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DanielSong39 said:
We'll see the battle of motors in the Tour de France! Let's see if we get some test runs in the Criterium du Dauphine.
Watch the footage and look at Froome's right hand:
https://twitter.com/Trudgin/status/873905662119620621
How's that for a test run.

Il Cobra‏ @IlCobra21 7m7 minutes ago
No way it's gear changes.
Incremental increase of 2W per pressing to make power profile look not suspicious like Ventoux?

Hoggus Maximus‏ @maximus_hoggus
Agreed as his cadence stays relatively the same. I would agree it's a subtle 2-5w+ power assisted motor.

When you hear guys like Floyd and Rasmussen pretend motors aren't an issue, too risky, etc., the only logical question is did they maybe have a taste of it themselves?
 
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LaFlorecita said:
https://twitter.com/140CharTerror/status/873945272925261824

Someone pointed out both Fuglsang and Contador are fiddling with something as well
I know I move my hands around a LOT during a ride, especially when it's tough riding. My hands go numb at times when I don't keep them moving around but this video seems way too deliberate to call it just moving around.

I'm usually a skeptic when I see these video's but this one is very interesting... :confused:
 
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sniper said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621
I've seen Froome do it in other races too, and always whilst looking at his computer.

Would love to hear Jeroen Swart's explanation :lol:
I guess I would too.. @Jeroen?
 
Hi. I asked this on the Giro thread but feel it got lost a bit.

This year they had the rider's power outputs on display during the race.

Is this the beginning of transparency, and if so is motor use now going to be impossible?
 
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thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.
 
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red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

See the replies to Flo's link above about the latest Di2 DA
 
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laurensde+ said:
red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

See the replies to Flo's link above about the latest Di2 DA

You're referring to the "bump" button? Again, I don't know how they could have a piece of equipment that has a dial on it and not get busted, so I remain skeptical, but he was not fiddling with a button in that clip. He was turning something.
 
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Irondan said:
LaFlorecita said:
https://twitter.com/140CharTerror/status/873945272925261824

Someone pointed out both Fuglsang and Contador are fiddling with something as well
I know I move my hands around a LOT during a ride, especially when it's tough riding. My hands go numb at times when I don't keep them moving around but this video seems way too deliberate to call it just moving around.

I'm usually a skeptic when I see these video's but this one is very interesting... :confused:

You tap-tap-tap-tap-tap your hoods while going numb?? As a seventeen year-old, one of my first lessons was to climb while relaxing my shoulders and loosening my hands as if to play the piano. Open the chest so as to get full volume on each breath stroke.

John Swanson
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
Irondan said:
LaFlorecita said:
https://twitter.com/140CharTerror/status/873945272925261824

Someone pointed out both Fuglsang and Contador are fiddling with something as well
I know I move my hands around a LOT during a ride, especially when it's tough riding. My hands go numb at times when I don't keep them moving around but this video seems way too deliberate to call it just moving around.

I'm usually a skeptic when I see these video's but this one is very interesting... :confused:

You tap-tap-tap-tap-tap your hoods while going numb?? As a seventeen year-old, one of my first lessons was to climb while relaxing my shoulders and loosening my hands as if to play the piano. Open the chest so as to get full volume on each breath stroke.

John Swanson
No, I don't tap my hoods when my hands start to go numb, I just move them around. That's why I have a hard time reconciling what CF was doing with his hands in that clip.

Thanks for the tip though, I'll give it a try. :)
 
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red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

Yeah, he could be pushing a button, on another look I was out to lunch. Never mind.
 
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Irondan said:
No, I don't tap my hoods when my hands start to go numb, I just move them around. That's why I have a hard time reconciling what CF was doing with his hands in that clip.

Thanks for the tip though, I'll give it a try. :)

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised! Most people don't realize that lungs extend to just under the collarbone. Tense, cramped arms, shoulders and chest impedes breathing and does nothing for generating power. While climbing, it's often quite useful to do frequent "system checks". Start at the toes and work upwards, asking yourself if something hurts or is unnecessarily tense. In particular, the upper body should be relaxed with the hands loosely draped on the bars.

The first time I tried this was on a weekly hill climb time trial. I went from mid to back of the pack to a top ten.

John Swanson
 
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red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

It's very odd, as it has been suggested he could be changing gears but his cadence remains relatively the same and you wouldn't change gears 37 times in 90 seconds. Another explanation was the new Garmin firmware allows you to scroll through the screens with the Di2 button, however when at threshold as Froome was you wouldn't be scrolling through 87 screens. My thought is he is using a incremental power assist, gentle increases of 2w each button press to make it look less obvious than his Ventoux sham.

If you watch the entire stage when Froome doesn't do the thing again even when Porte catches and passes him.

