Most Farcical Tour Ever?

[the asian]

whatever your smoking in Thailand is probalby a PED but its side effects are not helping

He is a known troller who has only returned from a ban. Have him on ignore list

 

[ianfra]

I like your post very much. But i do know that Armstrong doped. It comes with life experience, common sense, logic, eye-witness and hard evidence. OTOH, it´s unlogical to think that many different guys would lie and risk prison to falsely accuse Armstrong of doping, yet they wouldn´t gain anything of it... If 1 person does it, ok that might be a personal vendetta, but not if there is 20 people from different angles.

1. Yes: The evidence appears to be powerful against Armstrong. I certainly find him an odious character and quite evasive too.

2. To the other poster that responded to me. I do not smoke. I do not dope. I do not drink alcohol.

3. T the Asian. A know Troller I understand is someone who speaks truthfully. I have been banned for insulting the insulters. I played the game wrong guys! But, I agree, the easiest way of avoiding anyone who makes your belief system feel uncomfortable is to ignore them. That;s the easy way out!!!

 

[Poursuivant]

Most farcical tour ever? Seriously?

 

[sniper]

UCI maybe be 'favouring' Sky due to the oncoming sh!t storm approaching with USADAs investigation into team doping(etc) and how UCI were involved, so 'favouring' a huge media organisation to avoid bad press.

good point.

Hey, Sniper, any recent German press about Sky's cleanliness?

I'll keep you updated.
But rest assured that no single german newspaper I know of seriously entertains the thought of a clean tour. (the only exception being the german branch of Eurosport...)

I did find this piece (apparently from today) questioning Sky's appointment of Leinders:

Brailsford has announced that Sky are planning to investigate Leinders’ past. This happening only now? Why? Leinders’ past is a matter of public record. It’s all out there. Everybody knows about it. Wouldn’t a team that is sold on the idea of zero-tolerance have done this before they brought him in to the stable in 2010? Brailsford says that, after the death of Gonzalez, he realised that his riders needed special expertise on the medical front, but Leinders, the special expert, hasn’t been on the Tour this year. Had any of Sky’s riders contracted a sudden illness then Leinders was not there to do the job that Brailsford says he was brought in to do.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on...candals-that-have-dogged-this-sport-1-2426229

 

[roundabout]

He is a known troller who has only returned from a ban. Have him on ignore list

he is actually worse, no conviction whatsoever to follow through

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17890

Funny how he is still spending time communicating with the unbelievers like us

 

[will10]

The only time Wiggins was isolated in this Tour was when Froome dropped him...

What a resplendent list of pedigree in that list

It's part of the reason I posted it. In cycling it never pays to look backwards, I wonder how we'll look back at the 2012 top 10 in 5 years time....

 

[sublimit]

The Tours involving Bjarne Riiis, Floyd Landis and Armstrong "winning" were farcical to the point of funny. This one isn't even close.

Froome is still only 27 and had some reasonable results before, I'm more surprised a kid like Pinot can pull off a top 10 result without any kind of domestique support.

 

[will10]

The Tours involving Bjarne Riiis, Floyd Landis and Armstrong "winning" were farcical to the point of funny. This one isn't even close.

Froome is still only 27 and had some reasonable results before, I'm more surprised a kid like Pinot can pull off a top 10 result without any kind of domestique support.

Do enlighten us to the "reasonable results" that would suggest Froome could ride as he did in last year's Vuelta.

 

[hrotha]

Froome is still only 27 and had some reasonable results before, I'm more surprised a kid like Pinot can pull off a top 10 result without any kind of domestique support.

You can't be serious.

Froome came out of nowhere in 2011 (blah blah 2008 TdF.... no, sorry, that wasn't much), then he went back to the vast nothingness he came from, only to resurface in time for the Tour. In a team where everybody was in the form of their lives and which has dominated the Tour both in the mountains and in the ITTs, 1st and 2nd in the GC.

And you find that less surprising (more believable?) than a young guy, who had been shining pretty much since his first pro race and building up steadily, finishing 10th? Pinot struggled in a couple of stages, because he's not a cyborg. And what kind of support do you need to finish 10th anyway?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The Tours involving Bjarne Riiis, Floyd Landis and Armstrong "winning" were farcical to the point of funny. This one isn't even close.

Froome is still only 27 and had some reasonable results before, I'm more surprised a kid like Pinot can pull off a top 10 result without any kind of domestique support.

Well, Pharmstrong was around the same age when he came out of nowhere. OTOH, Pinot does what was true until the invention of Epo, when Indurain took over at an "old" age: "Talent shows early" (Lemond).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Do enlighten us to the "reasonable results" that would suggest Froome could ride as he did in last year's Vuelta.

Well he finished 36th as best GT result prior his coming out at the Vuelta.

36th? ... oh yes, Armstrong was 36th as his best showing in a GT before his coming out.

 

[sublimit]

Do enlighten us to the "reasonable results" that would suggest Froome could ride as he did in last year's Vuelta.

Sorry no clues!

OK coming P36 in the Giro 2008 showed he had promise, not earth shattering but OK. Tour of the Med etc. Its not like he's a rower, triathlete or total novice that came out of nowhere like most people want us to believe.

Love coming to this place because you get a hostile response to absolutely everything you put down. kind of funny but sad.

 

[sublimit]

Well, Pharmstrong was around the same age when he came out of nowhere. OTOH, Pinot does what was true until the invention of Epo, when Indurain took over at an "old" age: "Talent shows early" (Lemond).

Indurain was 28 when he first won for sure, but pretty good before that.
I'm not saying Pinot is a cheat but saying its a phenomenal performance for a youngster.

