Mikel Landa Discussion Thread

[TMP402]

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I have confidence that Mikel can win next year's Giro. Not saying he definitely will, but I think he's the favourite.

Already nearly 50km of ITT in the Giro announced so far. It's a gamble for Landa to be such a good climber to beat a proper GC guy, someone like (don't laugh) TJVG or Porte.

 

[Carols]

If anyone can teach Landa to ITT it will be Sky. That would make him pretty deadly. Right now he is in the same position as Purito. The ITT is a dead weight around his neck to his winning ambitions.

 

[Angliru]

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^^ With a plan like this, they could win all major races.

Yeah, and I could become president of the United States. It's possible, but extremely unlikely.

no, you can't.
you aren't born in USA

...but neither is the current president if you believe a certain Republican presidential hopeful.

 

[MatParker117]

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No Tour for Landa. He signed up to be a leader, not helper.

It's Thomas role to be Froome's super domestique (and plan-B if he crashes) in Tour. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-weighs-up-options-as-team-skys-plan-b-for-tour-de-france/ My guess is that Froome and Thomas will share the same program.

Froome: Andalucia or Algarve, Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.
Landa: The starter race Froome doesn't ride, T-A, Pais Vasco, Trentino, Giro.

Froome's team: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Boswell, Kennaugh, Roche + a couple of others.
Landa's team: Landa, Henao, König, Lopez, Kiryienka, Siutsou + a couple of others.

Froome: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Kennaugh, Roche, Kwait, Henao, Stannard, Rowe
Landa: Landa, Konig, Boswell, Golas , Kiry, Siutsou, Knees, Puccio, Viviani/DVP

 

[SeriousSam]

Sky are definitely in a strong position for the GTs next year. Their expected Grand Tour wins in 2016 is a larger number than for any other team. Froome is the most likely rider to win the Tour and Landa is surely not far off the most likely rider to win the Giro.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Does this mean Taxus gets to stay in the LRP motorhome next year?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Does this mean Taxus gets to stay in the LRP motorhome next year?

Taxus reporting form Landa's motorhome would so epic, haha. I could imagine the walls of texts he sometimes writes about Landa....

 

[Taxus4a]

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Does this mean Taxus gets to stay in the LRP motorhome next year?

Taxus reporting form Landa's motorhome would so epic, haha. I could imagine the walls of texts he sometimes writes about Landa....

I dont see Landa living in a motorhome, but I would like to be there in that case, so writte SKY for that, please

 

[Taxus4a]

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No Tour for Landa. He signed up to be a leader, not helper.

It's Thomas role to be Froome's super domestique (and plan-B if he crashes) in Tour. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-weighs-up-options-as-team-skys-plan-b-for-tour-de-france/ My guess is that Froome and Thomas will share the same program.

Froome: Andalucia or Algarve, Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.
Landa: The starter race Froome doesn't ride, T-A, Pais Vasco, Trentino, Giro.

Froome's team: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Boswell, Kennaugh, Roche + a couple of others.
Landa's team: Landa, Henao, König, Lopez, Kiryienka, Siutsou + a couple of others.

Froome: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Kennaugh, Roche, Kwait, Henao, Stannard, Rowe
Landa: Landa, Konig, Boswell, Golas , Kiry, Siutsou, Knees, Puccio, Viviani/DVP

For sure Beñat and Izaguire will be where Landa is, and if Nieve go on, likely as well.

 

[bala v]

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No Tour for Landa. He signed up to be a leader, not helper.

It's Thomas role to be Froome's super domestique (and plan-B if he crashes) in Tour. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-weighs-up-options-as-team-skys-plan-b-for-tour-de-france/ My guess is that Froome and Thomas will share the same program.

Froome: Andalucia or Algarve, Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.
Landa: The starter race Froome doesn't ride, T-A, Pais Vasco, Trentino, Giro.

Froome's team: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Boswell, Kennaugh, Roche + a couple of others.
Landa's team: Landa, Henao, König, Lopez, Kiryienka, Siutsou + a couple of others.

Froome: Froome, Thomas, Poels, Kennaugh, Roche, Kwait, Henao, Stannard, Rowe
Landa: Landa, Konig, Boswell, Golas , Kiry, Siutsou, Knees, Puccio, Viviani/DVP

For sure Beñat and Izaguire will be where Landa is, and if Nieve go on, likely as well.

Izaguire stays at Movistar

 

[hfer07]

If Landa improves further with the SKY treatment, I can foresee him winning Giro- Vuelta combo in his first year as a leader

 

[KyoGrey]

I am a bit wary with all the "teachings" that Sky might try to instill into Landa.

Landa is a unique climber nowadays, who rides low tempo on hard gears and even allows himself to attack up the road hands on the drops ala Pantani.

