Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[Netserk]

Well, sometimes one side of an argument is much more populated by trolls than the other. Need I say more than Armstrong?

 

[42x16ss]

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The FrankDay spamvertising experience is over!
YAY
This is a major gain for the forum!

Thank f@#k for that! An entire sub forum just became readable.

 

[ebandit]

........disappointed for chewie.......sometimes it's hard to let things go.......

Mark L

 

[Pricey_sky]

Foxxy banned for 2 weeks, what happens to the GGTG?!

 

[Eshnar]

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Foxxy banned for 2 weeks, what happens to the GGTG?!

Good question. I would say everybody can still send their picks to Foxxy while he's out. Or I can gather them for him and send them via mail. I'll try to contact him.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

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........disappointed for chewie.......sometimes it's hard to let things go.......

Mark L

Which thread was the ding dong going on?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Foxxy banned for 2 weeks, what happens to the GGTG?!

Good question. I would say everybody can still send their picks to Foxxy while he's out. Or I can gather them for him and send them via mail. I'll try to contact him.

Thanks, I suppose everyone can still send him picks although we don't know about groups or whether we need reserves. We will just have to wait until his ban is up for provisionals ect.

 

[The Hitch]

Can a mod tell me when calling out sockpuppets became against the rules and why? Take a look at the threads from the Armstrong years. every BPC account was immediately met with 10 posts calling it out as a sockpuppet. No one ever got sanctioned for it. It would have been ludicrous to do so. BPC was returning from a ban to troll and insult and issue threats (what vickers/ laurel has done a number of times (im guessing it might the same person as BPC was)).


But now every banned user is allowed full forum rights immediately upon creating a new username, and it takes a laughable year long process to finally prove they are the banned user to begin with.

Basically the - don't return if you are banned rule, has been stricken from the record book. And by extention there is little to stop anyone from breaking the rules at least in a major way. You can say or insult who you want, and if you get perma banned you'll be back 5 minutes later with a new username and it will all be as if you never left.

 

[ebandit]

........keep up hitch...........often sockpuppet accusations are unfounded

if you wish to be a mod......be a mod........or report issues for those who know

what they are doing..............

Mark L

 

[djpbaltimore]

I've been called Martin numerous times on the forum by a certain banned member. IMO, it deserves sanction because it is a personal attack that derails threads.

 

[The Hitch]

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I've been called Martin numerous times on the forum by a certain banned member. IMO, it deserves sanction because it is a personal attack that derails threads.

so trolling should be allowed to go unchecked? If 1 person is baselessly accusing everyone they disagree with of being a sockpuppet then maybe that deserves a sanction. Most of us don't do that though. We only attack the people we know to be sockpuppets.

Derails the thread? Lol. Page after page of trolling and baiting but the one post that says "we know you are a sockpuppet" is what truly pushes the thread over the edge.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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so trolling should be allowed to go unchecked? If 1 person is baselessly accusing everyone they disagree with of being a sockpuppet then maybe that deserves a sanction. Most of us don't do that though. We only attack the people we know to be sockpuppets.

Derails the thread? Lol. Page after page of trolling and baiting but the one post that says "we know you are a sockpuppet" is what truly pushes the thread over the edge.

If you are so sure someone is a sockpuppet, report them and don't reply to them. If a returned user is trolling in a thread, report the incidence of trolling and don't reply to them. The best way to get rid of a troll is to starve them of attention. Considering that the sanction is 24hrs after an initial cease and desist warning, I don't see what the big deal is. Calling someone a sockpuppet is a personal attack IMO. It is better to have this codified than to have individual mods with their own varying interpretations of the infraction.

 

[King Boonen]

I reported, I think, 3-4 very obvious sockpuppets during the TdF. All were banned within a day, some within the hour.

Just report and ignore.

