Michael Rogers positive for clenbuterol

[Rollthedice]

I agree. Any cyclist eating Chinese meat in China fails the IQ test.

I also thought clen clears from the system pretty quickly, especially if it's the result of contaminated meat (in which case the dosage is likely to be pretty low compared to a clen regimen). It might depend on when he left China for Japan, as it could be difficult to claim contaminated meat eaten 5 days ago.

He ate much meat. He also took some to Japan cause the taste was soo good.

 

[hrotha]

I agree. Any cyclist eating Chinese meat in China fails the IQ test.

I also thought clen clears from the system pretty quickly, especially if it's the result of contaminated meat (in which case the dosage is likely to be pretty low compared to a clen regimen). It might depend on when he left China for Japan, as it could be difficult to claim contaminated meat eaten 5 days ago.

Well, Contador claimed the clen stayed in his system at least long enough to test positive on 2 different days, and he was working with the assumption that his meat was European, so it could be inferred that Contador's cow was only on low octane stuff compared to Rogers' cow.

 

[TANK91]

How many of Riis's riders have tested positive now?

So Rogers doped on T-Mob and now Saxo but not Sky where he had his best season?

Yes because Sky are mixed in with the UCI arent they, Sky can beat any test bla bla bla. F.Schleck got busted when he done crap he dint get busted when he got a TDF podium did he.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Perfect! Thank you. The problem with that advice is chicken ranchers use clenbuterol just like beef ranchers. Same effects, more muscle, less fat. Your chicken will sell at a higher price.

In the EU, the regulatory environment for meat supply is excellent, so an athlete can have confidence in the meat eaten will not turn them positive. My understanding is China does not have the same level of regulatory effectiveness.

My parents-in-law are subsistence farmers in eastern GuangDong province, and they say they will only eat chickens, pigs and fish that they raise on their own farm.

Having lived in the country for a number of years, I would not trust anything to be free of contamination.

 

[TANK91]

Why so bitter mate? Is there something we can do to help you?

La Flo are yous seriously calling me Bitter with a straight face? Im not bitter at you because i actually think your decent i dont like the clinic people, i just dont get how im bitter? Surely if im bitter id be in clinic everyday saying Sky dope no? Surely when a rider tests ositive i can come and say something. No im not bitter at you Flo your ok, i just think sometimes on the few times you say stuff about Froome u should maybe not say it becuase you support Alberto thats all im saying. Surely you will back me up and say everyone said watch Rogers fall he will be crap next year also what about early this year they said the same?

 

[GJB123]

That's no excuse, all the teams know about that. I heard about Belkin bringing there own food to avoid those kind of problems.

That is a bit of a double standard. For Contador it was no excuse because in Europe the chances of eating contaminated food were so slim and for Rogers it is no excuse because the chances of eating contaminated food in China are so high. Is there actually a middle ground where they can claim leniency?

Besides the Mexican footballers got of scot free when they ate contented Mexican food. I think that if the amount they have found are pretty low, he will get (and probably) should get off, notwithstanding the fact he is probably doping regularly on something else (as was the case with Contador).

 

[BigMac]

Easy TANK91, you sound so fanatic. First non-Brit i see that supports Team Sky the way you do.

 

[Benotti69]

Yes because Sky are mixed in with the UCI arent they, Sky can beat any test bla bla bla. F.Schleck got busted when he done crap he dint get busted when he got a TDF podium did he.

Imagine a team in cahoots with the UCI winning the TdF? Is that possible?

Imagine riders on that successful TdF winning team testing positive after they leave? Is that possible?

This is the Rogers thread

 

[TANK91]

@reinierhonig (teammate of today's other clen positive Breyne, caught in the Tour of Taihu Lake) tweets:



transl: "And everyone was laughing at me with my cans of tuna and flavorless rice in China..."

What so do you actually believe it could be meet? Do you think it is much mrechance of contaminationn?

 

[webbie146]

Yes because Sky are mixed in with the UCI arent they, Sky can beat any test bla bla bla. F.Schleck got busted when he done crap he dint get busted when he got a TDF podium did he.

what the hell are u saying? Frank has been juiced up for years, just got unlucky in 2012.

 

[TANK91]

How long will he likely get, surely if someone said he doped at Telekom had best year at Sky then doped at Saxo then that is a life ban like Di Luca, no? I thought 2 strikes and your out?

 

[hrotha]

That is a bit of a double standard. For Contador it was no excuse because in Europe the chances of eating contaminated food were so slim and for Rogers it is no excuse because the chances of eating contaminated food in China are si high. Is there actually a middle ground where they can claim leniency?

Besides the Mexican footballers got of scot free when they ate contented Mexican food. I think that if the amount they have found are pretty low, he will get (and probably) should get off, notwithstanding the fact he is probably doping regularly on something else (as was the case with Contador).