He has also shown to be a quite temperamental rider, prone to attacking long range if necessary.

I don't wan't a Froome 2.0. who only attacks behind the Sky chu-chu train in the 7km to go range with a crazy windmill.

For me, the less that Sky messes up with Landa's way of riding, the better. Just give him the medical support and 2-3 good domestiques for the Giro and let him be.

 

[Taxus4a]

If Landa improves further with the SKY treatment, I can foresee him winning Giro- Vuelta combo in his first year as a leader

He doesnt need to improve for that, just the normal from 25 to 26, he just need a team working for him.

I think he will improve in SKY, it is a team good to get the best for him, but I cant understand what is that of treatment. If you know something that I dont know tell me what is that, becouse all the riders I have talked who were to SKy told me about the differences ith pther team, but there is any treatment.
anyway Ky 3 years ago had a big advantage with the rest of the teams, but now I thing is similar, the rest have adapted to the new cycling, although SKy is better in technology, just to think that I have talked with some phiios of WT team who told me oval plate is not an advantage, when is probed it could be with work and technology showedhow big the difference is. ayway I dont think Landa started to use that plate, he is a kind of rider that is not goint to work in an advanced techonoly difficult to adapt at the begining.

 

[lenric]

If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

 

[Taxus4a]

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If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

He need prople to protect him in theflat stages with wind, he is weak in that, it is uselees to put 5 minutes at the second in the mountains if you loe 20 in a flat stage.

He losed time in the stage of Alicante, becouse it was a flat stage for the mediterranean coast and it was a windy and hot day and the pace was high to get in a good position the first climb to cumbre del sol. ¡You need people to work for you to be at the formt in that moments. That work that Toato do for Contador, for instance. In the Giro that wanst neceary really, becoue there was mountain form the begining, and in fact he was quite protected for a really strong team. In la Vuelta he was less protected and it was more necesary.

 

[MatParker117]

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If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

He need prople to protect him in theflat stages with wind, he is weak in that, it is uselees to put 5 minutes at the second in the mountains if you loe 20 in a flat stage.

He losed time in the stage of Alicante, becouse it was a flat stage for the mediterranean coast and it was a windy and hot day and the pace was high to get in a good position the first climb to cumbre del sol. ¡You need people to work for you to be at the formt in that moments. That work that Toato do for Contador, for instance. In the Giro that wanst neceary really, becoue there was mountain form the begining, and in fact he was quite protected for a really strong team. In la Vuelta he was less protected and it was more necesary.

Now he has Christian Knees & Ian Stannard.

 

[jens_attacks]

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If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

He need prople to protect him in theflat stages with wind, he is weak in that, it is uselees to put 5 minutes at the second in the mountains if you loe 20 in a flat stage.

He losed time in the stage of Alicante, becouse it was a flat stage for the mediterranean coast and it was a windy and hot day and the pace was high to get in a good position the first climb to cumbre del sol. ¡You need people to work for you to be at the formt in that moments. That work that Toato do for Contador, for instance. In the Giro that wanst neceary really, becoue there was mountain form the begining, and in fact he was quite protected for a really strong team. In la Vuelta he was less protected and it was more necesary.

that's ***. he lost time because he was in shiit form (combined with the hot weather).

but yes, he needs strong rouleurs around him no doubt. climbers maybe not, but rouleurs yes.

 

[pink_jersey]

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If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

He need prople to protect him in theflat stages with wind, he is weak in that, it is uselees to put 5 minutes at the second in the mountains if you loe 20 in a flat stage.

He losed time in the stage of Alicante, becouse it was a flat stage for the mediterranean coast and it was a windy and hot day and the pace was high to get in a good position the first climb to cumbre del sol. ¡You need people to work for you to be at the formt in that moments. That work that Toato do for Contador, for instance. In the Giro that wanst neceary really, becoue there was mountain form the begining, and in fact he was quite protected for a really strong team. In la Vuelta he was less protected and it was more necesary.

that's ***. he lost time because he was in shiit form (combined with the hot weather).

but yes, he needs strong rouleurs around him no doubt. climbers maybe not, but rouleurs yes.

An explosive climber, who can tear the race apart, like Henao, can kill for him.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If he can keep (or improve) his Giro's form, I don't really think he needs a team.

He need prople to protect him in theflat stages with wind, he is weak in that, it is uselees to put 5 minutes at the second in the mountains if you loe 20 in a flat stage.

