Most Credible Performance Of the Modern Era (Post 2006)

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ultimobici

ultimobici

Mar 17, 2009
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D-Queued said:
Guess we should go back to the OP.

If the objective is to discern what normal is, then we need to discount for moto help, raging tailwinds, helicopters, hanging onto team cars, etc.

When it comes to performances in the test of truth, it would be really helpful to know where the truth really lies.

Dave.
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I guess the distinction I wanted to make was between overt cheating such as doping, hanging on to cars etc as opposed to factors outside the rider's control, be they overly lethargic police motos, tailwinds or the like.
 
blackcat

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ultimobici said:
So how do you explain this from several years ago, 2008 to be precise?
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Looks pretty much the same as now. Acne scars from teens.
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EXACTLY.

prolly started early like Genevieve Jeanson
 
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skidmark

Mar 13, 2009
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D-Queued said:
Agreed. None.

Friend of mine, a very good rider with extensive international palmares, was riding with a US Masters team this past year.

He quit when the needles came out in the parking lot before a race.

Dave.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That because doping happens at US Masters level, it surely must happen at higher levels? If so, what do you think about the possibility that it might happen there because it's easier to get away with it? Or maybe you were trying to say something different.

Also, if your friend quit because needles came out, I assume that means he's clean, so wouldn't his 'extensive international palmares' counter your assertion that we can't believe clean riders can do well?

Not pretending to know any inside info about the pro peloton, but I think it's too easy to be dismissive and cyncial (pro cycling has given us a LOT of reasons to be exactly that) without looking at other possible explanations.
 
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peterst6906

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skidmark said:
...because doping happens at US Masters level, it surely must happen at higher levels? If so, what do you think about the possibility that it might happen there because it's easier to get away with it? Or maybe you were trying to say something different...
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Middle aged men trying to fight the passage of age and stroke their own ego is the reason for doping in Masters.

'I'm not getting old, I'm not getting old, I'm not getting old. See I can still beat the younger guys. Gee I'm good.'
 
D-Queued

D-Queued

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skidmark said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That because doping happens at US Masters level, it surely must happen at higher levels? If so, what do you think about the possibility that it might happen there because it's easier to get away with it? Or maybe you were trying to say something different.

Also, if your friend quit because needles came out, I assume that means he's clean, so wouldn't his 'extensive international palmares' counter your assertion that we can't believe clean riders can do well?

Not pretending to know any inside info about the pro peloton, but I think it's too easy to be dismissive and cyncial (pro cycling has given us a LOT of reasons to be exactly that) without looking at other possible explanations.
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Old dogs do learn new tricks, and even old farts follow leaders.

I've ridden with a few dopers. Even liked some of them. AFAIK he is a friend that isn't a doper. Whether he is or not isn't relevant.

What is relevant is how pervasive doping is.

If ever there were a case of pyrrhic victory in cycling it would have to be doping at the Masters level.

So, how much did the mid-aged crisis runner-up lap prime for an inner tube in the Citizens category cost again? Good thing you were on EPO, then, or you might not have been able to even catch that wheel.

Dave.
 
Panda Claws

Panda Claws

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rghysens said:
Actually, Phil Gil tested positive as a junior or espoir, but he used the "my physician prescribed the wrong medicine" excuse and got cleared by the Belgian federation.
His excuse could be true off course.
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Nope, what actually happened was that he had some kind of medicine with him which caused a buzz until he showed the prescription.
 
Roderick

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My top-3 in no particular order:

-Little Boy Andy losing 10 minutes on the climb to Hautacam in the TdF 2008
-The Dog's impressive performance on the climb to the Santuario di San Luca in the Giro 2009
-Kamikaze Kenny coming in half an hour after the Grupetto in every mountain-stage in the TdF 2009
 
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Kender

Mar 4, 2010
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have to agree with andy's performances lately.

Brother gets popped. he hes scared. now he cant finish races
 
blackcat

blackcat

Mar 13, 2009
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yeah, a ONCE and CSC rider just keeps on improving.

plateaus or regresses at the non-Testo teams on Cervelo

#empty_cervesa
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Angliru

Angliru

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Don't be late Pedro said:
Acne as a teen?
Not normal.
Clearly using PEDs as a teen...

I bet his head has changed shape as well since he was a teen and probably grew more hair around that time as well...

Clear PED abuse.
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Or dude just might have problem acne from his childhood. It's not unheard of.
 
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biopass

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Angliru said:
Or dude just might have problem acne from his childhood. It's not unheard of.
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Those powergels riders eat during rides are nothing but highly concentrated sugar. One efficient way to acne problems if your facialskin is fat.
 
42x16ss

42x16ss

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blackcat said:
yeah, a ONCE and CSC rider just keeps on improving.

plateaus or regresses at the non-Testo teams on Cervelo

#empty_cervesa
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He only rode badly at the TdF with Cervelo. Sastre had two awesome stage wins at the '09 Giro and podiumed at CSS amongst other strong results.
 
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