Most memorable doped perfomances?

[Scarponi]

I wasn't alive when Indurain was at his prime, so I can't say.

I was a pup in a non cycling nation haha , hope someone can put them into perspective

 

[JosefK]

Pog looked almost bored riding behind Vingo for kilometers up the Plateau de Beille, today. Then he yawned and turned on the turbochargers. Pog's emphatic win today (stage 15 of the 2024 TDF) is a worthy addition to the other memorable nuke blasts posted in this thread. Chapeau, Teddy.

 

[Simurgh]

To each their own, but IMO PDBF was little league and borderline believable compared to chopping 3+ min off pantani's record today.

I get what you are saying and in that sense I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that I was more surprised by those performances than today's; they came a bit from left field. Maybe I'm desensitized at this point. When Froome and Contador made their double attempts, they were quite clearly lacking their usual spark in the Tour compared to their rivals. And here we have Pog in yellow since stage 4 and winning...how many stages before today? ...without breaking a sweat. You wouldn't think he's already crushed a Grand Tour just two months ago; so what's another climbing record? Its not like climbing records have been falling like flies the past few years!

 

[Forever The Best]

Well this one definitely takes the cake. 3:30 ahead of Pantani's time, lol. And this was a very tough stage, so can't even use the excuse of easy, short stage either.

 

[JosefK]

I was a pup in a non cycling nation haha , hope someone can put them into perspective

Regarding Indurain, picture Filippo Ganna doing what he always does in time trials but also riding with Vingo up the beyond-category climbs in the TDF. ... I know, fantasy material.

 

[meat puppet]

I get what you are saying and in that sense I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that I was more surprised by those performances than today's; they came a bit from left field. Maybe I'm desensitized at this point. When Froome and Contador made their double attempts, they were quite clearly lacking their usual spark in the Tour compared to their rivals. And here we have Pog in yellow since stage 4 and winning...how many stages before today? ...without breaking a sweat. You wouldn't think he's already crushed a Grand Tour just two months ago; so what's another climbing record? Its not like climbing records have been falling like flies the past few years!

Hear hear. It's just that the numbers put everything in context and at this point it's mostly about context (+ maybe shirts and giggles).

Anyway the ridiculous Strade raid didn't lie. He (and perhaps peak Vinge, but him only relative to bodyweight) somehow has access to rates of aerobic metabolism anyone else doesn't. That's a puzzle. Perhaps the CO inhalation thing is part of the cocktail but I'm not sold it being the whole story.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I almost wanted to say today but Teddy once said he's clean so can't decide on this one.

 

[Red Rick]

Lol.

I didn't think they'd ride at this speed in my time.

"If they ever tell my story. Let them say I watched in a time of giants. Men shitpost and fall like the winter wheat, but these names shall never die. Let them say I shitposted in the time of Vingegaard, the catcher of fish. Let them say... I memed... in the time of Pogacar"

 

[solo80k]

Pog looked almost bored riding behind Vingo for kilometers up the Plateau de Beille, today. Then he yawned and turned on the turbochargers. Pog's emphatic win today (stage 15 of the 2024 TDF) is a worthy addition to the other memorable nuke blasts posted in this thread. Chapeau, Teddy.

KO incoming, Pog bored.

I was thinking exactly the same with about 6 km from the finish. Next Pog decided he's seen enough from the competition.

 

[repoman]

this is up there only with Landis even close IMO. even all the wild *** Indurain did made more sense. Lance only won AdH 2004 by 1:01.

Landis took something like 5 min back that day, but at least half of that was from out descending everyone else, completely overrated as far as unbelievable performances are concerned imo.


Pog is bonkers for the point that others have pointed out, he is demolishing everyone on climbs...ok, but it's that he can do classics of his choosing, has a nasty sprint, and also dusted everyone to an embarrassing degree in the Giro with no signs of fatigue in this TdF that really is taking the cake as far as mutants. Nothing can come close to this year for him.
Vingegaard said he did his absolute power record on this climb and still lost a minute, a guy that weighs probably 6-7kg less on a steep climb.

