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Alpe d'Huez said:
As a boy, I think he was the very first person I ever heard of as being gay. He was always strange, and I think my parents told me he was gay, even though Liberace was in the closet to the end. After one look at him, I got it, understood what they meant. (Not that it matters, but I'm straight and always have been. So I didn't have some pre-teen gaydar going on.). Thus, I can't imagine anyone alive who thought he was straight. Clips of this film remind me some of Mommie Dearest, which we were just talking about.

Funny how time has passed, and it seems like he never needed to come out of the closet, because he was never "in" the closet, really. Sort of like Boy George. Did anyone ever really think that guy was straight? Now, mercifully, no one cares.

Rob Lowe is quite good in the TV show Code Black. I think what makes it work is that he's allowed himself to somewhat show his age in it. He's 52 in real life, and looks and acts close to it in the show. I mean that in a good, adult way.
If you talk to the really, really old women Liberace must have seemed like a mother's dream come true for their daughters- he seemed nice and sweet, was rich, and he took good care of his own mother. And Liberace had apparently said in his own biography that Sonja Henie was his one and only true love, and he was never able to replace her - hello, old ladies (if you're still alive, that is) - how many more clues did you need?

Rob Lowe was all right during his "brat pack" years (didn't really care for them myself at the time), and then there was some kind of a hiccup about his sexual proclivities... but I thought he did really well in the West Wing.

Not familiar with Code Black, but as long as he can stay away from under-aged 16yr. old. girls I'm all right with him having been given a second chance as an actor.
 
Happy Birthday to Danielle Darrieux, aged 100 today! :surprised:

I will always remember her performance in Julien Duvivier's Marie-Octobre. An indoor film which really highlights the actors' skills more than anything and a real thriller. Masterpiece of French cinema and an all-star cast. :)

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Edit: it's on YT with ENG subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5VrJJqAIVU
 
The Conversation (1974) - Widely praised by the critics, but while I don't mind slow movies at all this one was just a little too slooooooooooow for my taste. I almost gave up about 90 minutes into it, but decided to tough it out till the finish.

Love Gene Hackman, but this is not a movie of his I'd like to tackle again.
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
The Conversation (1974) - Widely praised by the critics, but while I don't mind slow movies at all this one was just a little too slooooooooooow for my taste. I almost gave up about 90 minutes into it, but decided to tough it out till the finish.

Love Gene Hackman, but this is not a movie of his I'd like to tackle again.

it was slow but I didn't find it boring like some films or tedious. I liked it a lot. He made some good movies around that time. Scarecrow, Downhill Racer, French Connection and this one. His last great performance was probably the Unforgiven where he played a real mean SOB.
 
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movingtarget said:
it was slow but I didn't find it boring like some films or tedious. I liked it a lot. He made some good movies around that time. Scarecrow, Downhill Racer, French Connection and this one. His last great performance was probably the Unforgiven where he played a real mean SOB.
I like a lot of Gene Hackman movies, but The Conversation was just, well, it wasn't quite the stinker called The Prophet's Game (with Dennis Hopper and Stephanie Zimbalist) I watched the other day.

The Prophet's Game is serial murderer thriller, but it's one of those where you go - people are getting killed, should I be laughing? It was that cheesy.

I guess even Dennis Hopper had to occasionally do what it takes to pay the bills.
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
movingtarget said:
it was slow but I didn't find it boring like some films or tedious. I liked it a lot. He made some good movies around that time. Scarecrow, Downhill Racer, French Connection and this one. His last great performance was probably the Unforgiven where he played a real mean SOB.
I like a lot of Gene Hackman movies, but The Conversation was just, well, it wasn't quite the stinker called The Prophet's Game (with Dennis Hopper and Stephanie Zimbalist) I watched the other day.

The Prophet's Game is serial murderer thriller, but it's one of those where you go - people are getting killed, should I be laughing? It was that cheesy.

I guess even Dennis Hopper had to occasionally do what it takes to pay the bills.

