Motor doping thread

[miguelindurain111]

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mmm...that's a no.....thanks! so why search for something not ever seen in the wider world

Yeah, we have seen the existence of Vivax type motors and how they can easily be assembled to road bikes. Wheel and hub motors in road bikes instead seem to be pure fantasy.

 

[sniper]

There are more images of a motorized rear wheel then there are of a pro sticking an EPO needle in his veins. Not even talking about aicar etc.
So you suggest we just stop testing for EPO and aicar? Legit.

 

[poupou]

Of course there is a need to weight wheels especially since there is rumours and doubts. Is it costly? Is it time consumer to check 10 bikes by stage? of course, no Confidence in sport for a such low price is great

 

[wansteadimp]

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Have you ever seen a Team Sky rider take drugs? No.

Defending Sky by denying inhalergate tsk tsk tsk!

 

[sniper]

Touche

Comparable to Roglic' glowing hub in the sense that it's no proof of wrongdoing, but something you couldn't possibly have watched without raising a couple of eyebrows.

 

[GJV1977]

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I never heard much about Lenco's video of thermal imaging camera he set up at last years Liege-Bastogne-Liege on La Roche-aux-Faucons climb about 20km from the finish where you see all the rider pass in slow motion? What was the conclusion why no riders had anything glowing? Everyone using heatshields since 2015 or nobody used their motor yet?




http://dai.ly/x473shb

I apologize if this has been discussed already but has there been explanation as to why the water bottles of two of the riders are glowing brightly? Every other water bottle is dark but these are fairly bright.

Happens at about the 5:20 mark in the video, the first two riders after the guy in the road flashing the peace sign.

 

[sniper]

If you doubt motors were widespread already in 2010 and the UCI was in on it, there's always our good friend Phat to convince you.
Paragraph #6 of this Macur item:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/sports/cycling/04tour.html

 

[Ricco']

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I never heard much about Lenco's video of thermal imaging camera he set up at last years Liege-Bastogne-Liege on La Roche-aux-Faucons climb about 20km from the finish where you see all the rider pass in slow motion? What was the conclusion why no riders had anything glowing? Everyone using heatshields since 2015 or nobody used their motor yet?




http://dai.ly/x473shb

I apologize if this has been discussed already but has there been explanation as to why the water bottles of two of the riders are glowing brightly? Every other water bottle is dark but these are fairly bright.

Happens at about the 5:20 mark in the video, the first two riders after the guy in the road flashing the peace sign.

It's hot tea. After all, last year's LBL was run on cold and rainy conditions.

 

[terribleone]

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mmm...that's a no.....thanks! so why search for something not ever seen in the wider world

Yeah, we have seen the existence of Vivax type motors and how they can easily be assembled to road bikes. Wheel and hub motors in road bikes instead seem to be pure fantasy.

Might wanna check this out if you've not seen it before. Some really interesting insight even if you take it with a pinch of salt. Apologies if this has been posted before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=johF_tP1JEY&t=622s

 

[sniper]

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Might wanna check this out if you've not seen it before. Some really interesting insight even if you take it with a pinch of salt. Apologies if this has been posted before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=johF_tP1JEY&t=622s

It's been posted before, but thanks for reposting it. I can understand why you thought it hadn't been posted yet. If you read through the last couple of pages with comments like "conspiracy", "more phantoms", and "pure fantasy", you get the impression many haven't bothered watching it yet.
This one with subtitles, very nice.

...'“I honestly don’t believe that there has ever been a motorized bike in the peloton because the technology is not there yet to do it secretly adding that a motor’s battery would not fit inside a bike’s frame. "

Thanks for typing it down (copy-paste didn't work). Comedy gold right here. Phat always delivers.

 

[Benotti69]

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If you doubt motors were widespread already in 2010 and the UCI was in on it, there's always our good friend Phat to convince you.
Paragraph #6 of this Macur item:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/sports/cycling/04tour.html

if this was true...imagine? how many replies would have been placed.......how unlikely
article written in 2010 would only come to my attention in 2017

so what did fat pat say '“I honestly don’t believe that there has ever been a motorized bike in the peloton because the technology is not there yet to do it secretly adding that a motor’s battery would not fit inside a bike’s frame. “But in cycling, if the suspicions are there, we’ve learned that we have to deal with those suspicions. These, like the others, are just another cloud over the sport that has dampened the sport. We’re doing all we can to get rid of those clouds.”

my interpretation is rather different to the OP..........maybe i'm too much of a realist...
should look for hidden comedy gold everywhere.........

Mark L

Not much of a realist.

McQuaid says "We’re doing all we can to get rid of those clouds." :lol:

Sure he was. UCI just ignored everything in front of the curtain that had a dark cloud hoping that it would blow over and that has always been the way until too much cloud formed and they had to something. Plenty of examples of the horse bolting before UCI shut the stable door, but then UCI never did live in the world of cleaning up the sport. That would be expecting them to be realists.

 

[sniper]

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McQuaid says "We’re doing all we can to get rid of those clouds." :lol:

"Cant stick a battery in a bike", McQuaid said, before heading off to the annual meeting of the Flat Earth Society.