He losed time in the stage of Alicante, becouse it was a flat stage for the mediterranean coast and it was a windy and hot day and the pace was high to get in a good position the first climb to cumbre del sol. ¡You need people to work for you to be at the formt in that moments. That work that Toato do for Contador, for instance. In the Giro that wanst neceary really, becoue there was mountain form the begining, and in fact he was quite protected for a really strong team. In la Vuelta he was less protected and it was more necesary.

that's ***. he lost time because he was in shiit form (combined with the hot weather).

but yes, he needs strong rouleurs around him no doubt. climbers maybe not, but rouleurs yes.

Whats *** about it? He won in Andorra 2 days after being the best climber that day

 

[jens_attacks]

He didn't lose time because he was bad positioned, he was empty.

 

[Taxus4a]

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He didn't lose time because he was bad positioned, he was empty.

he was empty, but why?
He was ok in the first days and he was good as well in Andorra, for pure climber a flat day that finished in a hard shor climb is not the best. All the leader always want people to work in thoe days, team is important to that, becouse other way yoy waste strenth fighteen agin the wind, the diferente to have people to work for you in days like that or not to have is huge. it is a misture of things, of course, hot, stress some days, but those kind of stages are always bad for him. But with a team helping he can save those days or even shine in the final climb.

if you think other way, you will learn more about cycling with time, cycling is not cycling manager. i have seen cycling for more that 30 years and I realized some years ago I didnt know a lot about cycling, when I though that yes.

He wanst in his best potencial shape in all the Vuelta, maybe nobody except Dumoulin or Chaves, but he wanst bad.
Landa was in Burgos 10Th first day in Clunia, that is not a really bad shape, but after to be at a hight speed in the ITT in Burgos, I was there an was really windy (in la Vuelta ITT was not windy), and he suffered to follow Luis León, Taraaamae s whell in the plain and he couldnt follow their wheels in the castle.

You can think what you want, but the Landa of Andorra or Madrid is the same or similar, becouse hot afected, that the Landa who losed time in Cumbre del Sol or another days.

Landa was so strong in Andorra becouse he losed lot of time in cumbre del sol and in Madrid becouse in Avila he losed 20 minutes. With a team prrotected him things are different. That is important and Giant did that for Dumoulin. The other part to be a leader is toi have mates in the mountains, but he dont need much team for that. If you hacve twocard like in the Giro, is the best situation, but they didnt want to take advantage of that, just to help Aru to be second, but, seriously, Amador is strong, but no so strong to be second.

 

[portugal11]

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He didn't lose time because he was bad positioned, he was empty.

he was empty, but why?
He was ok in the first days and he was good as well in Andorra, for pure climber a flat day that finished in a hard shor climb is not the best. All the leader always want people to work in thoe days, team is important to that, becouse other way yoy waste strenth fighteen agin the wind, the diferente to have people to work for you in days like that or not to have is huge. it is a misture of things, of course, hot, stress some days, but those kind of stages are always bad for him. But with a team helping he can save those days or even shine in the final climb.

if you think other way, you will learn more about cycling with time, cycling is not cycling manager. i have seen cycling for more that 30 years and I realized some years ago I didnt know a lot about cycling, when I though that yes.

He wanst in his best potencial shape in all the Vuelta, maybe nobody except Dumoulin or Chaves, but he wanst bad.
Landa was in Burgos 10Th first day in Clunia, that is not a really bad shape, but after to be at a hight speed in the ITT in Burgos, I was there an was really windy (in la Vuelta ITT was not windy), and he suffered to follow Luis León, Taraaamae s whell in the plain and he couldnt follow their wheels in the castle.

You can think what you want, but the Landa of Andorra or Madrid is the same or similar, becouse hot afected, that the Landa who losed time in Cumbre del Sol or another days.

Landa was so strong in Andorra becouse he losed lot of time in cumbre del sol and in Madrid becouse in Avila he losed 20 minutes. With a team prrotected him things are different. That is important and Giant did that for Dumoulin. The other part to be a leader is toi have mates in the mountains, but he dont need much team for that. If you hacve twocard like in the Giro, is the best situation, but they didnt want to take advantage of that, just to help Aru to be second, but, seriously, Amador is strong, but no so strong to be second.

you continue to not have a clue about real cycling... when you said that purito is better climber than contador...

 

[Taxus4a]

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He didn't lose time because he was bad positioned, he was empty.

he was empty, but why?
He was ok in the first days and he was good as well in Andorra, for pure climber a flat day that finished in a hard shor climb is not the best. All the leader always want people to work in thoe days, team is important to that, becouse other way yoy waste strenth fighteen agin the wind, the diferente to have people to work for you in days like that or not to have is huge. it is a misture of things, of course, hot, stress some days, but those kind of stages are always bad for him. But with a team helping he can save those days or even shine in the final climb.

if you think other way, you will learn more about cycling with time, cycling is not cycling manager. i have seen cycling for more that 30 years and I realized some years ago I didnt know a lot about cycling, when I though that yes.

