Mosquera positive in the Vuelta

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You could not have said it better.
I am simply so shocked today.
First I check this morning, Cancellara has won. All glad of course, and then suddenly Alberto gets caught.
Then Mosquera.
Now Ricco.
What is going on? I really love this sport, and I will definitely continue to do so, but all this news is making me sad

May you take the positive out of all the positives: No cover up anymore like in the Armstrong case. Big riders indeed get caught (Basso, Ullrich, Vino, Rasmussen, Valv-Piti, AC, Pellizottl, DiLuca). It doesn´t get any bigger.

I enjoy watching cycling more than ever, because the suspicious riders get caught or are feared to dope heavily. So we have climbers climbing again and TTlers time trialing, but no combined super performances anymore. It seems the field is cleaner and the sport (is forced) to test for doping. Complete opposite to the contaminated sports like soccer (no testing, fixed games and a dictator on top of FIFA, where McQuaid looks like a amateur in comparison).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Looks like sevilla has got off.. link in the sevilla thread
Apparently Mosqeura is also free to ride according to the spanish federation

Someone posted the WADA code here (page 5). It´s ridden that this substance is not allowed. So i wonder how this can lead only to a warning. I imagine Mosquera win nexts years vuelta like Valv-Piti did 2009. Omg.

At least there will be no chance this rider goes to the TdF.

 

[luckyboy]

The UCI looks more and more like the Keystone Kops. You can test positive for a plasma expander used to mask a high hematocrit. That is only worth a warning. Test positive for trace amounts of a substance that any serious doper would not be taking and it is ban hammer time. Someone has their priorities backasswards.

Yeah, this is what I thought. It is literally unbelievable that they can just let someone off for HES.

 

[Mambo95]

In recent years in Britain a phrase has arisen - "A good day to bury bad news". (Google "Jo Moore" for its shameful origin)

Mosquera has worked this brilliantly. He can probably retire and no-one will remember anything about this doping.

 

[ingsve]

Wait? This is pretty much the same substance that the finnish cross country skiing squad got caught using during the 2001 Nordic Skiing World Championships right? They used something called Hemohes which seems similar.

There is no way that this could only give a warning is there?

 

[roundabout]

Someone posted the WADA code here (page 5). It´s ridden that this substance is not allowed. So i wonder how this can lead only to a warning. I imagine Mosquera win nexts years vuelta like Valv-Piti did 2009. Omg.

At least there will be no chance this rider goes to the TdF.

it's not just a warning, they're on a double secret probation now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hostgKc7qV4

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Yes, the article says that according to both UCI and the Spanish Federation the positive for that substance leads to a warning but not a suspension. Now, my question is what the *** is a warning and what it means in terms of disciplinary actions?

Sevilla and Mosquera doing a 'Delgado'

Is this a joke!? How the **** can they test positive for plasma expanders and avoid a ban?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Wait? This is pretty much the same substance that the finnish cross country skiing squad got caught using during the 2001 Nordic Skiing World Championships right? They used something called Hemohes which seems similar.

There is no way that this could only give a warning is there?

Yes, it's pretty much the same thing and does exactly the same thing - dilutes the blood. Those skiers were gone for 2 years right?

The bio-passport has no value whatsoever if riders are allowed to use this.

 

[ingsve]

Yes, it's pretty much the same thing and does exactly the same thing - dilutes the blood. Those skiers were gone for 2 years right?

The bio-passport has no value whatsoever if riders are allowed to use this.

Yes, all six of them got two years suspensions which they served except Harry Kirvesniemi who retired since he was at the ripe age of 42 when they got caught.

 

[Escarabajo]

Wait? This is pretty much the same substance that the finnish cross country skiing squad got caught using during the 2001 Nordic Skiing World Championships right? They used something called Hemohes which seems similar.

There is no way that this could only give a warning is there?

Impossible!

Being positive for a plasma expander is the same as being doped with EPO or having done a blood transfusion.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Is this a joke!? How the **** can they test positive for plasma expanders and avoid a ban?

