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Well, one can easily imagine that Armstrong's unexpected return in 2009 could have been motivated by the new e-bike "marginal gain", while staying only "conservativly" doped ( and maybe something went wrong, so he had to go on its own...)
Metabolol said:
Well, one can easily imagine that Armstrong's unexpected return in 2009 could have been motivated by the new e-bike "marginal gain", while staying only "conservativly" doped ( and maybe something went wrong, so he had to go on its own...)
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Cancellara 2010 introduced the system into the proranks.
He was so *** obvious.
The technology would have been less sophisticated -- and hence more obvious still -- before 2010.
Also, all the speculation in 2010 evolved around Cancellara. Not a word about Lance.
Lance was loose-lipped. Rumors would have leaked.
My two cents:doperhopper said:
Cancellara 2010 introduced the system into the proranks.
He was so *** obvious.
The technology would have been less sophisticated -- and hence more obvious still -- before 2010.
Also, all the speculation in 2010 evolved around Cancellara. Not a word about Lance.
Lance was loose-lipped. Rumors would have leaked.
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Is it about naming Pepe Marti, from US postal/ Discovery then Contador's personal trainer at Astana "nothing but a drug dealer"?
LaFlorecita said:
Is it about naming Pepe Marti, from US postal/ Discovery then Contador's personal trainer at Astana "nothing but a drug dealer"?
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Can you tell where, on the track, she climbs over the fence and picks up the new bike?
Tienus said:
Can you tell where, on the track, she climbs over the fence and picks up the new bike?
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That's the confusing thing, because the other rider in the background when Femke climbs over the barrier goes from right to left. Otherwise it would have been feasibly at the third corner (the long sweeping left). The only corner she can feasibly have got to is the sharp right, the second corner on the course, which looks like the case, but she's thereby climbing off the course the opposite side to what you would expect to go to the pits. Given where the pits are, it seems most logical that, upon knowing Femke had a problem, somebody from her pits has run across the circuit paddock (easily done fairly quickly, it's flat and mostly tarmac and you can easily cross from the pits to the start-finish straight) and met her on the outside of that first left hander, so she's dumped off the bike we see her crossing the finishing line with there, and then walked across the course to the sharp right where she crosses the barrier as seen in the video. That might also explain why she knew there was a spare bike parked there, if she'd been told when dropping the malfunctioning bike off. It doesn't explain why the bike was there or who the guy with the umbrella is, however it seems a plausible reason for why the bike she'd crossed the line with might not be there anymore and how she'd get to where she was when she picked up the new bike.jyl said:
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Here's a new manufacturer, based in Monte Carlo: Typhoon Bicycles.
His bikes look like regular road bikes (and mountain bikes) and don't appear to be all that more expensive. He also builds custom bikes. Owner says he is planning to add lower priced bikes, as well. Soon, you too can ride like the pros.
His bikes look like regular road bikes (and mountain bikes) and don't appear to be all that more expensive. He also builds custom bikes. Owner says he is planning to add lower priced bikes, as well. Soon, you too can ride like the pros.
@ooo
Your story is not completely correct.
Lets talk about three bikes, the ones I have seen at races this season.
1 The one with large tubing, external cable routing different paint job and a white sadle (I suspect its motorized because of results and pushing button)
2 Black bike internal cable with black sadle (I suspect motorized because of results and pushing button)
3 Black bike internal cablewith black sadle
Bike 2 and 3 are very simular and I need good pictures or video to tell the difference. The different print on the saddle is the best give away.
In Zolder she is racing with bike nr 1 and then off track she jumps on bike nr 3.
Bike nr 1 has a broken chain as you can see when she is walking on the finish straight. It can also be seen in this picture:
http://pedaleandoporcanarias.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Bicicleta-con-motor-de-Femke-Van-den-Driessche.jpg
Your story is not completely correct.
Lets talk about three bikes, the ones I have seen at races this season.
1 The one with large tubing, external cable routing different paint job and a white sadle (I suspect its motorized because of results and pushing button)
2 Black bike internal cable with black sadle (I suspect motorized because of results and pushing button)
3 Black bike internal cablewith black sadle
Bike 2 and 3 are very simular and I need good pictures or video to tell the difference. The different print on the saddle is the best give away.
In Zolder she is racing with bike nr 1 and then off track she jumps on bike nr 3.
Bike nr 1 has a broken chain as you can see when she is walking on the finish straight. It can also be seen in this picture:
http://pedaleandoporcanarias.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Bicicleta-con-motor-de-Femke-Van-den-Driessche.jpg
sorry, you are correct, I removed wrong information from my last post
at 44:17 she is walking on track with "fat-bike with external routing"
at 45:50 she is riding off track with "non-fat bike with internal routing"
now I am not sure how many fat-bikes (1 or 2) and how many non-fat bikes (1 or 2) did she have
at 44:17 she is walking on track with "fat-bike with external routing"
at 45:50 she is riding off track with "non-fat bike with internal routing"
now I am not sure how many fat-bikes (1 or 2) and how many non-fat bikes (1 or 2) did she have
At Koppenburg was she riding bike nr 2 or nr 3?