I don't think Dennis Hopper was acting in Apocalypse Now !
 
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movingtarget said:
I don't think Dennis Hopper was acting in Apocalypse Now !
If wiki is to be believed Hopper had quite the interesting life. Five marriages, excessive drug use, apparently he really wanted the role of psychopath Frank Booth in Blue Velvet because he claimed that role reflected his real life. (Have seen Blue Velvet when it first came out, but can't remember a thing from it.)

So yeah, at times he may not have just been simply acting, but he did stay mostly busy throughout his career. (As aforementioned, some of his movies were great, some were real stinkers. He even won the much-prized Razzie award for his turn in Waterworld, that flick I haven't seen.)
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
movingtarget said:
I don't think Dennis Hopper was acting in Apocalypse Now !
If wiki is to be believed Hopper had quite the interesting life. Five marriages, excessive drug use, apparently he really wanted the role of psychopath Frank Booth in Blue Velvet because he claimed that role reflected his real life. (Have seen Blue Velvet when it first came out, but can't remember a thing from it.)

So yeah, at times he may not have just been simply acting, but he did stay mostly busy throughout his career. (As aforementioned, some of his movies were great, some were real stinkers. He even won the much-prized Razzie award for his turn in Waterworld, that flick I haven't seen.)

Forget Waterworld that was a dog. Kevin Costner made a few. I heard that The Postman was also awful, didn't see that one. Blue Velvet was a good movie. One of David Lynch's more straightforward ones ! Too bad Hopper became "Mr rent a psycho" as he was pretty much nuts in most of his movies. One movie he directed in South America was never released as the studio couldn't make sense of it and Hopper was supposed to be stoned for the entire shoot. He was unemployable after that until the eighties when he made a comeback sort of like John Travolta did with Pulp Fiction after going missing for a while. Hopper made some good movies after his comeback but he was just as well known for his photography which was pretty highly regarded. I think the last good movie I saw him in was The Indian Runner with Vigo Mortenson.
 
Yeah Waterworld was absolutely terrible.

Here is one movie recommendation that I never thought I would make. Wonder Woman. I thought it was really good. Something like 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Here is something that is really messed up though. Gal Gadot who had the leading role of Wonder Woman was only paid about $400,000. Yet support actor Chris Pine got something like $9 million. She might do well to get a new agent. But even that might not help too much because it's such a huge widespread problem. Take for example the USA women's soccer team makes pennies compared to what the men's team makes despite being more successful and having higher tv ratings. Etc, etc, etc.
 
on3m@n@rmy said:
Yeah Waterworld was absolutely terrible.

Here is one movie recommendation that I never thought I would make. Wonder Woman. I thought it was really good. Something like 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Here is something that is really messed up though. Gal Gadot who had the leading role of Wonder Woman was only paid about $400,000. Yet support actor Chris Pine got something like $9 million. She might do well to get a new agent. But even that might not help too much because it's such a huge widespread problem. Take for example the USA women's soccer team makes pennies compared to what the men's team makes despite being more successful and having higher tv ratings. Etc, etc, etc.

The success of the movie gives her something to bargain with for the inevitable sequel. Chris Pine is like a poor mans Chris Hemsworth ! I thought the last few star Trek movies were pretty ordinary. Womens sport is basically semi amateur on the pay scale except for one or two sports like tennis, some athletics, and golf and maybe basketball, it's ridiculous for elite sports women to be earning peanuts but a lot of it probably has to do with TV viewing. A lot of people won't watch women's sport, even the better paid ones like tennis and golf let alone go and watch it live.
 
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on3m@n@rmy said:
Yeah Waterworld was absolutely terrible.

Here is one movie recommendation that I never thought I would make. Wonder Woman. I thought it was really good. Something like 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Here is something that is really messed up though. Gal Gadot who had the leading role of Wonder Woman was only paid about $400,000. Yet support actor Chris Pine got something like $9 million. She might do well to get a new agent. But even that might not help too much because it's such a huge widespread problem. Take for example the USA women's soccer team makes pennies compared to what the men's team makes despite being more successful and having higher tv ratings. Etc, etc, etc.

