Most Suspicious Performance Of The Last 5 Years

[blackcat]

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What year was that Thomas Voeckler hung onto the yellow jersey until late in the tour and climbed really well against really all odds?? It was 2011. Thor's big year. Oh right, the year Contador was excluded.

Contador wasn't excluded in 2011, his results were taken away but he certainly raced and *cough* won races.
Voeckler was Nuclear in that 2011 Tour, he really only had 1 bad stage up the Alpe but outside of that he would of podium'd and he even out TT'd the Schlecks and only finished 2 minutes from Martin and Evans in the stage 20 TT. He's never looked as bulky as he was that year

nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

What year was that Thomas Voeckler hung onto the yellow jersey until late in the tour and climbed really well against really all odds?? It was 2011. Thor's big year. Oh right, the year Contador was excluded.

Contador wasn't excluded in 2011, his results were taken away but he certainly raced and *cough* won races.
Voeckler was Nuclear in that 2011 Tour, he really only had 1 bad stage up the Alpe but outside of that he would of podium'd and he even out TT'd the Schlecks and only finished 2 minutes from Martin and Evans in the stage 20 TT. He's never looked as bulky as he was that year

nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

Ah you could be right about that, maybe it was because he was leaner with his muscle mass looking more difined that made him look bulkier to my eye. Also agree that he wasn't on the Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, LRP (love that nickname) magic weight loss stuff because if he was he would of won that Tour

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

What year was that Thomas Voeckler hung onto the yellow jersey until late in the tour and climbed really well against really all odds?? It was 2011. Thor's big year. Oh right, the year Contador was excluded.

Contador wasn't excluded in 2011, his results were taken away but he certainly raced and *cough* won races.
Voeckler was Nuclear in that 2011 Tour, he really only had 1 bad stage up the Alpe but outside of that he would of podium'd and he even out TT'd the Schlecks and only finished 2 minutes from Martin and Evans in the stage 20 TT. He's never looked as bulky as he was that year

nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

Ah you could be right about that, maybe it was because he was leaner with his muscle mass looking more difined that made him look bulkier to my eye. Also agree that he wasn't on the Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, LRP (love that nickname) magic weight loss stuff because if he was he would of won that Tour

soccer players and AFL footballers all on this lipotropin peptide too. In Australia, it goes by the tradename AOD or AOD-9604. The soccer players who were 5'11" and 77 kg, are now the same athlete, but 5'11" and 74. In AFL, they are 6'1" 84 when they were 6'1" 87kg for the same physique, You can see it in the 31 inch waists and massive shoulders and V shape torso

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

De Gendt's third place in the Giro is worthy of a mention. Came out of nowhere and he has done nothing since.

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

What year was that Thomas Voeckler hung onto the yellow jersey until late in the tour and climbed really well against really all odds?? It was 2011. Thor's big year. Oh right, the year Contador was excluded.

Contador wasn't excluded in 2011, his results were taken away but he certainly raced and *cough* won races.
Voeckler was Nuclear in that 2011 Tour, he really only had 1 bad stage up the Alpe but outside of that he would of podium'd and he even out TT'd the Schlecks and only finished 2 minutes from Martin and Evans in the stage 20 TT. He's never looked as bulky as he was that year

nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

Ah you could be right about that, maybe it was because he was leaner with his muscle mass looking more difined that made him look bulkier to my eye. Also agree that he wasn't on the Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, LRP (love that nickname) magic weight loss stuff because if he was he would of won that Tour

soccer players and AFL footballers all on this lipotropin peptide too. In Australia, it goes by the tradename AOD or AOD-9604. The soccer players who were 5'11" and 77 kg, are now the same athlete, but 5'11" and 74. In AFL, they are 6'1" 84 when they were 6'1" 87kg for the same physique, You can see it in the 31 inch waists and massive shoulders and V shape torso

I don't follow the AFL fanatically but have noticed the change in shape of the players over the last decade, trying to explain to the average AFL fan that it's doping related and not the whole better training, nutrition blah blah is like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Re: Re:

What year was that Thomas Voeckler hung onto the yellow jersey until late in the tour and climbed really well against really all odds?? It was 2011. Thor's big year. Oh right, the year Contador was excluded.

Contador wasn't excluded in 2011, his results were taken away but he certainly raced and *cough* won races.
Voeckler was Nuclear in that 2011 Tour, he really only had 1 bad stage up the Alpe but outside of that he would of podium'd and he even out TT'd the Schlecks and only finished 2 minutes from Martin and Evans in the stage 20 TT. He's never looked as bulky as he was that year

Ah, the Schlecks. I'd almost forgotten that was a thing.

