Moderation

[Lequack]

So now both @Logic-is-your-friend and @Extinction are banned as well. This is really getting kind of distracting to discussion.

 

[RedheadDane]

So now both @Logic-is-your-friend and @Extinction are banned as well. This is really getting kind of distracting to discussion.

Elos Anjos too... this is getting silly.

 

[Bonimenier]

To be fair Extinction and especially Elos Anjos deserved it after their posts today.

 

[RedheadDane]

To be fair Extinction and especially Elos Anjos deserved it after their posts today.

They both - basically at the same time - wished for serious injury of a rider?

 

[King Boonen]

So now both @Logic-is-your-friend and @Extinction are banned as well. This is really getting kind of distracting to discussion.

If only there were a way posters could act to make sure this didn't happen...

 

[RedheadDane]

If only there were a way posters could act to make sure this didn't happen...

You're right... it's not like there have ever been any cases of a ban that turned out to clearly be unjustified. Most rule breaks can be dealt with simply be removing the "offensive" (parts of) posts, without banning anyone.

Maybe, if we're lucky, the migrating of hosting platforms will mean that those who are currently mods will become admins (too), and those who are admins will just...

"Bye..."

Or, they can stick around dealing with spammers.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Listening to the usual suspects cheering on their mates in the sinbin, I find myself thinking of Paul Kimmage's question to Lance Armstrong: what is it about these people that they admire so much?

I'm inclined to think it's that they actually break the rules and aren't just armchair anarchists who like to claim there should be no rules.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm inclined to think it's that they actually break the rules and aren't just armchair anarchists who like to claim there should be no rules.

Breaking a rule doesn't necessarily need to result in a ban.

Anyway, let's hope everyone will be back in time for the Giro.

 

[jmdirt]

FYI: each of us can 'ban' whoever we want to, just use the ignore button.

 

[Lequack]

And now @Big Doopie as well. Come on, what is this, CyclingBans?

 

[RedheadDane]

And now @Big Doopie as well. Come on, what is this, CyclingBans?

It's pretty clear that some people think that everyone should 100% follow every tiny rule all the time. Otherwise it's just... bans all around.

 

[fmk_RoI]

It's pretty clear that some people think that everyone should 100% follow every tiny rule all the time. Otherwise it's just... bans all around.

This we can say even when we don't know why people have been sinbinned, because if we say it often enough that they've been sinbinned for tiny rule infractions then it's true, even if in reality it's not.

 

[RedheadDane]

This we can say even when we don't know why people have been sinbinned, because if we say it often enough that they've been sinbinned for tiny rule infractions then it's true, even if in reality it's not.

I just have a hard time believing that has been such a strong surge in posters wishing for/laughing at serious injuries by riders.

 

[fmk_RoI]

I just have a hard time believing that has been such a strong surge in posters wishing for/laughing at serious injuries by riders.

Yeah well, you go with belief, that way you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe and hell, you may even get folk to join your little cult. Me, I'd rather deal with facts.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah well, you go with belief, that way you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe and hell, you may even get folk to join your little cult. Me, I'd rather deal with facts.

We don't know the facts... so, seems like you are just believing that people have indeed been going around wishing for/laughing at serious injuries by riders.

 

[fmk_RoI]

We don't know the facts...

And yet you're saying that Admins have banned these people for minor rule infractions. I ain't sayin' who banned 'em or why. But hey, if you wanna believe that's what I'm saying, that's what you're gonna believe. Cause that's the way you operate. Imagining things.

 

[RedheadDane]

And yet you're saying that Admins have banned these people for minor rule infractions. I ain't sayin' who banned 'em or why. But hey, if you wanna believe that's what I'm saying, that's what you're gonna believe. Cause that's the way you operate. Imagining things.

Coz. You. Don't. ***. Know.
Admittedly, I don't know either, but there have been enough cases of unnecessary bans - and one case is the limit - that my natural first thought will be that there probably was no need for banning.

But, man, wouldn't it have been awesome if the Forum Migration had caused all the bans to somehow be "lost"?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Admittedly, I don't know either

But hey, don't ever let that hold you back.

 

[RedheadDane]

But hey, don't ever let that hold you back.

Like I clearly said; there have been enough examples of unnecessary bans that it's a natural first assumption that most bans probably weren't necessary.

But of course, you clearly think every ban is 100% justified. After all, you think it was fair to DQ a rider for giving a bidon to a fan.

 

[fmk_RoI]

there have been enough examples of unnecessary bans that it's a natural first assumption that most bans probably weren't necessary.

No there has not. You make assumptions, that's all. You are a fact free environment.

We have one example of one 'unnecessary' ban, some idiot who got sinbinned once for one day for something. A silly ban for something silly. Most people would learn to laugh at that but you've gone and turned it into a major injustice and proof that no ban is ever legit. That's just dumb.

For the record, I don't care who gets banned or why they get banned. I ain't no moderator and never want to be a moderator and I ain't gonna go round second guessing their unpaid labour on behalf of the rest of us.

 

[RedheadDane]

We have one example of one 'unnecessary' ban, some idiot who got sinbinned once for one day for something.

Admittedly, I don't know either, but there have been enough cases of unnecessary bans - and one case is the limit - that my natural first thought will be that there probably was no need for banning.

And let's not forget the case of a user getting banned for using the phrase "A doped [rider]", with the context clearly not being that said user was accusing the rider of being doped.

For the record, I don't care who gets banned or why they get banned. I ain't no moderator and never want to be a moderator and I ain't gonna go round second guessing their unpaid labour on behalf of the rest of us.

The mods - well, mostly RR - are doing great.
We don't have to go that far back to find an example of some pretty bad behaviour, and RR just, dealing with things in a reasonable way, deleting the problematic content and... not banning people.

 

[saunaking]

And yet you're saying that Admins have banned these people for minor rule infractions.

Yes. It's kinda funny/ridiculous.
I was banned, because i made a joke when Remco was alone with 3k to go at LBL about ASO having a sniper ready in case a climate change protester ran out into the finishing straight.

That's a ban? lol

 

[Lequack]

Yes so much of these bans could just be deleted posts, or not even posts, just delete the content and say "removed for being offensive etc.". That would also act as a deterrent, people could know why some content was removed, and it's done so on other forums.

Because now when someone gets banned, no one knows why, for how long, just speculation. It just brings anger and confusion. Banning active members who are the heart of the community is not the way to go.

 

[jmdirt]

Yes so much of these bans could just be deleted posts, or not even posts, just delete the content and say "removed for being offensive etc.". That would also act as a deterrent, people could know why some content was removed, and it's done so on other forums.

Because now when someone gets banned, no one knows why, for how long, just speculation. It just brings anger and confusion. Banning active members who are the heart of the community is not the way to go.

So if people are the 'heart of the community', they can do whatever they want?

I'm late to most threads so I miss most of the offending posts. Hopefully there is a warning for minor things (some might complain about consequences for a minor infraction, but don't know that there has already been a warning or two).

 

[RedheadDane]

So if people are the 'heart of the community', they can do whatever they want?

No, of course everyone should be given the same fairness.
Problem is, it seems that too often the people in charge forgets to err on the side of caution and instead just bans people, forgetting that users being banned is far more disruptive to the forum than the vast majority of posts.