Moderators

[darwin553]

I am not usually too disturbed by the moderating here, but when I read Berzin's post in the Armstrong thread where he expresses his opinion then basically says that anyone who disagrees will have a vacation I was shocked. Even though I generally agree with his opinion, I don't see why it should be imposed on all forum members.

I agree a moderator shouldn't be getting into the dictating of what the substance of what should be getting said but rather ensuring that the discussion is on-topic (which is anything to do with Armstrong's confessions) and that no poster gets personal or derogatory towards another poster in their remarks.

 

[hrotha]

I must admit I never understood why they made Berzin, one of the most biased (and hypocritical) forumers here, a moderator.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I must admit I never understood why they made Berzin, one of the most biased (and hypocritical) forumers here, a moderator.

That actually should not matter, as long as mods follow a basic principal of editing/modding poster behavior.
But that certainly did not happen here - it is editing content because they do not agree with the premise or argument which isn't even a blurred line, but a clear abuse.

I guess you, me, darwin553 & Frenchfry can looks forward to a vacation because although we are clear, we are not mod clear.
I hope it's Vegas this time.

 

[darwin553]

I must admit I never understood why they made Berzin, one of the most biased (and hypocritical) forumers here, a moderator.

Well if that's the case, I'm not surprised he made that post in the Armstrong thread then!

 

[ElChingon]

Because we need another Wiggins thread where the for and againsts can argur interminably like a hole in the head. I direct your lurking attention to the Sky, Froom, Wiggins, Cadence etc threads. Where is Sky at the moment, 23000 posts?

However, a thread about dramatic declines in performance after a stellar season from nowhere id of nterest and merit.

Confusing or confabulating between the two is the issue

Is the merge button broken?

 

[D-Queued]

Was glad to see that another 'arguing with the moderators' post on the Armstrong thread has disappeared.

Thanks.

Dave.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I am not usually too disturbed by the moderating here, but when I read Berzin's post in the Armstrong thread where he expresses his opinion then basically says that anyone who disagrees will have a vacation I was shocked. Even though I generally agree with his opinion, I don't see why it should be imposed on all forum members.

Well, it was a reasonable enough post as long as you don't read the last line. He kinda goes off the rails there.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Well, it was a reasonable enough post as long as you don't read the last line. He kinda goes off the rails there.

Nah, sentence for sentence it was all BS Hugh J. Calling people Armstrong apologists was the funniest part of it all, the conspiracy line was a real beauty, right out of the textbook.

I read it as ''just shut up, the majority opinion which I [Berzin] am part of is more important than yours''. Pretty bia-ssed stuff if u ask me. I thought this was a forum, you know, freedom of speech and stuff, guess sometimes it is more like PyongYang, sometimes I must add again.

Good thing 'Kim il Berzin' [=joke] deleted my post, it was really bad and really unfounded. I do apoligize for it. I hope I did not offend anyone with it, especially my dear friend doc M.

 

[ChrisE]

Nah, sentence for sentence it was all BS Hugh J. Calling people Armstrong apologists was the funniest part of it all, the conspiracy line was a real beauty, right out of the textbook.

I read it as ''just shut up, the majority opinion which I [Berzin] am part of is more important than yours''. Pretty bia-ssed stuff if u ask me. I thought this was a forum, you know, freedom of speech and stuff, guess sometimes it is more like PyongYang, sometimes I must add again.
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Agreed, I was thinking about posting something along the lines of what FF wrote above (I had no interest at the time in debating this BS on the forum, only wished to comment on Berzin's actions), when he deleted it and posted his diatribe, but I decided against it. Berzin and I have no love lost, and though I don't care to post here as much as I used to (mainly because of mods like Berzin) I don't want to be banned. The probability of banning would have been high IMO regardless of my tone. But, here I go anyway.