 

[42x16ss]

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nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

Ah you could be right about that, maybe it was because he was leaner with his muscle mass looking more difined that made him look bulkier to my eye. Also agree that he wasn't on the Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, LRP (love that nickname) magic weight loss stuff because if he was he would of won that Tour

soccer players and AFL footballers all on this lipotropin peptide too. In Australia, it goes by the tradename AOD or AOD-9604. The soccer players who were 5'11" and 77 kg, are now the same athlete, but 5'11" and 74. In AFL, they are 6'1" 84 when they were 6'1" 87kg for the same physique, You can see it in the 31 inch waists and massive shoulders and V shape torso

I don't follow the AFL fanatically but have noticed the change in shape of the players over the last decade, trying to explain to the average AFL fan that it's doping related and not the whole better training, nutrition blah blah is like banging your head against a brick wall.

It's hilarious. I've pointed out stuff like John Worsfold being a highly trained pharmacist only to get laughed at and told "our guys don't do that stuff". Then there's Dank with Geelong and Essendon

Nothing worse than the wilful blind.

 

[uphillstruggle]

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De Gendt's third place in the Giro is worthy of a mention. Came out of nowhere and he has done nothing since.

Not arguing that he was clean but that wasn't the most standout of performances. Vetoo calculated he did around 5 WPKg, that number is possible for a clean rider. The Ryder/Purito group were riding the same speed - hence them losing 3 minutes or whatever it was. The question that baffles me is why purito couldn't push more than that?

 

[jens_attacks]

Re: Re:

De Gendt's third place in the Giro is worthy of a mention. Came out of nowhere and he has done nothing since.

Not arguing that he was clean but that wasn't the most standout of performances. Vetoo calculated he did around 5 WPKg, that number is possible for a clean rider. The Ryder/Purito group were riding the same speed - hence them losing 3 minutes or whatever it was. The question that baffles me is why purito couldn't push more than that?

because stelvio is a more than one hour climb at much above 1600 meters.

 

[Escarabajo]

Jens beat me to it.

Because of the length of the Stelvio.

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

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nah, Titi Voeckler leaned up.

Not much, but i reckon ~3 lbs. 3 lighter. not heavier.

I dont think he was on the lipotropin peptide diet that froome wiggins nibali are on.

Ah you could be right about that, maybe it was because he was leaner with his muscle mass looking more difined that made him look bulkier to my eye. Also agree that he wasn't on the Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, LRP (love that nickname) magic weight loss stuff because if he was he would of won that Tour

soccer players and AFL footballers all on this lipotropin peptide too. In Australia, it goes by the tradename AOD or AOD-9604. The soccer players who were 5'11" and 77 kg, are now the same athlete, but 5'11" and 74. In AFL, they are 6'1" 84 when they were 6'1" 87kg for the same physique, You can see it in the 31 inch waists and massive shoulders and V shape torso

I don't follow the AFL fanatically but have noticed the change in shape of the players over the last decade, trying to explain to the average AFL fan that it's doping related and not the whole better training, nutrition blah blah is like banging your head against a brick wall.

It's hilarious. I've pointed out stuff like John Worsfold being a highly trained pharmacist only to get laughed at and told "our guys don't do that stuff". Then there's Dank with Geelong and Essendon

Nothing worse than the wilful blind.

Nah mate it's a "supplements" scandal and not a doping scandal
Dank was at Geelong when they started winning everything wasn't he? Anyway I guess I should be discussing this in the 'Aussies don't dope' thread buuuuut for the Oz folk then Hawthorn winning 3 straight Grand Finals can fall into best doping performances in the last 5 years

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Re: Re:

De Gendt's third place in the Giro is worthy of a mention. Came out of nowhere and he has done nothing since.

Not arguing that he was clean but that wasn't the most standout of performances. Vetoo calculated he did around 5 WPKg, that number is possible for a clean rider. The Ryder/Purito group were riding the same speed - hence them losing 3 minutes or whatever it was. The question that baffles me is why purito couldn't push more than that?

It's his performance in relation to his other results which makes it so ridiculous. Obviously there have been many far superior performances by other riders.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

De Gendt's third place in the Giro is worthy of a mention. Came out of nowhere and he has done nothing since.

Not arguing that he was clean but that wasn't the most standout of performances. Vetoo calculated he did around 5 WPKg, that number is possible for a clean rider. The Ryder/Purito group were riding the same speed - hence them losing 3 minutes or whatever it was. The question that baffles me is why purito couldn't push more than that?

because stelvio is a more than one hour climb at much above 1600 meters.

Stelvio is an absolute beast. Even if you ride up it at a steady effort, your heart rate will be a good 10-15 bpm higher in the second half of the climb due to the altitude. When you get really high, you have to be that bit more conservative with your efforts.

De Ghendt had trained a LOT on the Stelvio prior to the 2012 Giro and obviously knew what he could sustain while Purito and Hesjedal weren't as familiar.

 

[blackcat]

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I don't follow the AFL fanatically but have noticed the change in shape of the players over the last decade, trying to explain to the average AFL fan that it's doping related and not the whole better training, nutrition blah blah is like banging your head against a brick wall.

but like the rugby union players over the last two decades, the AFL players also stacked on about an extra 15lbs for the equivalent physique(pending on the position they played). In Rugby Union, p'raps was 20lbs. A rover in australian rules tho, it would be less than the 15 ofcourse. But if you think back to the advent of doping in the AFL, the guys like Brereton, Conlan, then remember the West Coast teams, Dwayne Lamb was a huge rover. he would have been naturally huge. But just not that huge. He was more huge.

