How about Anita Wlodarczyk, the Polish hammer thrower who broke her own world record at the games, with a throw of 82.29 meters. She holds the top eight throws of all time. Betty Heidler of Germany holds the second best throw of all time for all women other than Wlodarczyk with 79.42 metres.
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I'm not denying that it wasn't suspicious, but it's nowhere near as suspicious as GVA suddenly becoming good enough to drop De Gendt on the climbs in the Tour which led to him winning that climbers' race in Rio or Kristin Armstrong's TT or Frank Skinner suddenly becoming so good at Rio.
And the most suspicious performances in Rio were by far in athletics and swimming (and boxing but for completely different reasons), not in cycling
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I'm not denying that it wasn't suspicious, but it's nowhere near as suspicious as GVA suddenly becoming good enough to drop De Gendt on the climbs in the Tour which led to him winning that climbers' race in Rio or Kristin Armstrong's TT or Frank Skinner suddenly becoming so good at Rio.
And the most suspicious performances in Rio were by far in athletics and swimming (and boxing but for completely different reasons), not in cycling
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And more importantly why should he bother shaping his training towards one prologue when he can focus on taking six stages at the Tour instead. Oh because someone on a forum thinks that they're one dimensional and thus have less talent than more versatile, and ultimately less successful, cyclists
TMP402 said:
And more importantly why should he bother shaping his training towards one prologue when he can focus on taking six stages at the Tour instead. Oh because someone on a forum thinks that they're one dimensional and thus have less talent than more versatile, and ultimately less successful, cyclists
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He got beaten by Viviani in the Omnium, that's how bad he is. If that's suspicious than 99.999% of the peloton is suspicious. Cav's a one-trick pony and will always remain one. And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt. 
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Your tired rehashing of this stock answer about Cavendish and track cycling gets less convincing every time you're forced to use it by the intervention of facts to disprove your argument.
El Pistolero said:He got beaten by Viviani in the Omnium, that's how bad he is. If that's suspicious than 99.999% of the peloton is suspicious. Cav's a one-trick pony and will always remain one. And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
Your tired rehashing of this stock answer about Cavendish and track cycling gets less convincing every time you're forced to use it by the intervention of facts to disprove your argument.
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GVA's win is an interesting/good point.
I like him, as do most - few would begrudge his win after so many years being a nearly man.
But the most visible doping marker in cycling is when a non-climber suddenly starts climbing with or better than the climbers.
GVA has been alright in Amstel, usually working for Gilbert. You wouldn't say he's without climbing talent. But the way he climbed in the tour to defend yellow + Olympics - looks like a pretty big transformation right?
He's not dropping Nibali like Cummings did in his stage win (that was really something), but he's able to ride defensively in a way that seems implausible given his physique.
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GVA's win is an interesting/good point.
I like him, as do most - few would begrudge his win after so many years being a nearly man.
But the most visible doping marker in cycling is when a non-climber suddenly starts climbing with or better than the climbers.
GVA has been alright in Amstel, usually working for Gilbert. You wouldn't say he's without climbing talent. But the way he climbed in the tour to defend yellow + Olympics - looks like a pretty big transformation right?
He's not dropping Nibali like Cummings did in his stage win (that was really something), but he's able to ride defensively in a way that seems implausible given his physique.
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Again, Cummings is obviously very suspicious, but Impey (who again has improved his climbing drastically recently tbf, and thus should probably be discussed in here) dropped Nibali that day.
And yeah, incredibly happy for GVA, especially after what happened to him at RVV, but that doesn't make him immune from suspicion
The Hegelian said:
Again, Cummings is obviously very suspicious, but Impey (who again has improved his climbing drastically recently tbf, and thus should probably be discussed in here) dropped Nibali that day.
And yeah, incredibly happy for GVA, especially after what happened to him at RVV, but that doesn't make him immune from suspicion
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I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
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Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
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Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.[/quote]
What the hell as that sentence got to do with cycling in any way shape or form?
