Michael Barry

[Benotti69]

Don't get too excited.

I wasn't excited. I was updating the thread.

Barry probably wants invites to gran fondos and will want to do his own thing and telling the truth will kybosh that.

 

[martinvickers]

good interview. kimmage owns darach.
kimmage on cookson: "he's still reactive, he needs to be proactive"

Hell of an improvement on "corrupt to the bone", though isn't it!

 

[Race Radio]

I wasn't excited. I was updating the thread.

Barry probably wants invites to gran fondos and will want to do his own thing and telling the truth will kybosh that.

Sorry, didn't meant for that to come off as directed at you......just that folks hoping for bombshells from Barry will be disappointed.

 

[Benotti69]

Sorry, didn't meant for that to come off as directed at you......just that folks hoping for bombshells from Barry will be disappointed.

No problemo.

 

[sniper]

Hell of an improvement on "corrupt to the bone", though isn't it!

we don't know yet how corrupt he is.
it's his first year.
if he is corrupt, the corruption will come out later.
regardless, kimmage there very subtly expressed his disappointment wrt cookson and anti-doping.
thus far cookson hasn't put his money where his mouth is, and with his brother at sky and his own past at BC he has a massive conflict of interests.

 

[martinvickers]

we don't know yet how corrupt he is.
it's his first year.
if he is corrupt, the corruption will come out later.
regardless, kimmage there very subtly expressed his disappointment wrt cookson and anti-doping.
thus far cookson hasn't put his money where his mouth is, and with his brother at sky and his own past at BC he has a massive conflict of interests.

1. It's not his brother, it's his son, afaik, and the appointment, I think, predates cookson's elevation.
2. Kimmage was disappointed before he even got elected; he's always been wary of Cookson because of the BC/Sky links. Nothings changed.
3. Little known fact. ALL UCI presidents come from, gasp horror, a national fed. Short of shutting down a nation's cycling while one of their number is president, I'm not sure what you expect to do about this sort of thing?
4. McQuaid had no links to a particular team comingr from his fed. ****** all good that did him.

 

[Netserk]

1. It's not his brother, it's his son, afaik, and the appointment, I think, predates cookson's elevation.
2. Kimmage was disappointed before he even got elected; he's always been wary of Cookson because of the BC/Sky links. Nothings changed.
3. Little known fact. ALL UCI presidents come from, gasp horror, a national fed. Short of shutting down a nation's cycling while one of their number is president, I'm not sure what you expect to do about this sort of thing?
4. McQuaid had no links to a particular team comingr from his fed. ****** all good that did him.

Have the links changed?

 

[martinvickers]

Have the links changed?

Between BC and Sky? Not that I know of, apart from Brailsford's resignation. why?

 

[Berzin]

Sorry, didn't meant for that to come off as directed at you......just that folks hoping for bombshells from Barry will be disappointed.

According to Paul Kimmage, there is a chapter in the book that describes doping in the pro peloton that is more shocking than anything in Tyler's book.

Maybe there are some bombshells in there.

 

[gooner]

According to Paul Kimmage, there is a chapter in the book that describes doping in the pro peloton that is more shocking than anything in Tyler's book.

Maybe there are some bombshells in there.

Kimmage mentioned Tramadol and caffeine and referenced this to say it was worse than Tyler's book. Worse than EPO and transfusions? Or worse a transfusion gone wrong? I don't get what he's saying here. He also used those substances to say that things now haven't improved since 1998.

I think there was a fair bit of hyperbole going on here.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Kimmage mentioned Tramadol and caffeine and referenced this to say it was worse than Tyler's book. Worse than EPO and transfusions? Or worse a transfusion gone wrong? I don't get what he's saying here. He also used those substances to say that things now haven't improved since 1998.

I think there was a fair bit of hyperbole going on here.

Tyler was describing the situation a decade ago. I think Berry can shed some light on the current situation. Sounds interesting to me.

Note: I've little doubt EPO and transfusion are still used by a select few.

