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Mikel Landa Discussion Thread

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
He is a bit of a d.ck though:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-eclipses-aru-on-the-mortirolo
I tested their strength but i was the strongest.

Yeah, like that's hard after following wheels the previous 30km. Somehow hope he fails now.

You keep on saying that in all places and I understand the frustration as he took the stage from your countryman who did almost all the work (Contador wasn't fully contributing either).

But hey, what could he do? Go *** for the last 40km and drop his team captain out of the podium? Ever heard about team tactics in cycling?
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
it's easy to claim you are the strongest when you are in the wheels for 30km.

Well, that is a kind of the nature of the sport isn't it? The sprinters are following wheels for 220km, takes the win in last 500m and still they claim to be strongest.

I suggest to enjoy the great ride of your favorite rather than blaming others to win, his time will come, just not today.
 
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bambino said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
it's easy to claim you are the strongest when you are in the wheels for 30km.

Well, that is a kind of the nature of the sport isn't it? The sprinters are following wheels for 220km, takes the win in last 500m and still they claim to be strongest.

I suggest to enjoy the great ride of your favorite rather than blaming others to win, his time will come, just not today.

Climbing is different as your effort exerted has far much more influence on the overall scheme of things...with sprinting you can rest and sprint for 500m at full gas over and over again...not the same with climbing as it's longer and more enduring.
 
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bambino said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
it's easy to claim you are the strongest when you are in the wheels for 30km.

Well, that is a kind of the nature of the sport isn't it? The sprinters are following wheels for 220km, takes the win in last 500m and still they claim to be strongest.

I suggest to enjoy the great ride of your favorite rather than blaming others to win, his time will come, just not today.

Terrible analogy.
 
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Alcanelo said:
bambino said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
it's easy to claim you are the strongest when you are in the wheels for 30km.

Well, that is a kind of the nature of the sport isn't it? The sprinters are following wheels for 220km, takes the win in last 500m and still they claim to be strongest.

I suggest to enjoy the great ride of your favorite rather than blaming others to win, his time will come, just not today.

Climbing is different as your effort exerted has far much more influence on the overall scheme of things...with sprinting you can rest and sprint for 500m at full gas over and over again...not the same with climbing as it's longer and more enduring.

Ok, agree. He should've just been good gentleman and let Kruijsvijk to win although he had the strength to take it and could not spend his strengths because of team tacticts.
 
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johnymax said:
I'm looking forward to see mano a mano Contador vs Landa full gas in this Giro. It should be fun.

Already happened today. Contador can't keep up when Landa goes full gas, not even close. Landa on a completely different level. The why's and how's are a separate story altogether.
 
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orangerider said:
johnymax said:
I'm looking forward to see mano a mano Contador vs Landa full gas in this Giro. It should be fun.

Already happened today. Contador can't keep up when Landa goes full gas, not even close. Landa on a completely different level. The why's and how's are a separate story altogether.


Yeah, I just rewatched the stage starting from Mortirolo climb. Landa never looked in pain. Hell, it looks like he was half-assing entire stage. When Contador attacked he just calmly went over to Aru, checked how he feels, and then just pressed on a pedals bit harder and without any effort joined the attack. And then unhitching Kruijswik (who was spent) and Contador (who tried to follow) on such a small gradients and winning with good advantage?

Absolutely insane.
 
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damian13ster said:
orangerider said:
johnymax said:
I'm looking forward to see mano a mano Contador vs Landa full gas in this Giro. It should be fun.

Already happened today. Contador can't keep up when Landa goes full gas, not even close. Landa on a completely different level. The why's and how's are a separate story altogether.


Yeah, I just rewatched the stage starting from Mortirolo climb. Landa never looked in pain. Hell, it looks like he was half-assing entire stage. When Contador attacked he just calmly went over to Aru, checked how he feels, and then just pressed on a pedals bit harder and without any effort joined the attack. And then unhitching Kruijswik (who was spent) and Contador (who tried to follow) on such a small gradients and winning with good advantage?

Absolutely insane.

It's really baffling how everyone forgets that Saxo had to motor full blast just to start the Motirolo 50 seconds DOWN on Landa and Aru. Yah. Imagine Landa had fresher legs by the time Contador attacked. And after sitting on for the last 30k.

Reality is that Landa can't keep up for 3 weeks or he would not be 4 minutes down.
 
Braisfold Says: "I think it’s been obvious for a while that Landa has been climbing better than Aru since day one. Landa has been around for a while. He was a good junior but if you ask anyone who has known him for a long time he’s a huge talent. From a climbing point of view he’s been impressive.” :)
 
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Being good at prediction is difficult. Retrodiction, by contrast, takes no skill whatsoever and any charlatan can do it. Just make up some narrative about knowing about a rider's potential after having seen him ride in sandshoes or something and you're good to go.
 
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PhiberAwptik said:
Reality is that Landa can't keep up for 3 weeks or he would not be 4 minutes down.

Hmmm not really, the reality is that Landa can't time trial so he's 4 minutes down. He lost 4 minutes in the time trial alone and he's 4:02 behind. So in all other stages it's been 2 seconds, on the road the two of them have been pretty much equal, but a GT is also about the TT.
 
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PhiberAwptik said:
damian13ster said:
orangerider said:
johnymax said:
I'm looking forward to see mano a mano Contador vs Landa full gas in this Giro. It should be fun.