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.[/quote]
What the hell as that sentence got to do with cycling in any way shape or form?
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He's not the most popular outside UK, no. But unfortunately for you, not everyone else outside the UK shares your opinion.
Anyway, like Sagan, Cav comes across very well in interviews as long as you're not shoving a microphone in his face 5 seconds after a race where he's messed up.
And the reason that he's so famous is because he's the best ever at what he does. If you compare that to someone like Nibali or Gilbert, are they the best climber, even of their generation? No. Best stage racers? No. Best cobbled specialists? No. Best descenders? No. Best punchers? There's potentially an argument for Gilbert, I'll give you that, but he doesn't come close once you start looking outside his generation.
Cav on the other hand...
Just because you don't appreciate a sprint, doesn't make it any less impressive. That's like hating on Bolt because he has nowhere near enough endurance to even keep up with that main body of runners over a 5000m, let alone be a factor. You have no problems with appreciating the art of a short explosive effort there though
El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
He's not the most popular outside UK, no. But unfortunately for you, not everyone else outside the UK shares your opinion.
Anyway, like Sagan, Cav comes across very well in interviews as long as you're not shoving a microphone in his face 5 seconds after a race where he's messed up.
And the reason that he's so famous is because he's the best ever at what he does. If you compare that to someone like Nibali or Gilbert, are they the best climber, even of their generation? No. Best stage racers? No. Best cobbled specialists? No. Best descenders? No. Best punchers? There's potentially an argument for Gilbert, I'll give you that, but he doesn't come close once you start looking outside his generation.
Cav on the other hand...
Just because you don't appreciate a sprint, doesn't make it any less impressive. That's like hating on Bolt because he has nowhere near enough endurance to even keep up with that main body of runners over a 5000m, let alone be a factor. You have no problems with appreciating the art of a short explosive effort there though
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Bolt's events only take around 10 to 20 seconds. Cav's events take around 5-7 hours with the same amount of action as the events Bolt participates in (if not less). That's why nobody gives a *** about Cav outside of Great Britain. The 100m in track & field is considered the most prestigious event. Winning the Tour is considered the most prestigious thing in cycling. Something Nibali accomplished and Cav never will.
Sprinters belong on the track, not the road. Cycling could become a bigger sport if we'd ditch all flat stages entirely. Not everything needs to be mountainous of course, just add some hills to the final to give more riders a chance for victory.
And Cav's an unpleasant character pretty much all the time. He has shown that on and off the road plenty of times.
Winning on Mont Ventoux is worth about 5 flat stages if you ask me, if not more.
PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
He's not the most popular outside UK, no. But unfortunately for you, not everyone else outside the UK shares your opinion.
Anyway, like Sagan, Cav comes across very well in interviews as long as you're not shoving a microphone in his face 5 seconds after a race where he's messed up.
And the reason that he's so famous is because he's the best ever at what he does. If you compare that to someone like Nibali or Gilbert, are they the best climber, even of their generation? No. Best stage racers? No. Best cobbled specialists? No. Best descenders? No. Best punchers? There's potentially an argument for Gilbert, I'll give you that, but he doesn't come close once you start looking outside his generation.
Cav on the other hand...
Just because you don't appreciate a sprint, doesn't make it any less impressive. That's like hating on Bolt because he has nowhere near enough endurance to even keep up with that main body of runners over a 5000m, let alone be a factor. You have no problems with appreciating the art of a short explosive effort there though
Bolt's events only take around 10 to 20 seconds. Cav's events take around 5-7 hours with the same amount of action as the events Bolt participates in (if not less). That's why nobody gives a *** about Cav outside of Great Britain. The 100m in track & field is considered the most prestigious event. Winning the Tour is considered the most prestigious thing in cycling. Something Nibali accomplished and Cav never will.
Sprinters belong on the track, not the road. Cycling could become a bigger sport if we'd ditch all flat stages entirely. Not everything needs to be mountainous of course, just add some hills to the final to give more riders a chance for victory.
