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At one of the one day classics this year there was a post race check using spanners. 32 bikes completely stripped down. Nothing was found.
At the TDF last year all the TT bikes were X-rayed including the spares on the team cars. Nothing was found.

^ case closed :D

Were the checks done behind closed curtains? Were the checks televised? Who made the statement of the bikes being checked?

You see, just like "never tested positive" is BS, so is "never found a motor," if the above conditions were carried out in anything other than a transparent fashion.
 
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Meanwhile in other news....

French criminals have stolen a number of bikes from the finish of todays Tour de France stage, cut them into tiny pieces and revealed what appears to be motor mechanisms in both seat tubes and wheel hubs of a number of non-French teams.

Official reports are yet to be verified but it would appear to confirm that alleged motor doping is now taking place.

The case continues.
 
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wansteadimp said:
Benotti69 said:
Why would the new UCI president say this,

Lappartient said that he'd ramp up fight against hidden motors.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/interview-uci-presidential-candidate-lappartient-aims-ramp-fight-hidden-motors/

If motors are not in use, why is Lappartient talking about a fight against their use.....

Not that i believe Lappartient is going to change anything, but that he is talking about fighting motor use seems to indicate motors are being used, no?

Not necessarily because politicians (and heads of organisations like the UCI are politicians) will say anything when they're trying to court public opinion/convince people to vote for them.

Whats more they'll change what they say for their audience - all those votes he won do you think the delegates voted for him because he's the next saviour of cycling or because he promised them more perks than Cookson?

Talking about motors is just as likely to be him jumping on the bandwagon for a few votes than whether he knows anything definitively.

Still a weird thing to make up out of thin air.
 
B_Ugli said:
Meanwhile in other news....

French criminals have stolen a number of bikes from the finish of todays Tour de France stage, cut them into tiny pieces and revealed what appears to be motor mechanisms in both seat tubes and wheel hubs of a number of non-French teams.

Official reports are yet to be verified but it would appear to confirm that alleged motor doping is now taking place.

The case continues.

:rolleyes:

Aaand link to this 'news' thank you..Websearch w/ several languages gives no hits?
 
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Huapango said:
Benotti69 said:
wansteadimp said:
Benotti69 said:
Why would the new UCI president say this,

Lappartient said that he'd ramp up fight against hidden motors.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/interview-uci-presidential-candidate-lappartient-aims-ramp-fight-hidden-motors/

If motors are not in use, why is Lappartient talking about a fight against their use.....

Not that i believe Lappartient is going to change anything, but that he is talking about fighting motor use seems to indicate motors are being used, no?

Not necessarily because politicians (and heads of organisations like the UCI are politicians) will say anything when they're trying to court public opinion/convince people to vote for them.

Whats more they'll change what they say for their audience - all those votes he won do you think the delegates voted for him because he's the next saviour of cycling or because he promised them more perks than Cookson?

Talking about motors is just as likely to be him jumping on the bandwagon for a few votes than whether he knows anything definitively.

I dont expect anything to change with Lappartient except that the carpet gets bigger and more stuff gets swept under. Also ASO gets more of the cake. Froome wins TdF#5. Sky win more monuments etc.....

I predict....Froome is DONE. Adios! No amount of dope is going to allow him to keep up with an elite cyclist without the added HP he's been using. I wonder if he'll stare at his stem anymore. I guess he'll have an opportunity to find out what his max heartrate is.

I tend to agree.....Cookson was facillitating SKY and FRoome....L'Appartient wont allow that to continue.

Wonder if thats why Sky didnt dominate the worlds TT and why Froome chose this year to grab EVERY TITLE GOING ! ? Because he knows the gravy train ends with Cookson.
 
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Huapango said:
At one of the one day classics this year there was a post race check using spanners. 32 bikes completely stripped down. Nothing was found.
At the TDF last year all the TT bikes were X-rayed including the spares on the team cars. Nothing was found.

^ case closed :D

Were the checks done behind closed curtains? Were the checks televised? Who made the statement of the bikes being checked?

You see, just like "never tested positive" is BS, so is "never found a motor," if the above conditions were carried out in anything other than a transparent fashion.
And which teams were informed beforehand ?

Bottom line: if the clear aim is to be seen to be doing something but to ensure nothing is found then that is indeed what will happen
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
Huapango said:
At one of the one day classics this year there was a post race check using spanners. 32 bikes completely stripped down. Nothing was found.
At the TDF last year all the TT bikes were X-rayed including the spares on the team cars. Nothing was found.

^ case closed :D

Were the checks done behind closed curtains? Were the checks televised? Who made the statement of the bikes being checked?

You see, just like "never tested positive" is BS, so is "never found a motor," if the above conditions were carried out in anything other than a transparent fashion.
And which teams were informed beforehand ?

Bottom line: if the clear aim is to be seen to be doing something but to ensure nothing is found then that is indeed what will happen

Agree with this. To put this to bed once and for all UCI should have spot checked the top 5 bikes atop Angliru, in the holding area and in view of the public so everyone can see there is nothing but standard dura-ace and record cranksets, a clean bottom bracket shell and nothing coming down from the seat-tube.

In 10 minutes this whole thing would be done, finished.
 
B_Ugli said:
Meanwhile in other news....

French criminals have stolen a number of bikes from the finish of todays Tour de France stage, cut them into tiny pieces and revealed what appears to be motor mechanisms in both seat tubes and wheel hubs of a number of non-French teams.

