Movistar Tactics

[puffin]

Wtf movistar?

Spend strength chasing hard on the flat then get Quintana to launch a crazy long range solo attack against the skytrain. A stage with one long climb at the end was always going to be dominated by sky.

If they wanted Quintana to gain time why chase on the flat? If they just wanted the stage win then why not just follow Froome?

Most importantly with such a strong team why make Quintana attack on his own? WHY!?!

I have just watched highlights so I may have missed something.

Someone please help me to understand!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Movistar was dumb today. First Costa who could only do a 500m turn..

Then Quintana too early (but worked out pretty well in the end). And Valverde..well, Valverde showed why making him leader was a wrong move in the 1st place. He's simply not good enough. Today he was worse than Fuglsang, Ten Dam, Mollema, etc and all.

 

[roundabout]

Sky was slightly stronger than anticipated, Quintana attacked a bit too early, but it was the right idea and probably someone (Valverde?) should have helped him initially.

Otherwise they did ok.

 

[BigMac]

Right, Right... Let us not forget the entire Movistar including Valverde are prolly not fully recovered from the friday's stage, where they did uber amounts of effort in vain. About Quintana, i think it was wise to send him first. He would't have survived Froomes' idiotic and bizarre accelaration, this way he managed to keep second and gain lots of time at least.

You see, the problem is not Movistars' bad tactics, but Skys'... (take it to the clinic)

 

[Billie]

Sending Quintana out so early was quite smart, it meant Quintana was still with Froome at Chalet Reynard where he could gain a lot through drafting Froome

 

[mopar769]

About Quintana, I think it was wise to send him first. He wouldn't have survived Froomes' idiotic and bizarre acceleration, this way he managed to keep second and gain lots of time at least.

Agreed, it almost seemed to be an advantage for Mikel Nieve, and Quintana to go off the front early, then just TT up by themselves, than to suffer though all the accelerations that ripped the group apart.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Sending Quintana out so early was quite smart, it meant Quintana was still with Froome at Chalet Reynard where he could gain a lot through drafting Froome

No, Sending him out 13 km out meant he had to work for ~ 40 mins at ~FTP which is what caused him to lose 30 s in 2 km to Froome.
Not good tactics by Movistar on Ventoux as well as Ax 3

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Agreed, it almost seemed to be an advantage for Mikel Nieve, and Quintana to go off the front early, then just TT up by themselves, than to suffer though all the accelerations that ripped the group apart.

well then you are wrong. what accelrations exactly? we only saw 2 of froome, one which contador who was alreayd in red couldn't follow and oen, which quintana followed with ease. imagine him being in the wheel of froome whole climb. only in wind part would've been hard since he's 51 kg in topform

 

[theyoungest]

well then you are wrong. what accelrations exactly? we only saw 2 of froome, one which contador who was alreayd in red couldn't follow and oen, which quintana followed with ease. imagine him being in the wheel of froome whole climb. only in wind part would've been hard since he's 51 kg in topform

Look, Quintana is probably the best climber in this race after Froome. But Froome's acceleration where he dropped Contador was too hard for anyone to follow, he had to brake in the corner a la Pantani. Quintana definitely profited from the fact that he was already up ahead.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Look, Quintana is probably the best climber in this race after Froome. But Froome's acceleration where he dropped Contador was too hard for anyone to follow, he had to break in the corner a la Pantani. Quintana definitely profited from the fact that he was already up ahead.

froome had to rbeka because that is one of the flattest corner sin ventoux, that part is 4% still he dropped contador, who was dropped by nieve, who was dropped by quintana. that means nothing. quintana doesn't follow attacks he rides his own rhythm and would've coem back like he did when froome attacked quintana in similar way. if he profited so much from his ealry attack then I wonder why quintana himself said he had attacked too early

 

[theyoungest]

froome had to rbeka because that is one of the flattest corner sin ventoux, that part is 4% still he dropped contador, who was dropped by nieve, who was dropped by quintana. that means nothing. quintana doesn't follow attacks he rides his own rhythm and would've coem back like he did when froome attacked quintana in similar way. if he profited so much from his ealry attack then I wonder why quintana himself said he had attacked too early