If they CAN, then all of a sudden I don't blame them. If they know they'd only get a warning for it, what the hell is the deterrent? And with a GT win as the potential reward, why wouldn't you?

 

[Benotti69]

Yes, it's pretty much the same thing and does exactly the same thing - dilutes the blood. Those skiers were gone for 2 years right?

The bio-passport has no value whatsoever if riders are allowed to use this.

Bio passport never had value, it was a smoke screen and when people worked out how to tell doping from it by looking at values then teams had to switch to micro dosing and probably more often then normal.

 

[Escarabajo]

Bio passport never had value, it was a smoke screen and when people worked out how to tell doping from it by looking at values then teams had to switch to micro dosing and probably more often then normal.

It could be a smoke screen but has a lot of value if used properly. I believe that most riders have tuned down their programs due to the passport. Do you agree?

 

[ingsve]

It could be a smoke screen but has a lot of value if used properly. I believe that most riders have tuned down their programs due to the passport. Do you agree?

Well, one could say that the passport has forced some riders to use plasma expanders to regulate their blood levels which can then be tested so in that scenario it still sort of works.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Yes, the article says that according to both UCI and the Spanish Federation the positive for that substance leads to a warning but not a suspension. Now, my question is what the *** is a warning and what it means in terms of disciplinary actions?

Not exactly true. Persons with a positive A sample for this substance are not automatically suspended. If the B sample is also positive, they are then suspended, pending the outcome of discilinary proceedings by their national federation.

Susan

 

[Escarabajo]

Well, one could say that the passport has forced some riders to use plasma expanders to regulate their blood levels which can then be tested so in that scenario it still sort of works.

True, but as you can see two riders have already tested for Plasma expanders this year. So they are catching them with the masking agents. It is just making the logistics of the doping programs harder.

I said they have tuned down just based on performances this year. The only performance that was really eye opening was the "energizer Cancellara" earlier this year.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not exactly true. Persons with a positive A sample for this substance are not automatically suspended. If the B sample is also positive, they are then suspended, pending the outcome of discilinary proceedings by their national federation.

Susan

So that means Spain can do the same as they did with Valv-Piti. Just ignore it, prolong it, and after 4 yers suspend the rider. It would be good for Mosquera, because then he is 39 and would retire anyway.

True, but as you can see two riders have already tested for Plasma expanders this year. So they are catching them with the masking agents. It is just making the logistics of the doping programs harder.

I said they have tuned down just based on performances this year. The only performance that was really eye opening was the "energizer Cancellara" earlier this year.

Me too i think (and said before) the passport works at least a little. Riders are feared and micro dope only as seen in the performance drops. I don´t know what more could be done... The performance that made me real suspicious was Mosquera´s at the Vuelta (for 4 years in a row)

 

[The Hitch]

I give you the benefit, because you was sooo close. You even believed in "my" too old to get stronger theory. You just didn´t take the next step to say: yes i think he did dope. You believed in the good as i once did (and still do with the young Velits and Nibali ).

But to be honest i am little proud, since i got a lot of flak in the other thread.

No. I never said he didnt dope thats the thing. I said he was less suspicious than the others but my argument has always been that they all dope. Mosquera Nibali COntador Velits the lot.

 

[Cobblestones]

Any possibility that he actually took HemoMer/Sestide an EPO mimetic peptide bound to HES?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Any idea why anyone would use this instead of saline?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Garcia de Pena now also positive for EPO.

Susan

 

[Bronstein]

Alvaro Pino must be shocked by this news.

 

[L'arriviste]

Garcia de Pena now also positive for EPO.

Susan

The Pino curse strikes again!

Where's this news coming from, Susan?

 

[hrotha]

Garcia de Pena now also positive for EPO.

Susan

This is hilarious, really.

edit: you'd assume Pino was more experienced than this.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

The Pino curse strikes again!

Where's this news coming from, Susan?

The UCI.

Susan

Edit: We have the press release, it is not yet up on the UCI site.