Motor doping thread

[Catwhoorg]

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TG4 commentators talking live on air during today's stage about the leaked UCI email tipping off the motor guys to the possible French police investigation, and also mentioning the rumours about Cancellara a few years ago, and not in a dismissive way. I can't see Phil + Paul or Carlton + Sean or Ned + David ever doing that. If you're watching in Ireland and want commentary without cheerleading then maybe tráchtaireacht as Gaeilge is the way to go

Reminds me: does anyone know why P/P are off ITV4 now? The obnoxious Armstrong cheerleading/vested interests/lies are all in the past now...

Sadly, still on NBC sports here in the US.

 

[vedrafjord]

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TG4 commentators talking live on air during today's stage about the leaked UCI email tipping off the motor guys to the possible French police investigation, and also mentioning the rumours about Cancellara a few years ago, and not in a dismissive way. I can't see Phil + Paul or Carlton + Sean or Ned + David ever doing that. If you're watching in Ireland and want commentary without cheerleading then maybe tráchtaireacht as Gaeilge is the way to go

Now they're talking about the Russian tests that vanished before the Moscow lab lost its accreditation! We're a cynical bunch in Ireland

 

[sniper]

good stuff, verdrafjord.
it's encouraging, it really is, even though it's a drop on a hot plate.

 

[Cannibal72]

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TG4 commentators talking live on air during today's stage about the leaked UCI email tipping off the motor guys to the possible French police investigation, and also mentioning the rumours about Cancellara a few years ago, and not in a dismissive way. I can't see Phil + Paul or Carlton + Sean or Ned + David ever doing that. If you're watching in Ireland and want commentary without cheerleading then maybe tráchtaireacht as Gaeilge is the way to go

Reminds me: does anyone know why P/P are off ITV4 now? The obnoxious Armstrong cheerleading/vested interests/lies are all in the past now...

Sadly, still on NBC sports here in the US.

I feel your pain.

 

[vedrafjord]

They're on a small TV station in a small country speaking in a language most of the country aren't fluent in. They're well aware they can say pretty much whatever they like.

 

[Cannibal72]

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They're on a small TV station in a small country speaking in a language most of the country aren't fluent in. They're well aware they can say pretty much whatever they like.

Sean Kelly's on a small TV station speaking a language most of the world isn't fluent in, but HE never talks about doping.

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

LeMond’s interest in physiology pushed him to personally investigate the benefit of mechanical doping. He travelled to Hungary and met Stefano Vargas, widely considered the mastermind behind the most advanced methods of hidden motors for road bikes.

“There are a lot of rumours, so we must remain cautious. There have been many stories and I was skeptical but soon after, in 2013, I met Stefano Varjas. He made me try a motorized bicycle in Paris. Then I saw him at the Hungarian Grand Prix, with Total engineers, who confirmed that Varjas was brilliant. They also told me they could hide everything, isolating the engine. Varjas also spoke about wheels and that made me think about the problem again.”

“The day (I tested the bike in Paris), I wasn’t fit, I had a bad back and I had to remove a corset. Stefano lent me some shoes, the saddle was too low, I was in jeans, but then at a red light, I burnt off some motorcycles! Some American tourists saw me go me faster than 60 km/h amongst the buses. In front of Les Invalides, I forgot to turn it off and I almost fell. I had proof that it existed, that it was possible; it made me want to vomit. Fifty watts or more. On a climb that means minutes if not more….”

This sounds like someone we all know....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/greg-lemond-miracles-in-cycling-still-dont-exist/?utm_content=buffere1b44&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[jmdirt]

What are the "large arches" that LeMond referred to in his interview?

"To perform better checks for mechanical doping, LeMond believes that the technology exists to properly fight mechanical doping, even if it costly.

“We could fight it even better with large arches, which cost $ 1.5 million, that’s not much in the whole economy of the Tour. It took me two hours to find it on the Internet, so why doesn’t the UCI do it?”

 

[thehog]

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What are the "large arches" that LeMond referred to in his interview?

"To perform better checks for mechanical doping, LeMond believes that the technology exists to properly fight mechanical doping, even if it costly.

“We could fight it even better with large arches, which cost $ 1.5 million, that’s not much in the whole economy of the Tour. It took me two hours to find it on the Internet, so why doesn’t the UCI do it?”

I believe LeMond is confused, he means the Golden Arches at McDonalds, Greg likes the fries and the triple cheeseburger :lol:

 

[Gregga]

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What are the "large arches" that LeMond referred to in his interview?

X-Ray devices made for big stuffs, like suitcases or postal boxes

 

[adamfo]

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What are the "large arches" that LeMond referred to in his interview?

X-Ray devices made for big stuffs, like suitcases or postal boxes

What's the difference to the X-ray machine they are currently using ? They already have the ability to image the complete bottom bracket and wheel hubs.
Maybe Lemond saw a large MRI machine at hospital or something on Star Trek that easily impresses the dilettante ?