Nah
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/6/20/15840802/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-salary-cavill-14-million
 
There was an interesting article in "Le Soir" last Wednesday about the release of "Dunkirk", here in Belgium.

A comparison with Henri Verneuil's Weekend à Zuydcoote. It interested me because Henri Verneuil is easily my favourite director in French cinema, possibly my favourite director overall (very prolific in making good films) and actor Jean-Paul Belmondo, a legend of an actor. A stunt actor with irony and an ever so relaxed attitude, in my top5 favourite actors. However this was not my favourite Verneuil film but still the dialogues were there, as I recall them because it's been a long time since I last saw it.

The article does not say that Henri Verneuil was not French. He was Armenian. His real name was Achod Zakarian. His last two films Mayrig and 588 rue Paradis (1992/3) are two partly autobiographical films about his precocious loss of innocence (consecutive to the Genocide), his own family value (going hand in hand with toleration for immigrants!!!)

The article also does not address the still unanswered question: Why did Hitler stop Heinz Guderian on his way to Dunkirk making the evacuation possible...

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Two Conflicting Views About Dunkirk

Christopher Nolan’s film about the 1940 evacuation is released on our screens.

More than half a century after Henri Verneuil, Christopher Nolan is depicting the Battle of Dunkirk of May 1940. Two film about one and the same topic but that clash in every possible way.

Weekend à Zuydcoote was a big production with 3,000 extras, military equipment of the time and Jean-Paul Belmondo. 3,000,000 admissions in France. A massive success.

Dunkirk was shot in Dunkirk and completed in Los Angeles. With a Hollywoodian budget. In Imax! It had 6,000 extras and ships that were used for the 1940 evacuation.

One side is General De Gaulle’s France and on the other side is Hollywood, its studios and its 11-figure industry. The topic is the same: the Battle of Dunkirk and the evacuation of the British (& French) troops to Britain after the allied disaster in May 1940. The setting is also Dunkirk and surroundings.

In 1964 Henri Verneuil adapts Robert Merle’s novel Weekend à Zuydcoote [English version is Weekend in Dunkirk, I think] (Goncourt Prize in 1949) starring young Jean-Paul Belmondo. The viewpoint is obviously French and a witness of its era. We are here 20 years after the war and the scars are still visible. No way is it possible to get back to it without any filter or even self-censorship.

57 years later Christopher Nolan, British director, adulated versatile genius in Hollywood is starting his first war film which he announces as an “almost experimental thriller”. Which it is! The viewpoint here is British and triple (young soldiers trying to get on board, RAF pilots and civilians on a merchant ship coming for help). Even if comparison is not reason, let us compare.

1 The opening scene Both films start with a similar scene: leaflets from German planes. They are announcing the annexation of Poland, Belgian & Dutch armies capitulation and the disaster of the French army. But there’s already a difference: Verneuil is saying what is written on these leaflets. With Nolan we have no time to know…

The genre
So you are getting away? Oh, but I’m gonna get bored without you!
With Verneuil the war is a pretext for social relationship. Weekend à Zuydcoote is a film about a band of mates, a real “Franchouillard” comedy [that is a very common term in French cinema to describe such comedies] with blowouts and puns despite a tragedy in the background. Let us remember that the film was released in 1964. General De Gaulle is in power. You are not looking at the war in the eyes, at least not in cinema!
Chris Nolan obviously has a different approach. His film is a suffocating ‘huis-clos’ on the beach of Dunkirk, a sensorial thriller with only one question: are they going to survive?

3 The Rhythm It’s one of the key elements in the Nolan film. Dunkirk is a time-trial in chaos. The rhythm is relentless and supported by a very tensed soundtrack. On the other hand, Weekend à Zuydcoote, it’s as though there was no trouble. Life is beautiful in Dunkirk. Life is beautiful in France. The air is like a whistle worthy of the film “La chèvre” [very popular comedy by Francis Veber in the eighties starring Gérard Depardieu and Pierre Richard]. The soldiers are relaxed and reassuring. Belmondo is walking from one house to one regiment, casually, scruffy, drinks down a bottle of whiskard and then chooses to go and see the Brits in order to get on board as well which will take him out of this. He does not rejoice at leaving his country but living under these bombing is not pleasant.

