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Levi, at least in the US. 105th with 35 points (behind Julian Dean even) is pathetic when compared to the hype he gets in Velonews, etc. And people accuse Tom Danielson of not living up to his "potential"... 
For The World said:Juan Antonio Flecha.
He's constantly talked about by many, many cycling commentators as being a "big threat" in classics races, but never materialises apart from his 4 major wins in the last ten years.
that's unfair - you get the feeling renshaw could win more races if he wasn't made to start his sprint 500m too early. how can a leadout man be overrated anyway?The Hitch said:Renshaw seeing as Cav manages well enough without him?
How is he not a big threat? No one ever talks about him as the top favourite. "Big threat" sounds about right.For The World said:Juan Antonio Flecha.
He's constantly talked about by many, many cycling commentators as being a "big threat" in classics races, but never materialises apart from his 4 major wins in the last ten years.
blaxland said:Valverde,Ballan and Ebh....and also Gerrans.
The Hitch said:Valverde? No one treats him as one of the all time greats, and yet hes done it all. Classics, monuments Gts, Stage race after stage race after stage race.
Wins bunch sprints. Wins time trials. Wins mtfs.
Id say underated.
blaxland said:Valverde,Ballan and Ebh....and also Gerrans.
In this kind of debate, and actually in this subforum altogether, it's better to leave the PEDs out and just take all non-busted performances as they are. For Valverde, 2007-2010 is kosher. He's underrated in that regard.blaxland said:But in my opinion,would he win without P*d's?Not as much...
delbified said:that's unfair - you get the feeling renshaw could win more races if he wasn't made to start his sprint 500m too early. how can a leadout man be overrated anyway?
Damn straight. He's my choice as most overrated, at least over here.shouldawouldacoulda said:... I'll vote Hincapie - most over hyped current pro. At least as far as english cycling media is concerned.
I'm looking forward to when he retires so I don't have to hear how "he's a major threat to win Roubaix" ever again.
Another good choice, although at least he has had some recent GT podium presence. Lately he targets small races and this year didn't succeed there either.Greyhound Velo said:Levi, at least in the US.
If we take that route this whole thread needs to be revisited and relocated.blaxland said:But in my opinion,would he win without P*d's?Not as much...
For The World said:Juan Antonio Flecha.
He's constantly talked about by many, many cycling commentators as being a "big threat" in classics races, but never materialises apart from his 4 major wins in the last ten years.
hrotha said:In this kind of debate, and actually in this subforum altogether, it's better to leave the PEDs out and just take all non-busted performances as they are. For Valverde, 2007-2010 is kosher. He's underrated in that regard.
Flecha's actually pretty fast, he won the Meisterschaft von Zürich in a reduced bunch sprint beating guys like Bettini. The problem is you're not going to look fast if you have to duke it out with the likes of Boonen and Hushovd, although I suppose it's possible that he's lost some of his punch by now.ingsve said:Flechas problem is that he can't sprint even if his life depended on it so while he is very often strong in races and always in contention he can't finish the job unless he goes solo. That makes him forgettable a lot of the time.
hrotha said:Flecha's actually pretty fast, he won the Meisterschaft von Zürich in a reduced bunch sprint beating guys like Bettini. The problem is you're not going to look fast if you have to duke it out with the likes of Boonen and Hushovd, although I suppose it's possible that he's lost some of his punch by now.
ingsve said:Well I haven't payed very close attention to him before this year but from what I've seen this year he hasn't been that fast.
That Zürich win was six years ago so it's possible he was faster in the past.
hrotha said:How is he not a big threat? No one ever talks about him as the top favourite. "Big threat" sounds about right.
simo1733 said:i think flecha was sky's best signing.What does that say about the rest of them