 

[Monoxidator]

Landis took something like 5 min back that day, but at least half of that was from out descending everyone else, completely overrated as far as unbelievable performances are concerned imo.


Pog is bonkers for the point that others have pointed out, he is demolishing everyone on climbs...ok, but it's that he can do classics of his choosing, has a nasty sprint, and also dusted everyone to an embarrassing degree in the Giro with no signs of fatigue in this TdF that really is taking the cake as far as mutants. Nothing can come close to this year for him.
Vingegaard said he did his absolute power record on this climb and still lost a minute.

Agreed, today may be a tipping point.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Since I've been watching cycling off the top of my head..
Floyd Landis 2006 - Morzine (my personal fave)
Fabian Cancellara 2010 - RRV up the Mur.
Froome 2013 - Mont Ventoux
Froome 2018 - Giro, Landis 2.0
Pogačar 2020 - LPDBF TDF
Pogačar 2021 - TDF stage 8 (big ringing it up the Col de la Colombier)
Wout Van Aert - 2022 TDF in general.
Jonas Vingegaard - 2023 TDF stage 16 ITT
MVDP - 2024 RVV and PR.
Pogačar in general 2024.

 

[Akuryo]

Since I've been watching cycling off the top of my head..
Floyd Landis 2006 - Morzine (my personal fave)
Fabian Cancellara 2010 - RRV up the Mur.
Froome 2013 - Mont Ventoux
Froome 2018 - Giro, Landis 2.0
Pogačar 2020 - LPDBF TDF
Pogačar 2021 - TDF stage 8 (big ringing it up the Col de la Colombier)
Wout Van Aert - 2022 TDF in general.
Jonas Vingegaard - 2023 TDF stage 16 ITT
MVDP - 2024 RVV and PR.
Pogačar in general 2024.

Was van der Poel really juiced up so much or was it lack of competition this year? Quickstep have taken a big hit in form on cobbles for 2-3 years now with few exceptions, Van Aert not present, ... a quick look at the top 10 of both races and you'd think "who of these guys was supposed to beat him?". So while he was undeniably good; the rest of the peloton was also really weak compared to previous editions. So your average Van der Poel race looked way more impressive against this "lesser competition". I went into the broadcast fully expecting him to smash everyone in attendance which was not the case 2 years ago against in form Van Aert, Asgreen, Sagan, etc.

 

[AmRacer]

Was van der Poel really juiced up so much or was it lack of competition this year? Quickstep have taken a big hit in form on cobbles for 2-3 years now with few exceptions, Van Aert not present, ... a quick look at the top 10 of both races and you'd think "who of these guys was supposed to beat him?". So while he was undeniably good; the rest of the peloton was also really weak compared to previous editions. So your average Van der Poel race looked way more impressive against this "lesser competition". I went into the broadcast fully expecting him to smash everyone in attendance which was not the case 2 years ago against in form Van Aert, Asgreen, Sagan, etc.

Comparable with Pogis spring campaign. Weak competition.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Was van der Poel really juiced up so much or was it lack of competition this year? Quickstep have taken a big hit in form on cobbles for 2-3 years now with few exceptions, Van Aert not present, ... a quick look at the top 10 of both races and you'd think "who of these guys was supposed to beat him?". So while he was undeniably good; the rest of the peloton was also really weak compared to previous editions. So your average Van der Poel race looked way more impressive against this "lesser competition". I went into the broadcast fully expecting him to smash everyone in attendance which was not the case 2 years ago against in form Van Aert, Asgreen, Sagan, etc.

Yeah I'll give you that.

 

[42x16ss]

I almost wanted to say today but Teddy once said he's clean so can't decide on this one.

3:30 faster than Pantani

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Pantani.

Cleans!

 

[Gigs_98]

I am guessing using your reasoning McNulty now has a bit of a free pass to go crazy in the future since he has done it before, right?