 

[Benotti69]

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....this was the point i was addressing ' motors were widespread already in 2010 and the UCI was in on it'

and i'm meaning in the peloton........not just a little power assist to get granny to the shops

.......if ya think that is factual.........carry on ...........my thought was pure fantasy

Mark L

When McQuaid or anyone is the sport tells me something, i take the opposite view.

Anyone who doesn't really has not been paying attention to the history of the sport.

 

[sniper]

Prato Abetone 2015.
Nr. 2 accuses nr. 1 of motordoping.
http://www.gonews.it/2015/07/12/ciclismo-la-prato-abetone-si-tinge-di-giallo-vittoria-a-gianni-ugolini-e-chiara-turchi/
Middle fingers on the podium and everything.

 

[poupou]

I am probably missing some points, but I want to say that Phat is correct, his concern was to make disappear the clouds to reassure people, and of course sponsors, as I understand he never said he intended to tackle mechanical doping.

 

[Benotti69]

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...so the evidence for commonplace use of motors in 2010...........fat pat says otherwise....brilliant!

Mark L

Way to try and derail a thread.

Plenty of references to motors, as you well know and it was pointed that McQuaid referenced it back then and denounced it. It was merely pointed out that McQuaid denouncing something is to be taken as the opposite. See his history on Armstrong.

But you know best.

 

[sniper]

comedy gold

Speaking of which,

This is gonna be a classic in the not so distant future:
Foliforov (blue jersey), ITT, Giro 2016 up the Alpe di Siusi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H747TVM8YDw

The lack of effort is striking.
As is the fact that he completely disappeared after this win.
Ostracized for being too obvious (in addition to having the wrong passport of course)?

Makes Betancur's Hammer performance look ordinary.

 

[sniper]

More comedy gold.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/22525004

British Cycling has appointed professor Tony Purnell as head of its much-vaunted "Secret Squirrel Club" responsible for technical development.

Purnell, a former team principal of Jaguar's Formula One outfit, will be responsible for finding technological innovations to boost rider performance.

He succeeds Chris Boardman, who will continue to act as a consultant to the research and development group.
Boardman stepped down after the 2012 London Olympics.

British Cycling performance director Sir Dave Brailsford said: "We know that sustaining success is among sport's greatest challenges and the recruitment of Tony is a significant step on the road to Rio."

British Cycling's million-pound research and development department is the envy of the world and is jokingly known as The Secret Squirrel Club, taking its name from a cartoon spy character.

The team search for ways to get marginal gains utilising technological advances across sport, science, industry and the military.

Its work, which was previously headed by 1992 Olympic champion Boardman for nine years, was instrumental to Great Britain's success at the 2008 and 2012 Olympics.

Despite new restraints on the use of technology, include the banning of the plasticised skinsuits worn by Team GB in 2008, Britain won seven of the 10 track cycling events in London last summer. It prompted France to suggest that Britain was relying on illegal technology such as "magic wheels".

However, Boardman responded by insisting Britain's equipment had been approved by the sport's governing body, the International Cycling Union.

 

[sniper]

Froome insisting on changing wheels with Kwiat.
Kwiat winning today.
The way he closed the gap to Lands, Mollema, it's what you expect someone like Rodriguez to do.

Landa impressive too, after almost podiuming at the tdf.

That's some recovery from the both of them.

*** ridiculous.

Back in the days riders would peak for specific races. Now riders have year-long peaks. Pathetic.

 

[sniper]

Lol. The likes of Cyllian Kelly, ammatypioraly and innrring just keep trotting out their facts and data as if nothing's wrong.
I see them praying at night "please lord keep those motors well hidden. Don't make me look like a complete clown."

 

[hrotha]

San Sebastian is usually dominated by riders coming from the Tour. I don't see how that's surprising.

 

[capuldemetal]

http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/altro/trovata-bicicletta-truccata-corsa-amatoriale/

 

[sniper]

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San Sebastian is usually dominated by riders coming from the Tour. I don't see how that's surprising.

Fair point.
But I don't think San Sebastian is usually dominated by riders who peaked in the spring classics (Kwiat), or by riders who peaked during both the Giro and the Tour (Landa). I'll be happy to stand corrected though.

Here's an interesting stat from Kelly. It's not a straightforward stat (requires specification), but it's still indicative i think of a trend:
https://twitter.com/irishpeloton/status/891583877122273281

I don't think there's a single win in that list that was achieved without motor.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Froome insisting on changing wheels with Kwiat.
Kwiat winning today.
The way he closed the gap to Lands, Mollema, it's what you expect someone like Rodriguez to do.

Landa impressive too, after almost podiuming at the tdf.

That's some recovery from the both of them.

**** ridiculous.

Back in the days riders would peak for specific races. Now riders have year-long peaks. Pathetic.

Ehm, its very natural that riders who have been doing well in TdF is carrying shape over to San Sebastian. Just look at the front group, only Dumoulin didn't ride the Tour. So thats a very bad argument on your part.

And Kwiatkowski closed the gap on the descent. Thats not what I expect Rodriguez to do. Kwiat was clearly laboured and was only the 4th best climbers (which again was pretty expected - in fact, he was the favourite going in).

Honestly, I don't really know what you are going on about.

 

[sniper]

^see my previous post in reply to hrotha.

I don't really know what you are going on about.

yes, i noticed that.