And Cav's an unpleasant character pretty much all the time. He has shown that on and off the road plenty of times.
Winning on Mont Ventoux is worth about 5 flat stages if you ask me, if not more.
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Explain this last sentence please.El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
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How many white people do you see at the 100 and 200 meter sprint? Track & Field is an international sport, popular across the world. Cycling is very much a European sport, with a limited talent pool compared to Track & Field.
Afro-Americans (i.e. people from West-Africa) have a body type that is better suited to sprinting (longer legs). White people have a better body type for swimming events (longer torsos and arms). Although a lot of black Americans in the USA never learned to swim (in part due to segregation, there are little to no swimming pool where they usually live), so they're underrepresented in that area of sport.
Irondan said:Explain this last sentence please.El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
How many white people do you see at the 100 and 200 meter sprint? Track & Field is an international sport, popular across the world. Cycling is very much a European sport, with a limited talent pool compared to Track & Field.
Afro-Americans (i.e. people from West-Africa) have a body type that is better suited to sprinting (longer legs). White people have a better body type for swimming events (longer torsos and arms). Although a lot of black Americans in the USA never learned to swim (in part due to segregation, there are little to no swimming pool where they usually live), so they're underrepresented in that area of sport.
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Got it, thanks.El Pistolero said:Irondan said:Explain this last sentence please.El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:And to top it all off, he'll never be as famous as real sprinters like Usain Bolt.
I'm sure he's gutted, especially as the most famous active cyclist in the world bar maybe Contador and Froome
Lol, Sagan is twice as popular and famous as Cavendish and he's only 26.
Outside of Great Britain Cav is despised. If that's what it takes to be famous I'd rather not be.
Cav's just lucky cycling isn't popular with Afro-Americans.
How many white people do you see at the 100 and 200 meter sprint? Track & Field is an international sport, popular across the world. Cycling is very much a European sport, with a limited talent pool compared to Track & Field.
Afro-Americans (i.e. people from West-Africa) have a body type that is better suited to sprinting (longer legs). White people have a better body type for swimming events (longer torsos and arms).
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Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.
Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.
Flat roads make up the majority of all terrain in any given country. If anything there are too many hills mountains and cobbles because this does not reflect the true proportion of terrain found naturally. So to completely exclude flat finishes is ridiculous, because they should be, and are, an important part of cycling. What you're saying is route organisers should completely discriminate against those guys who have amazing explosivity, bike handling skills and aerodynamics in favour of endurance athletes who are all 100% reliant on doping. At least there's an element of skill to sprinting (and descending for that matter) which can never be improved due to doping
El Pistolero said:Bolt's events only take around 10 to 20 seconds. Cav's events take around 5-7 hours with the same amount of action as the events Bolt participates in (if not less). That's why nobody gives a **** about Cav outside of Great Britain. The 100m in track & field is considered the most prestigious event. Winning the Tour is considered the most prestigious thing in cycling. Something Nibali accomplished and Cav never will.
Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.
Well that's your opinion. Ventoux is indeed more prestigious, but 3 stages is easily a bigger achievement than Ventoux on it's own, and 1 flat stage is more prestigious than if a breakaway won on Ventoux. Again, that's just my opinion.
Flat roads make up the majority of all terrain in any given country. If anything there are too many hills mountains and cobbles because this does not reflect the true proportion of terrain found naturally. So to completely exclude flat finishes is ridiculous, because they should be, and are, an important part of cycling. What you're saying is route organisers should completely discriminate against those guys who have amazing explosivity, bike handling skills and aerodynamics in favour of endurance athletes who are all 100% reliant on doping. At least there's an element of skill to sprinting (and descending for that matter) which can never be improved due to doping
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This may be the most idiotic comment I have read here recently, and that's saying a lot.
This may be the most idiotic comment I have read here recently, and that's saying a lot.
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https://m.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/4xvz22/mark_cavendish_causes_a_crash_at_the_olympics/Winning a medal in the world's biggest sporting event, the Olympics. Something Cav accomplished and Nibali never will.
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