Motor doping thread

[Arked]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

 

[ctaylor]

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theres no bike swap going on - Froomes always seen on race radio just before he attacks - I think theres a remote controlled device being used to activate the motor....sorry but its the only plausible reason so far

Why would having the motor activated by a remote device be an advantage in any way?

 

[DFA123]

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As I've stated many times on here and elsewhere, there have been motors used in the pro tour. The only way to argue that Froome used a motor yesterday is with a UCI conspiracy. Did he change bikes in the last 100 K (or at all for that matter)? His bike was xrayed after the finish. 1) I think that there are too many people involved for a conspiracy, 2) It seems like the UCI would love to nail CF with a motor to kill two birds with one stone, 3) why would CF be the UCI golden child (all along, not just now)?

Yeah, it makes no sense. In 2010 sure, the risks of being caught with a motor were very small compared with the potential rewards.

But in 2018, for the most high profile rider in the sport. It makes no sense. And if Froome was using a motor, with consent from the UCI ( ) what were Dumoulin and Pinot using to distance everyone else in the race and climb at a similar pace?

 

[LaFlorecita]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

So the mystery of Contadors erratic shifts in form during the Vuelta 17 are solved too now.

 

[DanielSong39]

LOL, Contador is one of the top suspected motor users.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So the mystery of Contadors erratic shifts in form during the Vuelta 17 are solved too now.

Obviously his performance throughout that Vuelta is highly suspect. I don't think his form changed as much as Froome's in this Giro (discounting the Andorra stage in which he suffered from gastrointestinal issues), he was consistently strong on short, steep climbs and suffered a bit on the longer climbs. He clearly got stronger after the 2nd rest day but that can be explained by other doping methods as well.

 

[jmdirt]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

You forgot to put a or a tongue-in-cheek emoti.

Just for fun: 1) a natural coming into form, 2) a less than natural coming into form. I don't know about erratic though, he just seemed to get better as the race went on (especially relative to most others), won Zoncolan, showed the effects of his effort the next day, but then improved (same as above parenthesis) from there.

I'm not defending CF, but in a clinic free world this type of thing happens. Now we could debate the existence of a clinic free world... :lol:

 

[Arked]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

 

[LaFlorecita]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

I don't believe what the UCI tells us. Lappartient said it, if someone is caught using a motor, the sport is dead. So no one gets caught.

 

[silvergrenade]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ***.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ***.
#JK
:lol:

 

[Craigee]

Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.

 

[Benotti69]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ****.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ****.
#JK
:lol:

Glad you finally understand.

Unless you can prove different, we know testing is ****.

 

[Benotti69]

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Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.

If Lappartient was going to be any different from his predecessors he would've done a heck of a lot more re the whole sport including doping and motors. He is just another Verbruggen, McQuaid, Cookson etc.....

 

[silvergrenade]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ****.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ****.
#JK
:lol:

Glad you finally understand.

Unless you can prove different, we know testing is ****.

Thanks Benotti. Your knowledge here on the clinic has gone past my earlier stubborn mind.
I agree that everyone is on an ebike.
Cheers to ebikes. :lol:

 

[jmdirt]

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Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.

I think that there was media present. If that is the case, maybe we'll see a story or at least a tweet from one of them. The conspiracy people among us can/will say that those media were plants though.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Lapartient knows that the roof will fall in if a top rider is proven to be using a motor. Circ was 2013 and was quite clear that motors were in use.

The technology is all there if they wanted to catch some riders. Years ago Stade Two had a motorbike with IR camera. A glowing bottom 4” of seat tube – how the hell can anyone explain that – a hot drink stored in a secret extra water bottle location ? How easy would it have been to have a couple of motorbikes following Friday's stage and showing live IR footage from the bikes ? A few static IR cameras at key locations on hiarpins where the lead riders go round in near single file. It is dead easy. The fact that it is so easy and yet we had years of obfuscation with IPads that didn't work and all sorts of BS, as every little pathetic increment of detection technology was telegraphed months in advance so teams could react, tells us very clearly. The authorities know about the problem, they have the means to solve it but cannot solve it.

Why can't they solve it ? That is the critical question. It just has to be because some in authority are so compromised, to do so would bring the whole show to an end and that is not in anyone’s interest.

 

[Benotti69]

There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Yes that is how they caught Armstrong with controlled methods, scrutiny and media fixation.

:lol:

 

[Saint Unix]

We also have to consider the implications of a rider like Froome getting caught with a motor in 2018. The guy has been tearing it up for seven years and has won a handful of Grand Tours after a miraculous transformation, but he only started using motors recently? Nope. That doesn't wash. If he gets caught with a motor UCI has to answer for why they couldn't find a motor in his bike during all those alleged bike checks.

If Froome gets caught using a motor, every ounce of logic and common sense says that he has been doing it for several years and that the UCI have either not checked for motors or have done, but turned a blind eye to them being used. It's a charade that has gone on for too long, and UCI know that they will be directly implicated if motor use gets exposed. It might not be the downfall of cycling as a sport, but it will be the downfall of UCI as its governing body.

 

[silvergrenade]

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We also have to consider the implications of a rider like Froome getting caught with a motor in 2018. The guy has been tearing it up for seven years and has won a handful of Grand Tours after a miraculous transformation, but he only started using motors recently? Nope. That doesn't wash. If he gets caught with a motor UCI has to answer for why they couldn't find a motor in his bike during all those alleged bike checks.

If Froome gets caught using a motor, every ounce of logic and common sense says that he has been doing it for several years and that the UCI have either not checked for motors or have done, but turned a blind eye to them being used. It's a charade that has gone on for too long, and UCI know that they will be directly implicated if motor use gets exposed. It might not be the downfall of cycling as a sport, but it will be the downfall of UCI as its governing body.

So, they can tell him not to ride without making it public. Retire immediately. There have been syspicious retirements in sport for decades.
Happens in sport all the time.
But yeah, it really fits in with your version of events. So, UCI helps Froome by buying him his ebike. Right :lol:

 

[Saint Unix]

So you're telling me that instead of covering up motor usage they would be covering up motor usage?

[insert stupid condescending laughing emoticon here]

 

[silvergrenade]

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So you're telling me that instead of covering up motor usage they would be covering up motor usage?

[insert stupid condescending laughing emoticon here]

What?

 

[Saint Unix]

How is telling him to retire into obscurity to avoid a motor scandal any different from letting him ride with a motor without exposing him? In both cases a motor is being used, but they aren't letting the public know. In both cases Froome gets away with it. The only difference is Froome doesn't get to win more races in your scenario.

And your attitude sucks. Try to discuss topics with people without acting like a childish w*nker.

 

[Craigee]

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How is telling him to retire into obscurity to avoid a motor scandal any different from letting him ride with a motor without exposing him? In both cases a motor is being used, but they aren't letting the public know. In both cases Froome gets away with it. The only difference is Froome doesn't get to win more races in your scenario.

And your attitude sucks. Try to discuss topics with people without acting like a childish w*nker.

Crikey you're lucky brother. I got an official warning here for saying that women like to boss their husbands around. ha ha ha

 

[Saint Unix]

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Crikey you're lucky brother. I got an official warning here for saying that women like to boss their husbands around. ha ha ha

Bulletproof, just like Froome