 

[Freddythefrog]

good interview.
kimmage on cookson: "he's still reactive, he needs to be proactive"

old cookson is keeping himself busy doing important stuff like sorting out regulations for the derny hour record. Oh apart from holding press conferences saying the blood passport had a giant tick in the box from some group paid to put a giant tick in the box.

 

[ferryman]

Kimmage mentioned Tramadol and caffeine and referenced this to say it was worse than Tyler's book. Worse than EPO and transfusions? Or worse a transfusion gone wrong? I don't get what he's saying here. He also used those substances to say that things now haven't improved since 1998.

I think there was a fair bit of hyperbole going on here.

Tramadol use really really bemuses me. I've seen someone very close to me use this (only once because the effect was so scary!) and it totally knocked her out. And I mean totally. I can only guess the Pros are using a watered down version because believe me there is NO way you could get on a bike let alone steer it if you were on the Tramadol I'm talking about.

That said, she was given so much by the Hospital we've a nice wee stock pile if any DS would like to get in touch

 

[the delgados]

According to Paul Kimmage, there is a chapter in the book that describes doping in the pro peloton that is more shocking than anything in Tyler's book.

Maybe there are some bombshells in there.

Yeah, riders were taking caffeine. Michael Barry wrote purple-prosed books and columns that no one affiliated with the sport could take seriously.

He seems like a sensitive and thoughtful guy, but I can't forgive him for throwing Landis under the bus when everything was going to s***. News outlets in Canada portrayed Barry as a white knight, and they never bothered to ask Landis for a rebuttal.

Sorry, Mike, but I'm not going to read your book.

 

[gooner]

Tramadol use really really bemuses me. I've seen someone very close to me use this (only once because the effect was so scary!) and it totally knocked her out. And I mean totally. I can only guess the Pros are using a watered down version because believe me there is NO way you could get on a bike let alone steer it if you were on the Tramadol I'm talking about.

That said, she was given so much by the Hospital we've a nice wee stock pile if any DS would like to get in touch

I would like to see it banned but when Darach McQuaid said things are lot better now than they were in 98 with Festina, Kimmage used Barry's comments here on these substances to say it's not. It's not banned so it's the relevant authorities who can do something about this that need to criticised. I think he can only say it's as bad as 98 or the Lance years if Barry blew the whistle altogether on the level of banned substances/products that are in use in the peloton in more recent years. Judging by Daniel Friebe's view on the book, we don't get anything of that.

 

[Hawkwood]

Tramadol use really really bemuses me. I've seen someone very close to me use this (only once because the effect was so scary!) and it totally knocked her out. And I mean totally. I can only guess the Pros are using a watered down version because believe me there is NO way you could get on a bike let alone steer it if you were on the Tramadol I'm talking about.

That said, she was given so much by the Hospital we've a nice wee stock pile if any DS would like to get in touch

I've used it for pain control, and it has never knocked me out, it certainly was no where near as bad as a different pain killer I was prescribed. I can't imagine it having much if any effect on riding a bike. Perhaps your friend had a bad reaction to it, or was on a much higher dosage?

 

[ferryman]

I would like to see it banned but when Darach McQuaid said things are lot better now than they were in 98 with Festina, Kimmage used Barry's comments here on these substances to say it's not. It's not banned so it's the relevant authorities who can do something about this that need to criticised. I think he can only say it's as bad as 98 or the Lance years if Barry blew the whistle altogether on the level of banned substances/products that are in use in the peloton in more recent years. Judging by Daniel Friebe's view on the book, we don't get anything of that.

Gooner, trust me, Tramadol is not to be messed with. Any team using this has a doc who knows how to water it down and apply it. I'll leave it at that

 

[veganrob]

Drugs affect people differently. I have never taken or even know what Tramadol is. But codeine I do know. Years ago, prior to back surgery I was given codeine for pain and it made me feel like freakin Superman. A couple beers with that and it was even better. Not drowsy at all, I was wide awake and ready for action.