So thanks to Ilmaestro liking a bunch of comments I went back to this thread again and I found this reply, which I think was meant as a slight against me, because clearly McNulty would repeat this kind of performance in the future, refuting my argument. Well it's been over two years and still nothing of that sort.

For his entire career a good TT'er who can climb pretty well who had that one day where he could ride the entirety of the TdF gc field, except Pogacar and Vingegaard, off his wheel with two climbs to go and keeping that pace to finish 1:30 in front of the next best gc guy. Still think that performance is the biggest outlier of this entire era. It just doesn't make sense that, conveniently just when Pogacar has lost his final good mountain dom, someone else can step in, deliver the mythical climbing performance and then never show that kind of level again.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Still think that performance is the biggest outlier of this entire era.

I agree that it is up there. For me Mark Padun putting around 1 minute into almost all of the GC guys on la Plagne was a considerably bigger outlier - then only to follow it up with a raid the next day. Dropping Vingegaard for fun. The climbing times of La Plagne and Joux Plane were insanely high level performances.

He did nothing of that sort before (even when some people claimed he did?!), and did basically nothing after. At least Mcnulty is a consistent world-class rider -Padun is where?

 

[zlev11]

So thanks to Ilmaestro liking a bunch of comments I went back to this thread again and I found this reply, which I think was meant as a slight against me, because clearly McNulty would repeat this kind of performance in the future, refuting my argument. Well it's been over two years and still nothing of that sort.

For his entire career a good TT'er who can climb pretty well who had that one day where he could ride the entirety of the TdF gc field, except Pogacar and Vingegaard, off his wheel with two climbs to go and keeping that pace to finish 1:30 in front of the next best gc guy. Still think that performance is the biggest outlier of this entire era. It just doesn't make sense that, conveniently just when Pogacar has lost his final good mountain dom, someone else can step in, deliver the mythical climbing performance and then never show that kind of level again.

yeah that stage was the day of demarcation, when it really started getting scary and out of control. UAE just picked two riders and had them do the climbing performances of their career to try to get rid of Vingegaard. McNulty did 6.5 w/kg for 23 minutes on the Azet and then followed it up with 6.3 w/kg on Peyregudes, out of nowhere.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I agree that it is up there. For me Mark Padun putting around 1 minute into almost all of the GC guys on la Plagne was a considerably bigger outlier - then only to follow it up with a raid the next day. Dropping Vingegaard for fun. The climbing times of La Plagne and Joux Plane were insanely high level performances.

He did nothing of that sort before (even when some people claimed he did?!), and did basically nothing after. At least Mcnulty is a consistent world-class rider -Padun is where?

Still out on the road trying to finish that Tour of Slovakia stage I think.

 

[ice&fire]

UCI is doing an awesome job going after the small fish when I open this thread two days after the WC RR comedy to find we're discussing Mark Padun.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

UCI is doing an awesome job going after the small fish when I open this thread two days after the WC RR comedy to find we're discussing Mark Padun.

Who the UCI is not going after. What‘s the point? That there‘s more than one rider in cycling?

 

[Pozzovivo]

UCI is doing an awesome job going after the small fish when I open this thread two days after the WC RR comedy to find we're discussing Mark Padun.

Because it was one of the most memorable *cough* upsets of the last decade. And what happened to our man Mark? Don't think UCI did anything.

Pog winning ain't interesting nor memorable.

 

[Red Rick]

Because it was one of the most memorable *cough* upsets of the last decade. And what happened to our man Mark? Don't think UCI did anything.

Pog winning ain't interesting nor memorable.

Don't pay back million, you have a problem.

Don't pay back a billion, the bank has a problem.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Don't pay back million, you have a problem.

Don't pay back a billion, the bank has a problem.

Are you implying that big name riders can cheat with impunity but small name riders get shut down immidiately after cheating ?

This requires UCI to be both competent in catching cheaters and completely corrupt. I see little evidence for either.