 

[jmdirt]

Lots of buzz about VN's bike when he crashed. I don't think that its moto fraud, even the front wheel does some weird spinnies.

 

[elfed68]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BILMBUKhfNr/?taken-by=mikellanda.sky

 

[Carstenbf]

Don't see anything of note in that clip.

However the way Cummings got back on his bike after the peloton came to a halt due to narrowing roads at the bottom of Bisanne made me go "wtf".

Probably just me though, and him being a kick-ass bikerider. :razz:

Cba to go looking for it either. Was about 72-73k to go.

 

[adamfo]

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They're on a small TV station in a small country speaking in a language most of the country aren't fluent in. They're well aware they can say pretty much whatever they like.

Sean Kelly's on a small TV station speaking a language most of the world isn't fluent in, but HE never talks about doping.

Sean Kelly broadcasts in Gaelic ?

 

[Cannibal72]

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They're on a small TV station in a small country speaking in a language most of the country aren't fluent in. They're well aware they can say pretty much whatever they like.

Sean Kelly's on a small TV station speaking a language most of the world isn't fluent in, but HE never talks about doping.

Sean Kelly broadcasts in Gaelic ?

Oh, Sean Kelly broadcasts in his own very special language. Linguists describe it as Kello-English.

 

[adamfo]

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They're on a small TV station in a small country speaking in a language most of the country aren't fluent in. They're well aware they can say pretty much whatever they like.

Sean Kelly's on a small TV station speaking a language most of the world isn't fluent in, but HE never talks about doping.

Sean Kelly broadcasts in Gaelic ?

Oh, Sean Kelly broadcasts in his own very special language. Linguists describe it as Kello-English.

Kello-English seems to contain the word suffering a lot. Research has sown Kelly says 'suffering' 836 times during the course of a grand tour.

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

The UCI has announced that it carried out a total of 3,773 magnetic resistance tests for motors over the course of the Tour de France, and that no evidence of technological fraud was found.

That is good news!

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

The UCI has announced that it carried out a total of 3,773 magnetic resistance tests for motors over the course of the Tour de France, and that no evidence of technological fraud was found.

That is good news!

Yes! But it's actually better than that. Cyclingnews says "

3773 tests were carried out using the famous blue magnetic resistance tablet, with other checks done via thermal imaging in race and with x-rays at the end of a number of key mountain stages.

So a variety of different means have been used and the result was negative.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

The UCI has announced that it carried out a total of 3,773 magnetic resistance tests for motors over the course of the Tour de France, and that no evidence of technological fraud was found.

That is good news!

Yes! But it's actually better than that. Cyclingnews says "

3773 tests were carried out using the famous blue magnetic resistance tablet, with other checks done via thermal imaging in race and with x-rays at the end of a number of key mountain stages.

So a variety of different means have been used and the result was negative.

We were told the result was negative, but then the same people told us Armstrong was not a doper.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

The UCI has announced that it carried out a total of 3,773 magnetic resistance tests for motors over the course of the Tour de France, and that no evidence of technological fraud was found.

That is good news!

Yes! But it's actually better than that. Cyclingnews says "

3773 tests were carried out using the famous blue magnetic resistance tablet, with other checks done via thermal imaging in race and with x-rays at the end of a number of key mountain stages.

So a variety of different means have been used and the result was negative.

We were told the result was negative, but then the same people told us Armstrong was not a doper.

Good Lord! Back to that again?

 

[Freddythefrog]

That just tells us they went back to the stables 3773 times after the horse had bolted and found no wild horses in the stables, each and every time.

If you have a UCI employee telling the teams when the tests will be done and also spend months brewing up to introduce blind and random testing, after riders had forced the UCI to do something to catch the "evil moto-girl", then, if you honestly believe you might catch someone, you are an idiot. This was the UCI making sure they did not catch anyone.

This could not be a better example of the wrong people going about it in the wrong way.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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That just tells us they went back to the stables 3773 times after the horse had bolted and found no wild horses in the stables, each and every time.

If you have a UCI employee telling the teams when the tests will be done and also spend months brewing up to introduce blind and random testing, after riders had forced the UCI to do something to catch the "evil moto-girl", then, if you honestly believe you might catch someone, you are an idiot. This was the UCI making sure they did not catch anyone.

This could not be a better example of the wrong people going about it in the wrong way.

The incident with the UCI employee is a complete red herring and even in that case it can be a good deterrent.

But more to the point, at this Tour, did they not also look in the stables before the horses were ridden? They looked as they were ridden. They looked at those that were not ridden. They looked when they came back from being ridden. On what other occasions should they look at them?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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But more to the point

Or ... what are the incidents from the year's race where sceptics suspect tech fraud?

 

[sniper]

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But more to the point

Or ... what are the incidents from the year's race where sceptics suspect tech fraud?

And What exactly has triggered this increased mototesting?

just press rumours? I

it seems uci is reduced to a spectator.
Has no clue what's going on in its own garden.
Either that. Or they're knowingly covering up motorfraud.