 

[mrhender]

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Can a mod tell me when calling out sockpuppets became against the rules and why? Take a look at the threads from the Armstrong years. every BPC account was immediately met with 10 posts calling it out as a sockpuppet. No one ever got sanctioned for it. It would have been ludicrous to do so. BPC was returning from a ban to troll and insult and issue threats (what vickers/ laurel has done a number of times (im guessing it might the same person as BPC was)).


But now every banned user is allowed full forum rights immediately upon creating a new username, and it takes a laughable year long process to finally prove they are the banned user to begin with.

Basically the - don't return if you are banned rule, has been stricken from the record book. And by extention there is little to stop anyone from breaking the rules at least in a major way. You can say or insult who you want, and if you get perma banned you'll be back 5 minutes later with a new username and it will all be as if you never left.

The rule became official with an announcement yesterday, but it has been used before.
And it is not a new thing that mods have asked posters to desist with the (insert previously banned username)-calling/sock-accusations. Now it is official that we have a rule against calling out posters in threads.

We have decided on the rule, basically because we do not think the name-calling/accusations in threads adds anything to the forum. Sometimes(some would say often) posters are indeed correct in the sock accusations but the use of it becomes an "attack" as you put it in your latest post...

We don't think an attack is the right way to deal with potential sockpuppets,(or anyone else for that matter) but that posters should help us do our job (if there is one to be done) by reporting trolling and suspicions of sock puppetry.

Generally we think that the name-calling and accusations accomplishes nothing when they are done in discussion threads. We do not have a rule against calling out sockpuppets but we have a rule about using the proper channels for such.

I can assure you that any serious sockpuppet accusation in private/or via the report system are seriously investigated.

 

[TheSpud]

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so trolling should be allowed to go unchecked? If 1 person is baselessly accusing everyone they disagree with of being a sockpuppet then maybe that deserves a sanction. Most of us don't do that though. We only attack the people we know to be sockpuppets.

Derails the thread? Lol. Page after page of trolling and baiting but the one post that says "we know you are a sockpuppet" is what truly pushes the thread over the edge.

If you are so sure someone is a sockpuppet, report them and don't reply to them. If a returned user is trolling in a thread, report the incidence of trolling and don't reply to them. The best way to get rid of a troll is to starve them of attention. Considering that the sanction is 24hrs after an initial cease and desist warning, I don't see what the big deal is. Calling someone a sockpuppet is a personal attack IMO. It is better to have this codified than to have individual mods with their own varying interpretations of the infraction.

Loving this new rule - I have been subjected to sustained accusation and abuse for about 10 months of my membership here, purely because i used a phrase that had been used by a banned member (that it turned out was also used by another member, who is now on his/her second ban in two months). Thank you mods.

 

[42x16ss]

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Can a mod tell me when calling out sockpuppets became against the rules and why? Take a look at the threads from the Armstrong years. every BPC account was immediately met with 10 posts calling it out as a sockpuppet. No one ever got sanctioned for it. It would have been ludicrous to do so. BPC was returning from a ban to troll and insult and issue threats (what vickers/ laurel has done a number of times (im guessing it might the same person as BPC was)).


But now every banned user is allowed full forum rights immediately upon creating a new username, and it takes a laughable year long process to finally prove they are the banned user to begin with.

Basically the - don't return if you are banned rule, has been stricken from the record book. And by extention there is little to stop anyone from breaking the rules at least in a major way. You can say or insult who you want, and if you get perma banned you'll be back 5 minutes later with a new username and it will all be as if you never left.

Just report the post as trolling and if you think they're a sockpuppet or returned user, just say who you think they are in the report. The mods can usually tell pretty quick and the troll won't get the reaction they want (if it is a troll)

 

[LaFlorecita]

The report system is pretty crap imo, I reported a user for sockpuppetry 1000000 times over 2 months, nothing happened. In the end I sent a PM practically begging the mods to finally look into the case and the user was banned within a day or so.

First fix the report system and actually sent users a message when a sockpuppet report has been looked into, then introduce a ban for public sockpuppet accusations. Many times public accusations were necessary to get a sockpuppet banned.