My favorite part is this:

Vehemently blaming the bit players for Armstrong's downfall has been debunked and stomped completely to death, so stop bringing it up as a distraction of the main issues at hand going forward, which are the lawsuits he's facing

You were doing no such thing; you were commenting on the mindset of others. Nobody is to blame for LA's downfall except himself, and why is it a distraction? This knee jerk reaction about how what is in the head of others has been 'debunked' is preposterous. There is motivation, from threat of perjury to being ****ed off about not having a job, to just being tired of the charade. To wash that away as being 'debunked' and everybody anti-LA are little angels without motivation other than what Berzin wants to believe is ludicrous. And for him to dictate what the subject is in the thread that is general in nature "we will talk about the lawsuits now so STFU" is a reason some of us don't post much anymore.

Per Hrotha:

I must admit I never understood why they made Berzin, one of the most biased (and hypocritical) forumers here, a moderator.

Ding ding, we have a winner.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Nah, sentence for sentence it was all BS Hugh J. Calling people Armstrong apologists was the funniest part of it all, the conspiracy line was a real beauty, right out of the textbook.

I read it as ''just shut up, the majority opinion which I [Berzin] am part of is more important than yours''. Pretty bia-ssed stuff if u ask me. I thought this was a forum, you know, freedom of speech and stuff, guess sometimes it is more like PyongYang, sometimes I must add again.

Good thing 'Kim il Berzin' [=joke] deleted my post, it was really bad and really unfounded. I do apoligize for it. I hope I did not offend anyone with it, especially my dear friend doc M.

Easy Fearless, I just meant he was voicing his opinion, which he is free to do, until he got to the last line. At that point he joined Netserk in a dead heat for worst mod ever.
You don't believe that there was a "conspiracy" between Armstrong, Bruyneel, Weasel, McQuack and the rest to steal 7 Tour wins? That is the conspiracy I think Berzin was talking about, and it was one of the few good points he made.

 

[Berzin]

I am not usually too disturbed by the moderating here, but when I read Berzin's post in the Armstrong thread where he expresses his opinion then basically says that anyone who disagrees will have a vacation I was shocked. Even though I generally agree with his opinion, I don't see why it should be imposed on all forum members.

The point was to keep the conversation moving forward as opposed to rehashing the same tired arguments over and over again.

In other words, beating the same dead horse for the purpose of trolling.

This is what ruins many threads in the clinic.

The fact that some of you have made it about me matters not. It just illustrates how some of you aren't capable of discussing matters without resorting to personal tirades.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The point was to keep the conversation moving forward as opposed to rehashing the same tired arguments over and over again.

In other words, beating the same dead horse for the purpose of trolling.

This is what ruins many threads in the clinic.

The fact that some of you have made it about me matters not. It just illustrates how some of you aren't capable of discussing matters without resorting to personal tirades.

Hold on - it is not about you, but what you did.

Someone made a comment, while I do not agree with it they are perfectly entitled to hold that view. If they are trolling, then they will not be able to back up their position and will usually deflect and/or make it personal.
That is when you sweep in, flash your mod badge and save the day.
But you have zero business to delete content just because you think it's a dead horse.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Easy Fearless, I just meant he was voicing his opinion, which he is free to do, until he got to the last line. At that point he joined Netserk in a dead heat for worst mod ever.
You don't believe that there was a "conspiracy" between Armstrong, Bruyneel, Weasel, McQuack and the rest to steal 7 Tour wins? That is the conspiracy I think Berzin was talking about, and it was one of the few good points he made.

I am cool HJ. But, when it takes me an hour, not a native English speaker, to make a well but not aprreciated post with substantiation, google translation is my friend, and it just gets deleted cause someone doesnt like the tone I say FU.

In that topic I was just dumping my thoughts on the withnesses of the USADA rapport. They are all hypocrites or guilty ones, just my opinion. I dont make a difference between them and him who is not to be discussed.

Yeah, I overdid the Pyong Yang part, sorry for that, spur of the moment. Sorry Brzin.

The fact that some of you have made it about me matters not. It just illustrates how some of you aren't capable of discussing matters without resorting to personal tirades.

I retract my earlier sorry Berzn. You should not moderate any topic regarding the bikeshopowner in Austin.

 

[Berzin]

Hold on - it is not about you, but what you did.

