Most Credible Performance Of the Modern Era (Post 2006)

[Franklin]

Its got to be Ryder. He can win the TDF clean if he doesn't race the Giro.

The problem with Ryder is that he rode for really bad teams. Could be because he had no choice, but dang... reading the list of teams he was involved with ain't pretty.

But there is about as much on him as on Wiggins, so I guess a case could be made.

 

[D-Queued]

none

the peloton is still hot enough. wont get a credibkle performance post lemond sorry\soory Libertine, but one of the, if not the most knowledgable poster and contributor on the fora, you need to leave the Cobo references behind. like Evans, he might be more believable and do less. like moncoutie.

but not clean.

said with due respect to a great individual poster

Agreed. None.

Friend of mine, a very good rider with extensive international palmares, was riding with a US Masters team this past year.

He quit when the needles came out in the parking lot before a race.

Dave.

 

[greatking88]

He's been great since hasn't he? Just like Haussler and Reimer.

I actually think your quote was quite disingenuous.

I know Deignan quite well, and he himself realises, he'll never achieve the results he has the capabilty to because of the current/past situation.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Andy Schleck last 2 years.

Andy Schleck this year...

 

[Granville57]

Juan José Cobo

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[D-Queued]

Andy Schleck this year...

Dave.

 

[sublimit]

It's not normal to be tucked in behind a TV moto for 75% of an ITT, as Pinotti was that day.

Well yes, wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure it was up to LL Sanchez style moto x 3 drafting but thats a whole new subject.

 

[ultimobici]

reinotti


moncoutie example. remember when philippe gilbert was touted as the clean cycling saviour.

who thinks in retrospect, gilbert just rolled the dice in the last two years, or that adult acne was a result of his body's protest about exogenous hormones.

NOT NORMAL

So how do you explain this from several years ago, 2008 to be precise?

Looks pretty much the same as now. Acne scars from teens.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

So how do you explain this from several years ago, 2008 to be precise?

Looks pretty much the same as now. Acne scars from teens.

Acne as a teen?
Not normal.
Clearly using PEDs as a teen...

I bet his head has changed shape as well since he was a teen and probably grew more hair around that time as well...

Clear PED abuse.

 

[Lanark]

Acne as a teen?
Not normal.
Clearly using PEDs as a teen...

I bet his head has changed shape as well since he was a teen and probably grew more hair around that time as well...

Clear PED abuse.

Well, there are a lot of rumours about him using EPO as a junior

 

[ultimobici]

Well, there are a lot of rumours about him using EPO as a junior

I heard it was HGH in kindergarten!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I heard it was HGH in kindergarten!

his mother was a bodybuilder, got it straight from the milk.

 

[sublimit]

His kindergarten supervisors tortured him as a child by stubbing out cigarettes on his face. Clearly no self inflicted abuse here.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Damiano Cunego, except 2004 of course.

 

[proffate]

I used to think the same untill last years Giro when he put 1'30 or so into Taylor Phinney in an ITT. That doesn't seem normal to me.

As you'll no doubt recall, Phinney's lead motorbike took him off course in that TT. He lost a good 30 seconds + the motivation and rhythm to continue.

 

[D-Queued]

As you'll no doubt recall, Phinney's lead motorbike took him off course in that TT. He lost a good 30 seconds + the motivation and rhythm to continue.

Sure, but when you are drafting behind a motorbike there ought to be some kind of penalty. No?

Same with the rotor wash from the heli's.

Dave.

 

[ultimobici]

Sure, but when you are drafting behind a motorbike there ought to be some kind of penalty. No?

Same with the rotor wash from the heli's.

Dave.

The police moto was a little close, but he wasn't the only one in that position. How did Phinney get caught up with his moto? You make it sound like he was in the slipstream, which he wasn't at any time. If anything the distance he was behind the motorcycle would be a disadvantage as he'd be permanently in dirty air. In any event, what is a rider supposed to do, sit up and wait until the gap is large enough?

 

[D-Queued]

The police moto was a little close, but he wasn't the only one in that position. How did Phinney get caught up with his moto? You make it sound like he was in the slipstream, which he wasn't at any time. If anything the distance he was behind the motorcycle would be a disadvantage as he'd be permanently in dirty air. In any event, what is a rider supposed to do, sit up and wait until the gap is large enough?

Hadn't thought of that. Good idea.

Motos, especially when they have a cameraman, have a BIG cross-sectional area. The two-wheel version of a bus. Lots of shelter behind.

Anytime I can sense the dirty air on a descent, I know I will catch whoever is in front of me. There must be some sort of reference that shows the lagging end of the drafting advantage.

Dave.

 

[ultimobici]

Hadn't thought of that. Good idea.

Motos, especially when they have a cameraman, have a BIG cross-sectional area. The two-wheel version of a bus. Lots of shelter behind.

Anytime I can sense the dirty air on a descent, I know I will catch whoever is in front of me. There must be some sort of reference that shows the lagging end of the drafting advantage.

Dave.

We have 2 issues here. First the effect that dirty air has on a rider's speed, but second is the carrot effect the moto has on a rider. Do they cancel each other out or is one stronger than the other?

If it was such a flagrant breach of the rules, and let's face it every team would have seen it on TV live, why did none of them complain? Why did none of the riders, nor their teams, Pinotti beat that day protest? I'd imagine it's because there was no real foul committed. A multi-national champion won fair & square that day.

 

[D-Queued]

We have 2 issues here. First the effect that dirty air has on a rider's speed, but second is the carrot effect the moto has on a rider. Do they cancel each other out or is one stronger than the other?

If it was such a flagrant breach of the rules, and let's face it every team would have seen it on TV live, why did none of them complain? Why did none of the riders, nor their teams, Pinotti beat that day protest? I'd imagine it's because there was no real foul committed. A multi-national champion won fair & square that day.

Look, I am just going by the title of the thread. Don't give a damn about team protests.

It cannot be a credible performance of the modern era if there is a realistic possibility of drafting from a motor vehicle.

Dave.

 

[ultimobici]

Look, I am just going by the title of the thread. Don't give a damn about team protests.

It cannot be a credible performance of the modern era if there is a realistic possibility of drafting from a motor vehicle.

Dave.

I view the unintentional infringement, such as Pinotti's "moto-help", as secondary to doping. Both are against the rules but the latter, by virtue of its invisibility, is insidious.

 

[D-Queued]

I view the unintentional infringement, such as Pinotti's "moto-help", as secondary to doping. Both are against the rules but the latter, by virtue of its invisibility, is insidious.

Guess we should go back to the OP.

If the objective is to discern what normal is, then we need to discount for moto help, raging tailwinds, helicopters, hanging onto team cars, etc.

When it comes to performances in the test of truth, it would be really helpful to know where the truth really lies.

Dave.

 

[del1962]

Guess we should go back to the OP.

If the objective is to discern what normal is, then we need to discount for moto help, raging tailwinds, helicopters, hanging onto team cars, etc.

When it comes to performances in the test of truth, it would be really helpful to know where the truth really lies.

Dave.

Helicopters do explain?

EDIT : Oh , I see you are saying the roto wash from a Helicopter is an aid.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Thomas Dekker post-suspension

 

[BYOP88]

Anything Chris Froome did circa 2007-09.