Official reports are yet to be verified but it would appear to confirm that alleged motor doping is now taking place.

The case continues.
Seriously?! You have to do better than that.

RE: if motors get busted, its the end of the sport. I call BS on that too. It will tighten things up a bit maybe, but that would be a good thing.
 
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Tienus said:
Froome has used this rear disc before.
http://www.velonews.com/2016/04/gallery/gallery-2016-tour-de-romandie-stage-3_404051

I think he also used it on stage 18 of the 2016 tour with stickers on it.
The wheel looks like a lightweight Autobahn but it is not. It has a different hub so maybe its a custom made wheel.

There is a discussion on the wheel here:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/113046-chris-froomes-disc-today/&

Pretty sure Froome used an unbranded Lightweight Autobahn or perhaps a Dash Gretchen for the ITT in the end. Didn't Brailsford say as much to Europsport? If you weren't making a light road bike change for the climb, using an Autobahn/Dash Disc with Dura-Ace C50 instead of his usual Pro Textreme wheels would drop nearly 0.4kg off the TT bike which is significant for the climb.

The telltale sign of the unbranded Autobahns is often a distinctive deep unpainted brake track left raw after painting over the distinctive lightweight carbon spoke layup.

cycling-90th-road-world-championships-2017-itt-men-elite-chris-froome-picture-id850093034
 
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?
 
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samhocking said:
Tienus said:
Froome has used this rear disc before.
http://www.velonews.com/2016/04/gallery/gallery-2016-tour-de-romandie-stage-3_404051

I think he also used it on stage 18 of the 2016 tour with stickers on it.
The wheel looks like a lightweight Autobahn but it is not. It has a different hub so maybe its a custom made wheel.

There is a discussion on the wheel here:
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/113046-chris-froomes-disc-today/&

Pretty sure Froome used an unbranded Lightweight Autobahn or perhaps a Dash Gretchen for the ITT in the end. Didn't Brailsford say as much to Europsport? If you weren't making a light road bike change for the climb, using an Autobahn/Dash Disc with Dura-Ace C50 instead of his usual Pro Textreme wheels would drop nearly 0.4kg off the TT bike which is significant for the climb.

The telltale sign of the unbranded Autobahns is often a distinctive deep unpainted brake track left raw after painting over the distinctive lightweight carbon spoke layup.

cycling-90th-road-world-championships-2017-itt-men-elite-chris-froome-picture-id850093034

Yes, it's a Lightweight. Note the brake track and the valve cutout:

CnbGUX_WcAAmW9w.jpg
 
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?
That's old news that we have been hashing for a year and a half now.
 
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)
 
brownbobby said:
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)
Doesn't stop him doing the Vuelta regularly does it.
 
veganrob said:
brownbobby said:
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)
Doesn't stop him doing the Vuelta regularly does it.

Oh come on, surely we can all agree that the Giro Tour double is a whole different ball game to the Tour Vuelta double...
 
brownbobby said:
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)

Well the last time he got a result in a major race in Italy was at T-A in 2013, according to Wikipedia. There are no other Italian race results since then. He could have participated in some of the smaller races and not finished or not finished with a result worth documenting but they are not listed.
 
Angliru said:
brownbobby said:
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)

Well the last time he got a result in a major race in Italy was at T-A in 2013, according to Wikipedia. There are no other Italian race results since then. He could have

He doesn't do Italian races as they don't fit into his schedule. He has tended to start his season quite late to allow for doing both the Tour and Vuelta.

The idea that he is avoiding the country because somebody used a heat gun in Italy is an utterly bonkers even by the standards of this forum. For a start the TV show it was featured in was French. There's nothing stopping anyone using these things anywhere else.

Why is anyone even trying to defend this insanity?
 
Parker said:
Angliru said:
brownbobby said:
Cycle Chic said:
https://deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

This article is from 2016 which has just been posted on twitter from Digger. I havent seen it before but it answers one of my questions as to why Froome hasnt done the Giro. When was the last time he did a race in Italy ?

Either way - the Italians dont mess about. Could this be why Froome wont go there ?

Because the TDF has always been the biggest bike race in the world and his number 1 priority.

There you go, I answered your question about why he hasn't done the Giro (not since he suddenly got really good anyway)

Well the last time he got a result in a major race in Italy was at T-A in 2013, according to Wikipedia. There are no other Italian race results since then. He could have

He doesn't do Italian races as they don't fit into his schedule. He has tended to start his season quite late to allow for doing both the Tour and Vuelta.

The idea that he is avoiding the country because somebody used a heat gun in Italy is an utterly bonkers even by the standards of this forum. For a start the TV show it was featured in was French. There's nothing stopping anyone using these things anywhere else.

Why is anyone even trying to defend this insanity?

This op is my second favourite post of the year in this forum...second only to the one about Poels looking behind him a lot whilst racing up the Angliru. Not to check where his competitors were for the purposes of the race obviously, but to check the coast was clear and nobody was watching when he fired his engine up :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Cycle Chic said:
yeh I thought so - BrownBobby has been a member for errrrrrrrrrrrrr 3 DAYS !!

Just because I only just got round to signing up to join the discussion doesn't mean I haven been lurking and reading for a long time...
Classic tactics there though, attack the messenger when you can't attack the message....I remember this Texan dude used to do that once upon a time