Already happened today. Contador can't keep up when Landa goes full gas, not even close. Landa on a completely different level. The why's and how's are a separate story altogether.


Yeah, I just rewatched the stage starting from Mortirolo climb. Landa never looked in pain. Hell, it looks like he was half-assing entire stage. When Contador attacked he just calmly went over to Aru, checked how he feels, and then just pressed on a pedals bit harder and without any effort joined the attack. And then unhitching Kruijswik (who was spent) and Contador (who tried to follow) on such a small gradients and winning with good advantage?

Absolutely insane.

It's really baffling how everyone forgets that Saxo had to motor full blast just to start the Motirolo 50 seconds DOWN on Landa and Aru. Yah. Imagine Landa had fresher legs by the time Contador attacked. And after sitting on for the last 30k.

Reality is that Landa can't keep up for 3 weeks or he would not be 4 minutes down.

I though he could lose with the winner 8 minutes, but nor Porte nor Uran were close to his best, so the reference was Contador, and Landa is very strong and motivated this Giro, so he losed just 4 minutes, the rest of the Giro, he didnt lost really time, a little to work for Aru some days...

Burt he is 4 minutes behind now, (than in 19 days in nothing) we will see on Sunday, annd you tell me if he can keep up for 3 weeks...
 
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orangerider said:
johnymax said:
I'm looking forward to see mano a mano Contador vs Landa full gas in this Giro. It should be fun.

Already happened today. Contador can't keep up when Landa goes full gas, not even close. Landa on a completely different level. The why's and how's are a separate story altogether.

Landa cant go in Aprica alone from far becouse, as he said, is a quite windy valey and if has not enough slope, but friday..., he can put a lot of time.

I just hope luck will continue at his side in this race, no more.
 
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I agree that Landa is the strongest climber on current evidence, but you must be smoking something extremely potent if you actually imply that Porte or Uran close to their best could have been 4 minutes quicker than Vasil in that time trial. I mean, what? 1994 Berzin, sure. :p
 
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SeriousSam said:
I agree that Landa is the strongest climber on current evidence, but you must be smoking something extremely potent if you actually imply that Porte or Uran close to their best could have been 4 minutes quicker than Vasil in that time trial. I mean, what? 1994 Berzin, sure. :p

I didnt say that. I thougth I didnt need to explain better. :) ;)

Landa was better than a thought, so he losed less time.

IMO Uran and Porte at his best could have been put one minute to Contador, so more than 5 to Landa. (I thought could be 8, but I had my doubts becouse the ITT was hilly at the end, and Landa looked very strong)

We watched next day that they are not ok. Maybe Uran now is more recovered and he can try to get an stage, but it will be a fight between Astana and Contador, and there are people very strong as Hesjedal, Kruijwisk,...so very difficult.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
He is a bit of a d.ck though:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-eclipses-aru-on-the-mortirolo
I tested their strength but i was the strongest.

Yeah, like that's hard after following wheels the previous 30km. Somehow hope he fails now.

I have to agree that whatever his climbing abilities, tact is hardly his forte. Bit unnecessary to say that stuff about his own team-mate after what was a humiliating enough day for Aru.
 
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Electress said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
He is a bit of a d.ck though:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-eclipses-aru-on-the-mortirolo
I tested their strength but i was the strongest.

Yeah, like that's hard after following wheels the previous 30km. Somehow hope he fails now.

I have to agree that whatever his climbing abilities, tact is hardly his forte. Bit unnecessary to say that stuff about his own team-mate after what was a humiliating enough day for Aru.
What did he say about Aru that you didnt like? :confused:
 
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Eagle said:
Electress said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
He is a bit of a d.ck though:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-eclipses-aru-on-the-mortirolo
I tested their strength but i was the strongest.

Yeah, like that's hard after following wheels the previous 30km. Somehow hope he fails now.

I have to agree that whatever his climbing abilities, tact is hardly his forte. Bit unnecessary to say that stuff about his own team-mate after what was a humiliating enough day for Aru.
What did he say about Aru that you didnt like? :confused:

In spanish he didnt use that words...he was always polite with Aru, and aru with him. it is a fact that Landa was stronger than Aru.

Landa suck wheel at the end, obviously, but Alberto almost as well...
 

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Taxus4a said:
SeriousSam said:
I agree that Landa is the strongest climber on current evidence, but you must be smoking something extremely potent if you actually imply that Porte or Uran close to their best could have been 4 minutes quicker than Vasil in that time trial. I mean, what? 1994 Berzin, sure. :p

I didnt say that. I thougth I didnt need to explain better. :) ;)

Landa was better than a thought, so he losed less time.

IMO Uran and Porte at his best could have been put one minute to Contador, so more than 5 to Landa. (I thought could be 8, but I had my doubts becouse the ITT was hilly at the end, and Landa looked very strong)

We watched next day that they are not ok. Maybe Uran now is more recovered and he can try to get an stage, but it will be a fight between Astana and Contador, and there are people very strong as Hesjedal, Kruijwisk,...so very difficult.

That's really BS. Contador smashed that ITT like 2009 level, he would have beaten both Uran and Porte if they were at their best. I dont know with how much, but he was the by FAR the stronget guy that day. Kiriyenka who arguably are better than Uran and Porte in ITT only won by 14 seconds in a lot better wind conditions.

And some people here saying that Contador went full gas and Landa didn't? really? Of course Landa went full gas like Contador, he's just not a good TT rider.