As I said, nothing with Froome ever adds up, he is odd in all shapes and forms.

Last 40km here; http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Broadcast+from+Stage+8,+Last+45+Km&dashboard=criterium-du-dauphine-libere&id=EowqgqkwAog&yr=2017
 
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thehog said:
red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

It's very odd, as it has been suggested he could be changing gears but his cadence remains relatively the same and you wouldn't change gears 37 times in 90 seconds. Another explanation was the new Garmin firmware allows you to scroll through the screens with the Di2 button, however when at threshold as Froome was you wouldn't be scrolling through 87 screens. My thought is he is using a incremental power assist, gentle increases of 2w each button press to make it look less obvious than his Ventoux sham.

If you watch the entire stage when Froome doesn't do the thing again even when Porte catches and passes him.

As I said, nothing with Froome ever adds up, he is odd in all shapes and forms.

Last 40km here; http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Broadcast+from+Stage+8,+Last+45+Km&dashboard=criterium-du-dauphine-libere&id=EowqgqkwAog&yr=2017
All of this.

And "massive risk"? Not really.
Last time I checked there's about 0.001 percent chance of getting caught with a motor.

*Edited by King Boonen: Please don't imply that riders have been caught using motors when they haven't.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
Irondan said:
No, I don't tap my hoods when my hands start to go numb, I just move them around. That's why I have a hard time reconciling what CF was doing with his hands in that clip.

Thanks for the tip though, I'll give it a try. :)

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised! Most people don't realize that lungs extend to just under the collarbone. Tense, cramped arms, shoulders and chest impedes breathing and does nothing for generating power. While climbing, it's often quite useful to do frequent "system checks". Start at the toes and work upwards, asking yourself if something hurts or is unnecessarily tense. In particular, the upper body should be relaxed with the hands loosely draped on the bars.

The first time I tried this was on a weekly hill climb time trial. I went from mid to back of the pack to a top ten.

John Swanson

dauphine14-st2-Froome-Contador-e1402328854661.jpg
 
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thehog said:
red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

It's very odd, as it has been suggested he could be changing gears but his cadence remains relatively the same and you wouldn't change gears 37 times in 90 seconds. Another explanation was the new Garmin firmware allows you to scroll through the screens with the Di2 button, however when at threshold as Froome was you wouldn't be scrolling through 87 screens. My thought is he is using a incremental power assist, gentle increases of 2w each button press to make it look less obvious than his Ventoux sham.

If you watch the entire stage when Froome doesn't do the thing again even when Porte catches and passes him.

As I said, nothing with Froome ever adds up, he is odd in all shapes and forms.

Last 40km here; http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Broadcast+from+Stage+8,+Last+45+Km&dashboard=criterium-du-dauphine-libere&id=EowqgqkwAog&yr=2017

The scrolling through screens notion seems plausible, particularly if Dawg's equipment isn't working properly and he can't get it to change to the display he wants to look at. He's so glued to that thing; I could see Dawg manically pressing buttons over and over if his screen wasn't right.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
thehog said:
red_flanders said:
thehog said:
Take a look at Froome's right hand in this video compared to the other riders and his left hand.

Power assisted motor? :eek:

https://twitter.com/trudgin/status/873905662119620621

Honestly, this is the first footage I've seen that indicated something clearly suspicious. Not that I doubt there have been motors used on occasion, just haven't seen anything that made me think, "There! That rider is using one now."

That's really tough to explain otherwise. Question is how can a bike with an obvious adjustment dial like this not be a massive risk for getting caught out.

It's very odd, as it has been suggested he could be changing gears but his cadence remains relatively the same and you wouldn't change gears 37 times in 90 seconds. Another explanation was the new Garmin firmware allows you to scroll through the screens with the Di2 button, however when at threshold as Froome was you wouldn't be scrolling through 87 screens. My thought is he is using a incremental power assist, gentle increases of 2w each button press to make it look less obvious than his Ventoux sham.

If you watch the entire stage when Froome doesn't do the thing again even when Porte catches and passes him.

As I said, nothing with Froome ever adds up, he is odd in all shapes and forms.

Last 40km here; http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Broadcast+from+Stage+8,+Last+45+Km&dashboard=criterium-du-dauphine-libere&id=EowqgqkwAog&yr=2017

The scrolling through screens notion seems plausible, particularly if Dawg's equipment isn't working properly and he can't get it to change to the display he wants to look at. He's so glued to that thing; I could see Dawg manically pressing buttons over and over if his screen wasn't right.
I didn't know that his bike computer might have something to do with his hands moving in the manner that they were. Of course my bike computer doesn't give me any other option but on/off, so I wouldn't know any better....
 

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