No, for Contador it was no excuse because it made it very unlikely that his story was actually the truth. I'd say everybody acknowledged that, if it had actually been contaminated meat, then he shouldn't have been suspended at all. Hence the general puzzlement over the original 1-year suspension.

 

[TANK91]

what the hell are u saying? Frank has been juiced up for years, just got unlucky in 2012.

Duh i know.

 

[Benotti69]

That is a bit of a double standard. For Contador it was no excuse because in Europe the chances of eating contaminated food were so slim and for Rogers it is no excuse because the chances of eating contaminated food in China are si high. Is there actually a middle ground where they can claim leniency?

Besides the Mexican footballers got of scot free when they ate contented Mexican food. I think that if the amount they have found are pretty low, he will get (and probably) should get off, notwithstanding the fact he is probably doping regularly on something else (as was the case with Contador).

These teams have their own chefs, so how can it be contaminated? I would've thought a team like Saxo would've flown all their food in with the team.

 

[GJB123]

No, for Contador it was no excuse because it made it very unlikely that his story was actually the truth. I'd say everybody acknowledged that, if it had actually been contaminated meat, then he shouldn't have been suspended at all. Hence the general puzzlement over the original 1-year suspension.

I am very well aware of the details of the Contador-case, thank you very much. I didn't and don't onderstand the original verdict of one year and still have a hard time reconciling the CAS-verdict said it was contamination (although of a food supplement rather than meat, and a supplement Contador claimed not to have used by the way). The fact with statistics remains, and this has been done to death, very unlikely does not equal impossible. Nevertheless there were lots of people in the clinic who stated that Contador should have tested all his meat for clen and should have kept samples for retro-testing.

In this case we have rider who spent some time in China just before getting popped for clen. China a country rife with clem contaminated meat. The natural reaction would be to at least accept the possibility it was contaminated meat in this case, but on the contrary we get people saying he should have been more careful. Hence my question, if it is highly unlikely to eat contaminated meat in Europe why do people state they should test or make retesting possible and why is it that if you stay in a country where clem contaminated meat is plentiful you should be more careful? It makes me wonder of there is middle ground where those people think you can claim leniency without being ignorant or a liar?

 

[GJB123]

These teams have their own chefs, so how can it be contaminated? I would've thought a team like Saxo would've flown all their food in with the team.

Assumption is the mother of all ****-up's. Do you know for sure?

We have way too little information to come to any conclusions. We don't know the trace amount, all we know it is zero-tolerance substance (something I have argued against many times) for which there seems no logical reason to tie it knowingly for souped-up crit half way around the globe at the end of a season and we know he spent time in China shortly prior to tripping the wire, a country rife with clem contaminated meat. So based on what we know now I would be very skeptical on the nature of the positive. That being said it is Mick Rogers whom we all know supercharged before at T-mobil and with Ferrari and probably at Sky. So if you ask me whether is right he pays his due, I would agree. But as with Contador, I would much rather that he got caught for the real charging (EPO, blood doping, Aicar) and not for the petty stuff that might not have been intentional. It is like convicting a murderer for jay walking.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Haha why is it more funny because it's Rogers?

For the same reason as people were rejoicing when Phil Zajicek was finally brought down. Rogers has had too many fingers in too many pies and it's been more or less common knowledge that he's shady for almost a decade. This is "Ferrari" Mick "Freiburg" Rogers, who Sinkewitz attested to visiting the clinic where T-Mobile riders were getting blood boosters on TdF rest days, and who Leipheimer's affidavit in the Reasoned Decision explicitly fingers as having been visiting Ferrari for training plans along with those known crusaders for clean cycling Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. This was at the time when Ferrari was banned from acting as a physician or pharmacist specifically because of his actions in the doping of professional athletes. This rider has then been a key component (road captain) of a dominant train of cyclists that aggressively touted their cleanliness at all opportunities while putting out higher power outputs than he ever did at T-Mobile or while a Ferrari client. Seeing a rider with his history then boasting of his power outputs and cheerfully telling his teammates they can ignore attacks by GT winners like Evans and Nibali based on the power he's putting out makes it seem doubly appropriate that he should finally be busted.

Of course, there is still a good chance that he may have been innocent on this occasion, but as hrotha already pointed out, given that we know Rogers has been cheating at least at some point in his career for the best part of a decade, good riddance to the guy. I thought he was Teflon, so I'm glad to see I was wrong.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I am very well aware of the details of the Contador-case, thank you very much. I didn't and don't onderstand the original verdict of one year and still have a hard time reconciling theCAS-verdict said it was contamination (although of a food supplement rather than meat, and a supplement Contador claimed not to have used by the way). The fact with statistics remains, and this has been done to death, very unlikely does noet equal impossible. Nevertheless there were lots of people in the clinic who stated that Contador should have tested all his meat for clem and should have kept samples for retro-testing.