I am not sure what the difference between nr 2 and nr 3 are. The Koppenburg bike has a white stripe pattern on head tube, looks same as the white stripe pattern on the bike she picks up after leaving the track at 45:50.
I am not sure what the difference between nr 2 and nr 3 are. The Koppenburg bike has a white stripe pattern on head tube, looks same as the white stripe pattern on the bike she picks up after leaving the track at 45:50.
I can only found 2 racing bike. On training photos I found training bike here and here, I haven't seen it in race. differences from racing bike:
non-fat training bike: dark grey cranks, black saddle with rear red mark, seat-tube with holes + red bolts, "cross" text under downtube
non-fat racing bike: black cranks, black saddle with front red mark, seat-tube without holes for bottle, no text under downtube
non-fat training bike: dark grey cranks, black saddle with rear red mark, seat-tube with holes + red bolts, "cross" text under downtube
non-fat racing bike: black cranks, black saddle with front red mark, seat-tube without holes for bottle, no text under downtube
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the motors turn the cranks, no? so this means some nifty work on the button considering the amount of freewheeling done in a bunch... didn't LA crash on a roundabout because the put the wrong crank down? A seriously amateurish mistake... could it be because the motor may not have been disengaged in time?
As mentioned before, the early prototypes LA may have used may not have been useful enough for the mountains, but to make life easier on the flats (for recovery) and TTs he may well have been using one. Any little extra advantage - he'd take it for sure
especially if it didn't work - ie; during comback 2.0 with just a podium...blackcat said:
the motors turn the cranks, no? so this means some nifty work on the button considering the amount of freewheeling done in a bunch... didn't LA crash on a roundabout because the put the wrong crank down? A seriously amateurish mistake... could it be because the motor may not have been disengaged in time?
As mentioned before, the early prototypes LA may have used may not have been useful enough for the mountains, but to make life easier on the flats (for recovery) and TTs he may well have been using one. Any little extra advantage - he'd take it for sure
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I agree with sniper's assessment. I wouldn't exactly call Armstrong "loose lipped", though, but he did like to brag. (Remember when he bragged to Landis about getting a positive covered up? And bragged about other things, too.) If he had something as "cool" as a motor, surely he'd have bragged to someone.
Plus, one or more mechanics would have to know about this motor - LA can barely change a bike tire, and wouldn't have touched one even if he could. And yet no mechanic has come forth with this info, even though such info would probably sell a lot of books even now.
He crashed more than once after his comeback (something he did only once during his regular racing career), but I doubt a motor had anything to do with it. I think he just wasn't as focused any longer, and no longer really into it. Four years of comfy retirement can probably do that to you.
Lastly, there was some crazy uphill riding from LA, but nothing that particularly screamed "motor" - instead it screamed "really excellent doping program".
Archibald said:
I agree with sniper's assessment. I wouldn't exactly call Armstrong "loose lipped", though, but he did like to brag. (Remember when he bragged to Landis about getting a positive covered up? And bragged about other things, too.) If he had something as "cool" as a motor, surely he'd have bragged to someone.
Plus, one or more mechanics would have to know about this motor - LA can barely change a bike tire, and wouldn't have touched one even if he could. And yet no mechanic has come forth with this info, even though such info would probably sell a lot of books even now.
He crashed more than once after his comeback (something he did only once during his regular racing career), but I doubt a motor had anything to do with it. I think he just wasn't as focused any longer, and no longer really into it. Four years of comfy retirement can probably do that to you.
Lastly, there was some crazy uphill riding from LA, but nothing that particularly screamed "motor" - instead it screamed "really excellent doping program".
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this is why I mentioned "if it worked", and IF he only used it for comeback 2.0 it clearly didn't work for him. His bragging about everything else was what he got away with, not what he didn't - if that makes sense... in other words, he gave it a shot, but it wasn't successful due to limited technology and applications that wouldn't be suss, so therefore kept quiet about it. For all I know it could have been an experiment - tried it, didn't make it work like he wanted so didn't bother taking it further?
The statement that if it was available then LA would have been onto it, does *** up my ears though, because as sure as flies on dogsh*t, he would have been
Perhaps a tad more cautious with something like this as it's a gamechanger and well above the "everyone's doing it" cop-out on regular pharma doping... it has far less 'outs' than pharma too. "never tested positive", et al, isn't going to wash when it's sitting there in his frame as 100% proof positive.
It's not just doing something everyone else is doing and doing it better, it's seriously playing with fire should he get popped with it
agree - it's the perfect crime scenario in that it can never be committed as the criminal wouldn't be able to keep it to themselves... and, yes, there's no way monkeymouth could have kept his yap shut...Maxiton said:
this is why I mentioned "if it worked", and IF he only used it for comeback 2.0 it clearly didn't work for him. His bragging about everything else was what he got away with, not what he didn't - if that makes sense... in other words, he gave it a shot, but it wasn't successful due to limited technology and applications that wouldn't be suss, so therefore kept quiet about it. For all I know it could have been an experiment - tried it, didn't make it work like he wanted so didn't bother taking it further?