Someone made a comment, while I do not agree with it they are perfectly entitled to hold that view. If they are trolling, then they will not be able to back up their position and will usually deflect and/or make it personal.
That is when you sweep in, flash your mod badge and save the day.
But you have zero business to delete content just because you think it's a dead horse.

The content I deleted wasn't content. It was the same old accusations against the same people. Those arguments have been rehashed over and over again.

I believe I told posters to move on from this. Some took offense and came here to discuss the issue.

The mod badge I flash is for the sake of the site, not for any type of personal aggrandizement. When the insults and snarky comments follow along with the criticism, it is no longer criticism in the Socratic sense.

Nothing positive will ever arise from such discourse.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The content I deleted wasn't content. It was the same old accusations against the same people. Those arguments have been rehashed over and over again.

Just because you don't agree with the content does not mean it is not content.

I believe I told posters to move on from this. Some took offense and came here to discuss the issue.

The mod badge I flash is for the sake of the site, not for any type of personal aggrandizement. When the insults and snarky comments follow along with the criticism, it is no longer criticism in the Socratic sense.

Nothing positive will ever arise from such discourse.

Quite rightly too that some have taken offence to your actions, as you had no reason to delete that content.

 

[darwin553]

The point was to keep the conversation moving forward as opposed to rehashing the same tired arguments over and over again.

See that shows bias towards the substance of what is being discussed and is unnecessary for a mod to do.

If members want to rehash 'tired arguments' let them do so if they are on-topic and just let other members counteract what they have said - that is what usually happens on a forum that promotes the free discussion of ideas and arguments from both sides

 

[JRTinMA]

The content I deleted wasn't content. It was the same old accusations against the same people. Those arguments have been rehashed over and over again.

I believe I told posters to move on from this. Some took offense and came here to discuss the issue.

The mod badge I flash is for the sake of the site, not for any type of personal aggrandizement. When the insults and snarky comments follow along with the criticism, it is no longer criticism in the Socratic sense.

Nothing positive will ever arise from such discourse.

This place doesn't have the seeds to get rid of you but please have the decency to resign. You should not be a mod.

 

[darwin553]

This place doesn't have the seeds to get rid of you but please have the decency to resign. You should not be a mod.

I would be impressed if this occurred. It would show that berzin is the bigger person in all of this, can admit to his mistakes and has the interests of the forum and not himself in mind.

 

[pmcg76]

This place doesn't have the seeds to get rid of you but please have the decency to resign. You should not be a mod.

I think more than one mod needs to resign, I don't know what happened to a lot of the previous mods but the current lot are woeful. But the catch is this, it was obvious when most of the current crew were appointed, they all had very strong biases on varying topics. Mods at least should be somewhat balanced on most subjects, even Armstrong.

Just wanted to add that in general I have no problem with these mods as regular posters, they are just not suitable as mods.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think more than one mod needs to resign, I don't know what happened to a lot of the previous mods but the current lot are woeful. But the catch is this, it was obvious when most of the current crew were appointed, they all had very strong biases on varying topics. Mods at least should be somewhat balanced on most subjects, even Armstrong.

Just wanted to add that in general I have no problem with these mods as regular posters, they are just not suitable as mods.

That was a point brought up by ChrisE very early. At the time I looked at it that it could mean more balance, as it brought in a broader group that would keep an eye out on each other as well as stop cries of bias mods etc.

However the opposite happened and they have started to cover up for each other's obvious bias and mistakes.

 

[Hugh Januss]

That was a point brought up by ChrisE very early. At the time I looked at it that it could mean more balance, as it brought in a broader group that would keep an eye out on each other as well as stop cries of bias mods etc.

However the opposite happened and they have started to cover up for each other's obvious bias and mistakes.

ChrisE for mod!

 

[patricknd]

ChrisE for mod!

I second the nomination, all those in favor........

 

[ChrisE]

I only have one promise; I promise to ban berzin pronto. Everybody else, food fight!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Aye, i am in favour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I would nominate zam, krebs and mew as mods.