 

[roundabout]

But some people would agree that you somewhat fudged the Froome/Pinot believability comparison.

 

[sublimit]

You can't be serious.

Froome came out of nowhere in 2011 (blah blah 2008 TdF.... no, sorry, that wasn't much), then he went back to the vast nothingness he came from, only to resurface in time for the Tour. In a team where everybody was in the form of their lives and which has dominated the Tour both in the mountains and in the ITTs, 1st and 2nd in the GC.

And you find that less surprising (more believable?) than a young guy, who had been shining pretty much since his first pro race and building up steadily, finishing 10th? Pinot struggled in a couple of stages, because he's not a cyborg. And what kind of support do you need to finish 10th anyway?

That stage when he was going head to head with Froome, Wiggo and Nibali surprised me for sure considering he's the youngest rider in the race. I'm not saying he's a doper at all.

 

[sublimit]

But some people would agree that you somewhat fudged the Froome/Pinot believability comparison.

If I've done that then so be it. Who wants perfection.

I was surprised not refusing to believe it.

 

[hrotha]

That stage when he was going head to head with Froome, Wiggo and Nibali surprised me for sure considering he's the youngest rider in the race. I'm not saying he's a doper at all.

No, but you're saying you find his performance more surprising than Froome's. You didn't address Froome's inherent dodginess at all.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Indurain was 28 when he first won for sure, but pretty good before that.
I'm not saying Pinot is a cheat but saying its a phenomenal performance for a youngster.

It was always like that: Coppi, Anquetil, Hinault, Fignon, etc. etc were as young as Pinot....
OTOH, the first ever "old" GT podium finisher was Mr. Indurain. And then boom, a big wave of such unusal performances hit the scene (Armstrong, Rijs, Rominger, Vino, Sastre, Froome, Wiggins, etc.).

 

[roundabout]

If I've done that then so be it. Who wants perfection.

I was surprised not refusing to believe it.

For me believability is also whether or not this or that performance is consistent with my own understanding of a rider's ability.

Ok, I suppose it goes acceptance-surprise-doubt-obvious doping, but it's mostly shades of a same thing.

 

[will10]

Sorry no clues!

OK coming P36 in the Giro 2008 showed he had promise, not earth shattering but OK. Tour of the Med etc. Its not like he's a rower, triathlete or total novice that came out of nowhere like most people want us to believe.

Love coming to this place because you get a hostile response to absolutely everything you put down. kind of funny but sad.

My post was not meant to be hostile. I genuinely want you to show me the previous performances that suggest Froome could be a potential GT podium finisher, because I haven't found any yet. Or does 3rd on Mont Faron ahead of Jussi Veikkanen suffice?

 

[fatandfast]

the tragic result of the UCI oversight to this tour and all other major pro races is that without a real organization the results of the tour can be overturned at any moment because of ineffective science. If some agency has technology that is the ultimate authority why not use it the first time rather than weeks,months or years after a winner has been announced.

Recent European cup football,Superbowl and NBA finals will all go into history
with a champion named. Cycling lack of a professional union and professional management will name Wiggins as the winner but the title will never really stick because of the bizarre techniques used to determine cheating within the sport.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Recent European cup football,Superbowl and NBA finals will all go into history
with a champion named. Cycling lack of a professional union and professional management will name Wiggins as the winner but the title will never really stick because of the bizarre techniques used to determine cheating within the sport.

I wouldn´t blame cycling for that. It´s just that the FIFA/UEFA, NFL and NBA do nothing about their cheating but keeping everything under the carpet. Then it´s easy to have set the winners in stone. Even if it gets as ugly as the fixed SB between Pitt and SEA...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I wouldn´t blame cycling for that. It´s just that the FIFA/UEFA, NFL and NBA do nothing about their cheating but keeping everything under the carpet. Then it´s easy to have set the winners in stone. Even if it gets as ugly as the fixed SB between Pitt and SEA...

Hey, The Bus stops here!

You've got to admit it's pretty amusing when the guy with the highest QB rating in the superbowl is Antwaan Randle El.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Each team has 1-3 guys who are supposed to do something, Climb, Sprint, Attack. A big chunk of them did nothing this Tour. They guys that work for them set them up and they did nothing. Many of the animators were frauds. In an environment where they get testing 20+ times a year and their doctors are getting arrested they suddenly don't animate the race anymore.

Guys that used to dominate are getting dropped by guys doing a fraction of what led the Tour 10 years ago. Time to let some new guys get a chance

But they're not doing a fraction of what led the Tour the past 4 years. This is what we've come to expect in the Bio-passport era, with few exceptions, and Froome was holding back. A lot of riders have declined from that level, but the british duo are still up there, or should I say, leapt up there. Half their Tour squad have improved majorly at the same time. It's not just that many competitors fell off, they improved. A lot. At the same time. And one of them is a 32-year old, ex-Ferrari client, pushing some of his best numbers ever.

That's not believable.

And that's not even going into the whole no-hiring-dopers-or-people-facilitating-doping-and-let's-be-super-transparent thing, that turned into let's-hire-a-bunch-of-dopers-and-dirty-staff-members-and-let's-not-be-anymore-transparent-than-Johan's-team.

It has all the signs of systematic doping.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hey, The Bus stops here!

You've got to admit it's pretty amusing when the guy with the highest QB rating in the superbowl is Antwaan Randle El.

That´s true. Especially when the "winning" starting QB managed to post numbers below 25, even though his team got all the calls to secure Vegas and the mobsters a big gambling profit. Well, well...