 

[blackcat]

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Stelvio is an absolute beast. Even if you ride up it at a steady effort, your heart rate will be a good 10-15 bpm higher in the second half of the climb due to the altitude. When you get really high, you have to be that bit more conservative with your efforts.

De Ghendt had trained a LOT on the Stelvio prior to the 2012 Giro and obviously knew what he could sustain while Purito and Hesjedal weren't as familiar.

but was de ghendt ever a grimpeur? I thought he was more one of those punchy riders on the walloon bergs

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

soccer players and AFL footballers all on this lipotropin peptide too. In Australia, it goes by the tradename AOD or AOD-9604. The soccer players who were 5'11" and 77 kg, are now the same athlete, but 5'11" and 74. In AFL, they are 6'1" 84 when they were 6'1" 87kg for the same physique, You can see it in the 31 inch waists and massive shoulders and V shape torso

I don't follow the AFL fanatically but have noticed the change in shape of the players over the last decade, trying to explain to the average AFL fan that it's doping related and not the whole better training, nutrition blah blah is like banging your head against a brick wall.

the worst were der mannschaft the German national team who took all before them at the World Cup last year.

They all had the phyisques of Gareth Bale the Welsh footballer of Real Madrid by way of Tottenham. good left winger he is. If only the English National team had him thru the period of 1995-2005 they would have won some major championships.

Gareth Bale and the 30 1/2 inch waist. Exaclty like all der mannschaft

 

[whynotme101]

For me, Chris Horner winning in spain. Just his age, the way he won and so on

 

[burning]

For some reason, I was thinking about Tronet and Van Hecke, their national championship wins are really weird even though Tronet won a stage in Route de Sud a few days ago before his win, they probably had odds like 500+ or even no odds to win their nat champs.

I don't think the reason is clinic related, I just found this thread and just didn't want to open another thread, still both of the victories are really weird for me.

 

[dacooley]

froome 2011 till now
contador - the whole career
wiggins - the whole career
horner the 2013 vuelta
maxime iglinskiy lbl 2012

all of them are freakishly doped, though. really difficult to draw the line between bigger or lesser amount of doping.

 

[Cannibal72]

Surprsingly still not mentioned: Giro 2015. Mutant Contador beating basically single-handedly an extraterrestrial climbing train. Contador's time trial, Aru's stage 20, Zakarin's win...

 

[Jspear]

Surprsingly still not mentioned: Giro 2015. Mutant Contador beating basically single-handedly an extraterrestrial climbing train. Contador's time trial, Aru's stage 20, Zakarin's win...

I wouldn't call it mutant. When a rider like Froome attacks while seated, legs turning at 200 rpm's, that's mutant. When AC attacks over the course of three weeks, it's more accurate to call it beautiful.

 

[Angliru]

Surprsingly still not mentioned: Giro 2015. Mutant Contador beating basically single-handedly an extraterrestrial climbing train. Contador's time trial, Aru's stage 20, Zakarin's win...

He won because Aru had one bad day and Landa was on a leash...and he never gave up. He wasn't dominant in any way, just the most consistent of the contenders which is important in a grand tour.

 

[dacooley]

Surprsingly still not mentioned: Giro 2015. Mutant Contador beating basically single-handedly an extraterrestrial climbing train. Contador's time trial, Aru's stage 20, Zakarin's win...

I wouldn't call it mutant. When a rider like Froome attacks while seated, legs turning at 200 rpm's, that's mutant. When AC attacks over the course of three weeks, it's more accurate to call it beautiful.

and madly biased.

 

[Jspear]

Surprsingly still not mentioned: Giro 2015. Mutant Contador beating basically single-handedly an extraterrestrial climbing train. Contador's time trial, Aru's stage 20, Zakarin's win...

I wouldn't call it mutant. When a rider like Froome attacks while seated, legs turning at 200 rpm's, that's mutant. When AC attacks over the course of three weeks, it's more accurate to call it beautiful.

and madly biased.

Yes I know.
It was said tongue in cheek.

 

[Rovinin]

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Stelvio is an absolute beast. Even if you ride up it at a steady effort, your heart rate will be a good 10-15 bpm higher in the second half of the climb due to the altitude. When you get really high, you have to be that bit more conservative with your efforts.

De Ghendt had trained a LOT on the Stelvio prior to the 2012 Giro and obviously knew what he could sustain while Purito and Hesjedal weren't as familiar.

but was de ghendt ever a grimpeur? I thought he was more one of those punchy riders on the walloon bergs

He has a very big engine, but is inconsistent.
In 2011 TdF, he was 6th on Alpe d'Huez and a day later he was 4th in the TT.
He has won some medium mountain stages in Paris Nice and TdSuisse.
He isn't that great in the Ardennes Classics, he has super days and awful days, that's why he is better in stage races.