on 7/14. On 7/20, another rest day, his numbers are 41.7 and 14, and then 43 and 14.5 on 7/25.

Source:http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2009/armstrong-tour-blood-values-suspicious

Didn't Armstrong's Giro levels indicate a normal progression downwards, thereby
a) killing the myth that he was an anomoly; and
b) making his tour levels look more suspicious?

 

[goober]

Didn't Armstrong's Giro levels indicate a normal progression downwards, thereby
a) killing the myth that he was an anomoly; and
b) making his tour levels look more suspicious?

Provide a link please to this data or statement by UCI.

 

[rattler]

UCI credibility

the tension mounts on so very many issues, and i for one, am awaiting to see the "master of puppets", Hein Verbruggen, get what he deserves.
most all of the pieces will then fall into place.