4 The characters In Weekend à Zuydcoote the soldiers are adults though young. Most of them with families and children. They are chatting, drinking, talking about home. To put it simply, they are friends! The film is talkative and even has time to place a romance between Belmondo and a young girl from Dunkirk played by Catherine Spaak [French actress with Belgian roots!]. The woman’s role is then to admire the protective and reassuring soldier and by the same token, offering herself to him. Weekend à Zuydcoote is not exactly the feminist kind. The era was not either.

In Dunkirk the only female character is a cook who is just passing by. The soldiers are young, most of them just teens. They don’t talk. You don’t know anything about them. They are living in the present time or rather surviving, alone or together with the first guy that they are encountering.

On the French side, it’s yapping all the way. There is verb with most beautiful effet. Weekend à Zuydcoote is a literary film. No wonder it is based on a novel that won the Goncourt prize. Robert Merle even wrote the dialogues of the film. And like in every good French film of that era it’s gushing with sheared words which are making more effects than the bombings.
The abbey is f*cking you!
Oh Father, what is the problem?
I’m adapting.

5 The war and the historical viewpoint With Nolan, war is everywhere, almost physically palpable (the sound of German planes diving to the beach!). No flags, no morality, even less bravery. Just scare and survival instinct.

On the contrary with Verneuil, the French soldier is not afraid. He’s brave and courageous. He’s relaxed at home, in this sweet France. It’s interesting to note that the horrors of the war can only be felt when the ship with Belmondo on board is leaving Dunkirk and France. Then the war is exposed the way it is: frightening, destructive, real. It destroys friendships and loves. It is smearing France.

Another point which gathers both films together – the only one along with the opening scene – is the rivalry between French and Brits. While both countries are allied they are not one and the same army, one and the same team, one brotherhood. Far from it! Nation first! Nolan is offering a more positive note in placing some hints of empathy between French and Brits despite mistrust. Because at the end of the day both are swimming in the same blood bath…

Conclusion: Weekend à Zuydcoote is depicting a courageous France, left to its own fate but which is after a victor, supporting the Gaullist assumption that all France (or almost) was in the resistance.

On the other hand Dunkirk which is released today, in an era when patriotism is mixed with nationalism, is showing war as a destructive mudbath in which there’s nothing noble to save. Nolan’s film is a deaf shout, a “Never this again!” which can be felt deep in anyone’s flesh, still wounded 60 years after
 
Some flicks I had watched recently...

Breaking Away (1979) - Mostly fun for bicycle people, but what I don't get is why Dave's dad is so vehemently against "Itys", or any other nationality.

Play Misty For Me (1971) - Crikes, I don't mind slow movies at all, but was this one about 30 minutes too long because of Clint Eastwood's self-indulgence as a first time director?

Do The Right Thing (1989) - Is this whole thing between blacks and Italians still going on in Bed-Stuy nowadays? Wouldn't surprise me, but then I've never lived there. Otherwise an excellent flick, though, methinks.
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
Some flicks I had watched recently...

Breaking Away (1979) - Mostly fun for bicycle people, but what I don't get is why Dave's dad is so vehemently against "Itys", or any other nationality.

Play Misty For Me (1971) - Crikes, I don't mind slow movies at all, but was this one about 30 minutes too long because of Clint Eastwood's self-indulgence as a first time director?

Do The Right Thing (1989) - Is this whole thing between blacks and Italians still going on in Bed-Stuy nowadays? Wouldn't surprise me, but then I've never lived there. Otherwise an excellent flick, though, methinks.

I thought Breaking Away was a fun movie. Dennis Christopher and Dennis Quaid were very good. Play Misty For Me was so so and Do the Right Thing I think is Spike Lee's best movie, very good film.
 
