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Saunier Duval was maybe what we saw from Saxo getting Contador into 11th. SD never in their wildest dreams could have gotten within a minute of Froome today.fantomas said:
What a mutant! Wonderful 90s. Compared to them todays cycling is clean 
ChewbaccaD said:
Tonton said:
However, it was the main reason I picked that version of Indurain over the '92 version as pick #1 in the doping draft.carton said:
this was training for that:carton said:
+1.Krzysztof_O said:Floyd in Morzine 2006 was big. I never thought that in 21st century a single rider could destroy the peleton with 100km+ breakaway like Merckx.
Santiago Perez at Vuelta 2004 was also spectacular. A man from nothing doing 1800-2000 m/h of VAM for 15 minutes and making Heras look like an amateur.
Jose Enrique Gutierrez at Giro 2006. A heavy man (78 kg) with no grand tour success is 2nd at the Giro ahead of Simoni and only behind ET Basso.
Pantani and Indurain on Alpe d'Huez 1995. Pantani goes under 37' and Indurain (80 kilograms!) doing a little over 38 minutes! Pantani doing well over 1800 m/h of VAM (close to 7 watts/kg) for such a long period is incredible. But what can you say about Indurain? This 80-kg giant with locomotive-like engine achieved VAM of about 1750 m/h and could overtake uphill our skinny Alien
For me sustained greatness of Pantani and Indurain (for many years, not a single shot like Landis) represent peak of capabilities of very gifted cyclists on doping.
Escarabajo said:+1.Krzysztof_O said:Floyd in Morzine 2006 was big. I never thought that in 21st century a single rider could destroy the peleton with 100km+ breakaway like Merckx.
Santiago Perez at Vuelta 2004 was also spectacular. A man from nothing doing 1800-2000 m/h of VAM for 15 minutes and making Heras look like an amateur.
Jose Enrique Gutierrez at Giro 2006. A heavy man (78 kg) with no grand tour success is 2nd at the Giro ahead of Simoni and only behind ET Basso.
Pantani and Indurain on Alpe d'Huez 1995. Pantani goes under 37' and Indurain (80 kilograms!) doing a little over 38 minutes! Pantani doing well over 1800 m/h of VAM (close to 7 watts/kg) for such a long period is incredible. But what can you say about Indurain? This 80-kg giant with locomotive-like engine achieved VAM of about 1750 m/h and could overtake uphill our skinny Alien
For me sustained greatness of Pantani and Indurain (for many years, not a single shot like Landis) represent peak of capabilities of very gifted cyclists on doping.
I think this summary is excellent. Probably would need to add Riis in Hautacam.
carton said:
No, that was Hautacam 94'. Indurain went on to shake his head himself when he was pipped by LeBlanc on the line. But my favorite shake of the head has to be Armstrong 1994, after the TT. I can't find the footage, but he says something like: "I was in 53-11 and he just blew right by me. I mean, you know, that's just ..."BrentonOfTheNorth said:
I'm not sure how you would measure that. The only other sport where that's feasible on principle is rowing, where inefficiencies are generally higher. At least in cycling I doubt anyone will match Indurain's sustained power in a long time.BrentonOfTheNorth said:
2006 ITT Pontedera-Pisa-Pontedera was passing in front of my house. Even by looking at them, Ullrich and Basso seemed of another planet. IMHO Basso was even more impressive, given he started much later than Ullrich and there was already some wind.craig1985 said:
I was on the finish line of the last one at Tre Cime di Lavaredo during Giro 2007. It was a crazy performance by the Saunier-Duval duo, considering that there were a ton of mountains that day and we were literally freezing in the rain ( I guess no more than 5°C on top). Here the classification of the stage:Squire said:One of my favourite categories of doped performances? The legendary Saunier Duval 1-2s!
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