The statement that if it was available then LA would have been onto it, does *** up my ears though, because as sure as flies on dogsh*t, he would have been
Perhaps a tad more cautious with something like this as it's a gamechanger and well above the "everyone's doing it" cop-out on regular pharma doping... it has far less 'outs' than pharma too. "never tested positive", et al, isn't going to wash when it's sitting there in his frame as 100% proof positive.
It's not just doing something everyone else is doing and doing it better, it's seriously playing with fire should he get popped with it
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one thing Armstrong is not, is stupid. He may not have a GED or gone to UT Austin(a fine school equiv to most Ivy's and liberal arts prestigious)... but, Lance is Machiavellian when Machiavellian was merely in short pants...
and even tho you reckon this points to him seeking out this edge, he would have done the sums, and realised he had too much to lose, that he could easily wield a power over Floyd and the other plebs in cycling, but if those plebs unionised when he used a motor in his comeback, the facade would come falling down and his 7 other wins put into jeopardy...
so you say, this is what happened anyway? well, the effect was that, yes. But it was many small rumblings, that gained momentum. say, like an avalanche. One small crack becomes an avalanche, but not immediately. The proverbial butterfly flapping in the brazilian amazon rainforest.
Armstrong using a motor in his comeback would have been too much, and the peloton would have snapped.
Cancellara, there was a significant degree of plausible deniability, and the peloton already know he is the strongest in the field. If Vansummeran and Nuyens and others are winning...
Archibald said:
one thing Armstrong is not, is stupid. He may not have a GED or gone to UT Austin(a fine school equiv to most Ivy's and liberal arts prestigious)... but, Lance is Machiavellian when Machiavellian was merely in short pants...
and even tho you reckon this points to him seeking out this edge, he would have done the sums, and realised he had too much to lose, that he could easily wield a power over Floyd and the other plebs in cycling, but if those plebs unionised when he used a motor in his comeback, the facade would come falling down and his 7 other wins put into jeopardy...
so you say, this is what happened anyway? well, the effect was that, yes. But it was many small rumblings, that gained momentum. say, like an avalanche. One small crack becomes an avalanche, but not immediately. The proverbial butterfly flapping in the brazilian amazon rainforest.
Armstrong using a motor in his comeback would have been too much, and the peloton would have snapped.
Cancellara, there was a significant degree of plausible deniability, and the peloton already know he is the strongest in the field. If Vansummeran and Nuyens and others are winning...
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I don't want to be considered as a guy who totally rejects the idea of a motor being used in professional road racing.
So imo, if a really desperate guy used it...he was a rider who never made the same results ever again. And i would think it was for a one-day race, and not in a grand tour.
So imo, if a really desperate guy used it...he was a rider who never made the same results ever again. And i would think it was for a one-day race, and not in a grand tour.
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You would rather question my motives than respond to my points? Fine, I have my answer. I am moving on. I expect people don't want to read any more stuff that moves away from the topic.sniper said:
agreed, we should question Cookson's/UCI's motives, not eachother's.
so back on topic:
Femke's photo and name (she's the first name listed if you scroll down abit) is still on the frontpage of the Kleur op Maat NODRUGS cycling team website:
http://nodrugs.be/teams-riders/kleur-op-maat-nodrugs-ladies-cyclocross-team/
Have the team made any kind of statement? is she provisionally suspended?
so back on topic:
Femke's photo and name (she's the first name listed if you scroll down abit) is still on the frontpage of the Kleur op Maat NODRUGS cycling team website:
http://nodrugs.be/teams-riders/kleur-op-maat-nodrugs-ladies-cyclocross-team/
Have the team made any kind of statement? is she provisionally suspended?
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http://i.imgur.com/zsHmASk.jpg
On this foto the closest bike to the camera is bike nr 3. Its got the blue and yellow sticker on the top tube.
The second bike is probably bike nr 2 but with this picture I cannot be sure. In the foto it has bottle cage screws, if the motor is installed it has black sticker or plugs.
bike nr 2:
http://i.imgur.com/OA3wuhb.jpg
bike nr 3:
http://i.imgur.com/kLphlPG.jpg
ooo said:
http://i.imgur.com/zsHmASk.jpg
On this foto the closest bike to the camera is bike nr 3. Its got the blue and yellow sticker on the top tube.
The second bike is probably bike nr 2 but with this picture I cannot be sure. In the foto it has bottle cage screws, if the motor is installed it has black sticker or plugs.
bike nr 2:
http://i.imgur.com/OA3wuhb.jpg
bike nr 3:
http://i.imgur.com/kLphlPG.jpg
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