Straight Outta Compton (2015) - As a movie I think it's okay, and I admittedly do like a handful of gangsta rap songs. But this is no documentary, seeing as some very important and factual tidbits had been omitted.

(I actually did have to do some reading and googling after I had watched the movie in order to realize just how many of the tidbits had been omitted.)
 
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....Citizen X....a no budget film that relied on brains and art....beautiful, simple, smashing....highly recommended...

Cheers
 
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Echoes said:
There was an interesting article in "Le Soir" last Wednesday about the release of "Dunkirk", here in Belgium.

A comparison with Henri Verneuil's Weekend à Zuydcoote. It interested me because Henri Verneuil is easily my favourite director in French cinema, possibly my favourite director overall (very prolific in making good films) and actor Jean-Paul Belmondo, a legend of an actor. A stunt actor with irony and an ever so relaxed attitude, in my top5 favourite actors. However this was not my favourite Verneuil film but still the dialogues were there, as I recall them because it's been a long time since I last saw it.

The article does not say that Henri Verneuil was not French. He was Armenian. His real name was Achod Zakarian. His last two films Mayrig and 588 rue Paradis (1992/3) are two partly autobiographical films about his precocious loss of innocence (consecutive to the Genocide), his own family value (going hand in hand with toleration for immigrants!!!)

The article also does not address the still unanswered question: Why did Hitler stop Heinz Guderian on his way to Dunkirk making the evacuation possible...

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Two Conflicting Views About Dunkirk

Christopher Nolan’s film about the 1940 evacuation is released on our screens.

More than half a century after Henri Verneuil, Christopher Nolan is depicting the Battle of Dunkirk of May 1940. Two film about one and the same topic but that clash in every possible way.

Weekend à Zuydcoote was a big production with 3,000 extras, military equipment of the time and Jean-Paul Belmondo. 3,000,000 admissions in France. A massive success.

Dunkirk was shot in Dunkirk and completed in Los Angeles. With a Hollywoodian budget. In Imax! It had 6,000 extras and ships that were used for the 1940 evacuation.

One side is General De Gaulle’s France and on the other side is Hollywood, its studios and its 11-figure industry. The topic is the same: the Battle of Dunkirk and the evacuation of the British (& French) troops to Britain after the allied disaster in May 1940. The setting is also Dunkirk and surroundings.

In 1964 Henri Verneuil adapts Robert Merle’s novel Weekend à Zuydcoote [English version is Weekend in Dunkirk, I think] (Goncourt Prize in 1949) starring young Jean-Paul Belmondo. The viewpoint is obviously French and a witness of its era. We are here 20 years after the war and the scars are still visible. No way is it possible to get back to it without any filter or even self-censorship.

57 years later Christopher Nolan, British director, adulated versatile genius in Hollywood is starting his first war film which he announces as an “almost experimental thriller”. Which it is! The viewpoint here is British and triple (young soldiers trying to get on board, RAF pilots and civilians on a merchant ship coming for help). Even if comparison is not reason, let us compare.

1 The opening scene Both films start with a similar scene: leaflets from German planes. They are announcing the annexation of Poland, Belgian & Dutch armies capitulation and the disaster of the French army. But there’s already a difference: Verneuil is saying what is written on these leaflets. With Nolan we have no time to know…

The genre
So you are getting away? Oh, but I’m gonna get bored without you!
With Verneuil the war is a pretext for social relationship. Weekend à Zuydcoote is a film about a band of mates, a real “Franchouillard” comedy [that is a very common term in French cinema to describe such comedies] with blowouts and puns despite a tragedy in the background. Let us remember that the film was released in 1964. General De Gaulle is in power. You are not looking at the war in the eyes, at least not in cinema!
Chris Nolan obviously has a different approach. His film is a suffocating ‘huis-clos’ on the beach of Dunkirk, a sensorial thriller with only one question: are they going to survive?