These days, when I report a post/user and nothing happens, I have to guess whether the mods actually saw my report and chose to ignore, looked into it and decided it was nothing, or if they didn't even see the report at all. (I think Eshnar said mods no longer get a notification when a post has been reported)

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I've been called Martin numerous times on the forum by a certain banned member. IMO, it deserves sanction because it is a personal attack that derails threads.

so trolling should be allowed to go unchecked? If 1 person is baselessly accusing everyone they disagree with of being a sockpuppet then maybe that deserves a sanction. Most of us don't do that though. We only attack the people we know to be sockpuppets.

Derails the thread? Lol. Page after page of trolling and baiting but the one post that says "we know you are a sockpuppet" is what truly pushes the thread over the edge.

Good post Hitch, I think this rule is pretty odd. Besides, now people will have to PM 10000 forum members telling them to stop replying to a troll/sockpuppet, instead of just posting 1 message in the thread along the lines of "ignore him he's a troll"

When does Hog's ban end by the way?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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........keep up hitch...........often sockpuppet accusations are unfounded

if you wish to be a mod......be a mod........or report issues for those who know

what they are doing..............

Mark L

In your case maybe, in most other cases the forum members were definitely correct.
I just think it's weird I can't reply to a sockpuppet with "hi airstream, welcome back" because that would be an offense worthy of a ban with the new rule.
And isn't it good to show these idiots we can see right through them, with the idiotic reporting system it would take weeks if not months for them to get banned and get the message that they have been exposed.

 

[Irondan]

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The report system is pretty crap imo, I reported a user for sockpuppetry 1000000 times over 2 months, nothing happened. In the end I sent a PM practically begging the mods to finally look into the case and the user was banned within a day or so.

First fix the report system and actually sent users a message when a sockpuppet report has been looked into, then introduce a ban for public sockpuppet accusations. Many times public accusations were necessary to get a sockpuppet banned.

These days, when I report a post/user and nothing happens, I have to guess whether the mods actually saw my report and chose to ignore, looked into it and decided it was nothing, or if they didn't even see the report at all. (I think Eshnar said mods no longer get a notification when a post has been reported)

You exaggerated the facts but I get your point. This happened before the new mods were brought on board so it's hard to compare what you describe to what happens now when a report is filed.

We (mods) promptly respond to every report. It may not be in the time frame that a member is expecting but we investigate each report as soon as possible. No reports are ever ignored. We deliberate reports fairly, and debate any action that may or may not need to be taken as a team.

 

[Eshnar]

The new report system was a big problem when we were only 2-3 active mods left. First because we were not enough, second because we were not used to it and it was totally different. Now that we have more mods both issues are kinda solved, since they started with this system in the first place

 

[ebandit]

fairly

if you wish to be a mod......be a mod........or report issues for those who know
what they are doing..............
Mark L

In your case maybe, in most other cases the forum members were definitely correct.

even if 90% of accusations are correct........why? should the 10% of innocent members be hassled

Mark L

 

[Carols]

Where is this new rule published? Where is the entire set of rules? Thanks!

With the addition of mods there has been prompt mod action IMO.

EDIT: I found the new rule . Funny it never showed up on 'new posts' which I pretty much use exclusively when logging in. I never just go to a sub-forum and browse it.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Good post Hitch, I think this rule is pretty odd. Besides, now people will have to PM 10000 forum members telling them to stop replying to a troll/sockpuppet, instead of just posting 1 message in the thread along the lines of "ignore him he's a troll"

When does Hog's ban end by the way?

IMO, I think you would be singing a different tune if you were repeatedly accused falsely of being a sockpuppet yourself.

 

[TheSpud]

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Good post Hitch, I think this rule is pretty odd. Besides, now people will have to PM 10000 forum members telling them to stop replying to a troll/sockpuppet, instead of just posting 1 message in the thread along the lines of "ignore him he's a troll"

When does Hog's ban end by the way?

IMO, I think you would be singing a different tune if you were repeatedly accused falsely of being a sockpuppet yourself.

Agree ....