Only thing I did not like about opiates is the constipation. That is really why I stopped using them.

 

[Hawkwood]

Gooner, trust me, Tramadol is not to be messed with. Any team using this has a doc who knows how to water it down and apply it. I'll leave it at that

From memory it was amitriptyline, a tricyclic antidepressant, that I was given for pain control that really knocked me out, not pleasant at all. Tramadol is very good, but I certainly wouldn't mess with it. I think Tramadol is the painkiller that's often pumped into you during an operation. It was an Aussie working in A&E at my local hospital who got me on to Tramadol, he said he took it to sort out hang-overs!

 

[ferryman]

Drugs affect people differently. I have never taken or even know what Tramadol is. But codeine I do know. Years ago, prior to back surgery I was given codeine for pain and it made me feel like freakin Superman. A couple beers with that and it was even better. Not drowsy at all, I was wide awake and ready for action.

Only thing I did not like about opiates is the constipation. That is really why I stopped using them.

You want a pain free sleep, take Tramadol. You want to ride a bike fast don't, really don't. Unless you have a doc who knows the doses that will help you to do so.

 

[veganrob]

You want a pain free sleep, take Tramadol. You want to ride a bike fast don't, really don't. Unless you have a doc who knows the doses that will help you to do so.

I really could have used a pain free sleep then also. Ouch.

 

[Benotti69]

Gooner, trust me, Tramadol is not to be messed with. Any team using this has a doc who knows how to water it down and apply it. I'll leave it at that

The teams have multiple docs. With so much 'training' and so few races now being raced, it easy to get the dosage right for the rider.

 

[Justinr]

Gooner, trust me, Tramadol is not to be messed with. Any team using this has a doc who knows how to water it down and apply it. I'll leave it at that

I cant imagine how watering it down would help a cyclist if its being used to help with pain.

In the UK the standard dose is 50mg capsules (yellow and green), 1-2 of those up to 4 times a day. Its stronger than Codeine but slightly different so teh two can be combined. I said in my earlier post that I had to be scraped off the ceiling when I first started taking it. I only hit 8 capsules a day on a few occasions.

To give you an idea how effective at pain relief it is - I suffer from Hip Osteoarthritis and one day it blew up. I literally could not walk from the car to my house (25 feet) without having to lean on my wife and hardly put any weight on that leg - the pain felt like someone was sticking a hot poker in the joint, I was almost in tears it was that bad. 2 capsules and about 1 hour later I was walking around the house as normal but I can't imagine riding a bike like that.

 

[Benotti69]

I cant imagine how watering it down would help a cyclist if its being used to help with pain.

In the UK the standard dose is 50mg capsules (yellow and green), 1-2 of those up to 4 times a day. Its stronger than Codeine but slightly different so teh two can be combined. I said in my earlier post that I had to be scraped off the ceiling when I first started taking it. I only hit 8 capsules a day on a few occasions.

To give you an idea how effective at pain relief it is - I suffer from Hip Osteoarthritis and one day it blew up. I literally could not walk from the car to my house (25 feet) without having to lean on my wife and hardly put any weight on that leg - the pain felt like someone was sticking a hot poker in the joint, I was almost in tears it was that bad. 2 capsules and about 1 hour later I was walking around the house as normal but I can't imagine riding a bike like that.

trust a pro

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...l-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx#ixzz2z8qZNBhG

"There is widespread use of finish bottles, which are just bottles of crushed up caffeine pills and painkillers. That stuff can make you pretty loopy, and that is why I have never tried it. I don’t even want to try it as I feel it dangerous. "

 

[deviant]

If the finish bottles do contain caffeine, sodium, glucose and pain killers whats the problem if none of these substances are banned?

Is it any different to a regular guy using one of those caffeine, L-carnitine, tyrosine, gaurana etc loaded pre workout drinks before going to the gym?....or gulping a gel with electrolytes and caffeine in it towards the end of a long ride?