3 The Rhythm It’s one of the key elements in the Nolan film. Dunkirk is a time-trial in chaos. The rhythm is relentless and supported by a very tensed soundtrack. On the other hand, Weekend à Zuydcoote, it’s as though there was no trouble. Life is beautiful in Dunkirk. Life is beautiful in France. The air is like a whistle worthy of the film “La chèvre” [very popular comedy by Francis Veber in the eighties starring Gérard Depardieu and Pierre Richard]. The soldiers are relaxed and reassuring. Belmondo is walking from one house to one regiment, casually, scruffy, drinks down a bottle of whiskard and then chooses to go and see the Brits in order to get on board as well which will take him out of this. He does not rejoice at leaving his country but living under these bombing is not pleasant.

4 The characters In Weekend à Zuydcoote the soldiers are adults though young. Most of them with families and children. They are chatting, drinking, talking about home. To put it simply, they are friends! The film is talkative and even has time to place a romance between Belmondo and a young girl from Dunkirk played by Catherine Spaak [French actress with Belgian roots!]. The woman’s role is then to admire the protective and reassuring soldier and by the same token, offering herself to him. Weekend à Zuydcoote is not exactly the feminist kind. The era was not either.

In Dunkirk the only female character is a cook who is just passing by. The soldiers are young, most of them just teens. They don’t talk. You don’t know anything about them. They are living in the present time or rather surviving, alone or together with the first guy that they are encountering.

On the French side, it’s yapping all the way. There is verb with most beautiful effet. Weekend à Zuydcoote is a literary film. No wonder it is based on a novel that won the Goncourt prize. Robert Merle even wrote the dialogues of the film. And like in every good French film of that era it’s gushing with sheared words which are making more effects than the bombings.
The abbey is f*cking you!
Oh Father, what is the problem?
I’m adapting.

5 The war and the historical viewpoint With Nolan, war is everywhere, almost physically palpable (the sound of German planes diving to the beach!). No flags, no morality, even less bravery. Just scare and survival instinct.

On the contrary with Verneuil, the French soldier is not afraid. He’s brave and courageous. He’s relaxed at home, in this sweet France. It’s interesting to note that the horrors of the war can only be felt when the ship with Belmondo on board is leaving Dunkirk and France. Then the war is exposed the way it is: frightening, destructive, real. It destroys friendships and loves. It is smearing France.

Another point which gathers both films together – the only one along with the opening scene – is the rivalry between French and Brits. While both countries are allied they are not one and the same army, one and the same team, one brotherhood. Far from it! Nation first! Nolan is offering a more positive note in placing some hints of empathy between French and Brits despite mistrust. Because at the end of the day both are swimming in the same blood bath…

Conclusion: Weekend à Zuydcoote is depicting a courageous France, left to its own fate but which is after a victor, supporting the Gaullist assumption that all France (or almost) was in the resistance.

On the other hand Dunkirk which is released today, in an era when patriotism is mixed with nationalism, is showing war as a destructive mudbath in which there’s nothing noble to save. Nolan’s film is a deaf shout, a “Never this again!” which can be felt deep in anyone’s flesh, still wounded 60 years after

....yeah to the bolded....big question....

Cheers
 
Courtesy of Amazon Prime I've been on an 80s - early 90s bad TV movies (Lifetime channel material) kick as of late...

Exclusive (1992) - a thriller w/Suzanne Somers post her Chrissy Snow/Three's Company days, terrible flick.

Naked Lie (1989) - a thriller w/Victoria Principal post her Pam Ewing/Dallas days, terrible flick.

Criminal Law (1988) - a legal thriller with a young Kevin Bacon and young Gary Oldman, Oldman's overacting is so atrocious it's a minor miracle he ever made it into the big time in the 90s. His giant hair is a sight to behold, though. Terrible flick.

All the aforementioned are just pure dumb fun, it's also fun to see the bad fashion and bad hairstyles of the past. (Remember when women wore such huge shoulder pads they looked like linebackers? Whoever thought that was a good idea... :lol:)