In this case we have rider who spent some time in China just before getting popped for clen. China a country rife with clem contaminated meat. The natural reaction would be to at least accept the possibility it was contaminated meat in this case, but on the contrary we get people saying he should have been more careful. Hence my question, if it is highly unlikely to eat contaminated meat in Europe why do people sate should test or mane resetting possible and who is it that if you stay in country where clem contaminated meat is plentiful you should be more careful? It males me wonder of there is middle ground where those people think you can claim leniency without being ignorant or a liar?

Technically yes, but it would be a waste of resources imo. Run the process quickly and ban Dodgers for 2 years. Move on to the next case.

 

[TANK91]

I actually recieved an infraction for comment at Hicth please guys even people i dont agree woth admit that was ridicolous i int letting that do were was the baiting in saying Come on Hitch everyone says that from Phinney to Voight they all say we need to move on.

 

[webbie146]

Assumption is the mother of all ****-up's. Do you know for sure?

Rabo did back in 2012 already so I would assume yes. Even if they did not and Rogers went ahead and ate meat in China he is a total idiot. Even the average joe knows that could bring trouble with testing. So either he doped, or he is the biggest idiot ever. Tyler said the test where more like IQ tests so if he didd eat meat his IQ can't be too high. But since Roger dodged the bullet several times already, and rode for some dodgy teams I assume he's a pretty smart guy and would not make such a stupid mistake.

 

[TANK91]

Easy TANK91, you sound so fanatic. First non-Brit i see that supports Team Sky the way you do.

Wow what sort of comment is this yu just added some fuel now, Put it this way why should i hate them like most do as a NON Brit. Is taht even a Question? You just said i should hate Sky. La Flo is Dutch i think she Like spaniards wwhat is wrong with that.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I actually recieved an infraction for comment at Hicth please guys even people i dont agree woth admit that was ridicolous i int letting that do were was the baiting in saying Come on Hitch everyone says that from Phinney to Voight they all say we need to move on.

Phinney was a big Armstrong fan at first (like most aspiring American cyclists of his generation I'd expect), who probably wants us all to move on because he doesn't want his generation paying for the last one's sins, clean or not. Jens Voigt wants to move on because he doesn't want people prying into the past because he was there in it.

 

[webbie146]

For the same reason as people were rejoicing when Phil Zajicek was finally brought down. Rogers has had too many fingers in too many pies and it's been more or less common knowledge that he's shady for almost a decade. This is "Ferrari" Mick "Freiburg" Rogers, who Sinkewitz attested to visiting the clinic where T-Mobile riders were getting blood boosters on TdF rest days, and who Leipheimer's affidavit in the Reasoned Decision explicitly fingers as having been visiting Ferrari for training plans along with those known crusaders for clean cycling Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. This was at the time when Ferrari was banned from acting as a physician or pharmacist specifically because of his actions in the doping of professional athletes. This rider has then been a key component (road captain) of a dominant train of cyclists that aggressively touted their cleanliness at all opportunities while putting out higher power outputs than he ever did at T-Mobile or while a Ferrari client. Seeing a rider with his history then boasting of his power outputs and cheerfully telling his teammates they can ignore attacks by GT winners like Evans and Nibali based on the power he's putting out makes it seem doubly appropriate that he should finally be busted.

Of course, there is still a good chance that he may have been innocent on this occasion, but as hrotha already pointed out, given that we know Rogers has been cheating at least at some point in his career for the best part of a decade, good riddance to the guy. I thought he was Teflon, so I'm glad to see I was wrong.

Ah thanks for the explanation! I knew Rogers was not considered 'clean' but damn, he's a total pro at dodging bullets it seems

That's why Tyler put 'karma' on his twitter I ques.

 

[BigMac]

Wow what sort of comment is this yu just added some fuel now, Put it this way why should i hate them like most do as a NON Brit. Is taht even a Question? You just said i should hate Sky. La Flo is Dutch i think she Like spaniards wwhat is wrong with that.

I did not say you should hate Sky. I said you defend them like there is no tomorrow, something i have only seen Brits do, at least here. And no it wasn't a question(?).

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Am I the only one thinks that when still another pro cyclist gets popped for Clenbuterol, when Bertie Contador so famously was stripped of a TdF win after testing in positive for it in concentrations of 50 parts per trillion, it only can mean one of two possible alternatives? Either:


A. Michael Rogers is an imbecile, or,

B. The "buzz" in the pro cycling community is that there yet are methods for taking Clenbuterol that escape detection