He wanst in his best potencial shape in all the Vuelta, maybe nobody except Dumoulin or Chaves, but he wanst bad.
Landa was in Burgos 10Th first day in Clunia, that is not a really bad shape, but after to be at a hight speed in the ITT in Burgos, I was there an was really windy (in la Vuelta ITT was not windy), and he suffered to follow Luis León, Taraaamae s whell in the plain and he couldnt follow their wheels in the castle.

You can think what you want, but the Landa of Andorra or Madrid is the same or similar, becouse hot afected, that the Landa who losed time in Cumbre del Sol or another days.

Landa was so strong in Andorra becouse he losed lot of time in cumbre del sol and in Madrid becouse in Avila he losed 20 minutes. With a team prrotected him things are different. That is important and Giant did that for Dumoulin. The other part to be a leader is toi have mates in the mountains, but he dont need much team for that. If you hacve twocard like in the Giro, is the best situation, but they didnt want to take advantage of that, just to help Aru to be second, but, seriously, Amador is strong, but no so strong to be second.

you continue to not have a clue about real cycling... when you said that purito is better climber than contador...

Yes, it is true, but Alberto is a better rider. anyway i dont mind how is a bettr climber, I just say them to put examples, just to explain how cycling works out. I ue to ay contador necoueis now areference, but I will try to put other bames in the future becouse I see some people doent like.

Possibly Pozzovivo is a bettr climber than Contador, but he is going to win Contador one time to 10 in the mountains, so, in fact, Contador is better. But in an ITT to the Mortitolo with all of them the same rest in a good sjape, probably Pozzo and Purito win contador, anyway similar. In a GT, possibly contador win an ITT to the Mortirolo both of them.

I say the same with Froome, but Froome is not a climber, as Contador, so for him to be fresh is and advantage, after some mountians stages, would be worse for him an ITT like that. For Contador, woudl be better respect riders as Pozzovivo or Purito.

 

[burning]

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He didn't lose time because he was bad positioned, he was empty.

he was empty, but why?
He was ok in the first days and he was good as well in Andorra, for pure climber a flat day that finished in a hard shor climb is not the best. All the leader always want people to work in thoe days, team is important to that, becouse other way yoy waste strenth fighteen agin the wind, the diferente to have people to work for you in days like that or not to have is huge. it is a misture of things, of course, hot, stress some days, but those kind of stages are always bad for him. But with a team helping he can save those days or even shine in the final climb.

if you think other way, you will learn more about cycling with time, cycling is not cycling manager. i have seen cycling for more that 30 years and I realized some years ago I didnt know a lot about cycling, when I though that yes.

He wanst in his best potencial shape in all the Vuelta, maybe nobody except Dumoulin or Chaves, but he wanst bad.
Landa was in Burgos 10Th first day in Clunia, that is not a really bad shape, but after to be at a hight speed in the ITT in Burgos, I was there an was really windy (in la Vuelta ITT was not windy), and he suffered to follow Luis León, Taraaamae s whell in the plain and he couldnt follow their wheels in the castle.

You can think what you want, but the Landa of Andorra or Madrid is the same or similar, becouse hot afected, that the Landa who losed time in Cumbre del Sol or another days.

Landa was so strong in Andorra becouse he losed lot of time in cumbre del sol and in Madrid becouse in Avila he losed 20 minutes. With a team prrotected him things are different. That is important and Giant did that for Dumoulin. The other part to be a leader is toi have mates in the mountains, but he dont need much team for that. If you hacve twocard like in the Giro, is the best situation, but they didnt want to take advantage of that, just to help Aru to be second, but, seriously, Amador is strong, but no so strong to be second.

you continue to not have a clue about real cycling... when you said that purito is better climber than contador...

Yes, it is true, but Alberto is a better rider. anyway i dont mind how is a bettr climber, I just say them to put examples, just to explain how cycling works out. I ue to ay contador necoueis now areference, but I will try to put other bames in the future becouse I see some people doent like.

Possibly Pozzovivo is a bettr climber than Contador, but he is going to win Contador one time to 10 in the mountains, so, in fact, Contador is better. But in an ITT to the Mortitolo with all of them the same rest in a good sjape, probably Pozzo and Purito win contador, anyway similar. In a GT, possibly contador win an ITT to the Mortirolo both of them.

I say the same with Froome, but Froome is not a climber, as Contador, so for him to be fresh is and advantage, after some mountians stages, would be worse for him an ITT like that. For Contador, woudl be better respect riders as Pozzovivo or Purito.

I suddenly remembered that "Hesjedal is a better TT'er than Contador" when I was reading that sentence

 

[LaFlorecita]

My reaction when I read one of Taxus' posts