Froome almost immediately opened about a minute gap with that first attack, that was definitely the hardest. Of course Quintana feels he could have done better, after all he probably wanted to win.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Froome almost immediately opened about a minute gap with that first attack, that was definitely the hardest. Of course Quintana feels he could have done better, after all he probably wanted to win.

no he opened up a 25 second gap to a dieing contador. he closed much slower to quintana for instance. still the final part was bad for quintana anyway because of all the widna nd him being so light, compared to froome, however I think in third week the climbs will be better for him, alpe dhuez, madeleine, I can see a war happening in madeleine for instance for kom and gc with movistar and saxo vs weak sky

 

[Rollthedice]

Quintana has a great chance to bag the white and the polka dot jersey. Should be very impressive.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I think there will be a pact between Sky & Movistar. Quintana in trying for podium will need help from Froome. Valverde to win on Alpe will require no chasing from Sky. All in return for no attacks.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Quintana has a great chance to bag the white and the polka dot jersey. Should be very impressive.

And podium. He is only 1 minute behind.

 

[mopar769]

well then you are wrong. what accelrations exactly? we only saw 2 of froome, one which contador who was alreayd in red couldn't follow and oen, which quintana followed with ease. imagine him being in the wheel of froome whole climb. only in wind part would've been hard since he's 51 kg in topform

Ryo,
I fail to see any logic in your argument. When Kennaugh pulled off and Porte stepped on the gas, there were 13 riders following Froome as you believe Quintana should have done, and in a matter of 6 minutes there was only an "in the red, dying" Contador (your words not mine) left. When Froome launched away from Porte, it only took him 2 minutes to catch Quintana, but 14 minutes to dispatch him. Why did it take Froome so long to shake Quintana? Because the Columbian had been maintaining his own pace ahead of the melee caused by Porte that destroyed the 13 just trying to ride wheels.

 

[RiccoDinko]

Interesting to see how Nairo fares against Froome in the next TT, being a mountain TT, we should be able to see how far from Froome he is.

 

[wwabbit]

Why did it take Froome so long to shake Quintana? Because the Columbian had been maintaining his own pace ahead of the melee caused by Porte that destroyed the 13 just trying to ride wheels.

I thought Froome wasn't really trying to shake Quintana for the 14 minutes. They had a mutually beneficial goal in working together to put time into their rivals behind so that Froome can increase his lead over Mollema and Contador while at the same time Quintana can increase his lead over Kwaitkowski and to gain back time on Mollema and Contador, so they worked together as far as they can until Froome decided that the pace isn't fast enough for him.

Froome's first 'attack' on Quintana was a little strange. The only reason I can think for doing that was to test Quintana to see if he is able to follow and set the pace that Froome thinks he needs to distance the rest.

 

[wwabbit]

Interesting to see how Nairo fares against Froome in the next TT, being a mountain TT, we should be able to see how far from Froome he is.

It's more of a hilly TT than a mountain TT like in Paris Nice stage 7, Romandie prologue or Giro stage 18.

That said, Quintana did extremely well in the hilly TT at Pais Vasco, coming in second behind Tony Martin and pipping Richie Porte for the overall win.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I thought Froome wasn't really trying to shake Quintana for the 14 minutes. They had a mutually beneficial goal in working together to put time into their rivals behind so that Froome can increase his lead over Mollema and Contador while at the same time Quintana can increase his lead over Kwaitkowski and to gain back time on Mollema and Contador, so they worked together as far as they can until Froome decided that the pace isn't fast enough for him.

Froome's first 'attack' on Quintana was a little strange. The only reason I can think for doing that was to test Quintana to see if he is able to follow and set the pace that Froome thinks he needs to distance the rest.

it was obvious from teh first moment froome wanted to drop quintana. eh attacked him twice in fact and he followed. after that he begged for cooperation as froome is too afraid to do the work alone

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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[Hugo Koblet]

Nicely done and smart riding by Movistar today. Now 2nd and 3rd seems very likely.

 

[BigMac]

Sky looked worse today. I think it's possible to isolate Froome and attack him. Not sure Movistar is into it with their defensive riding but if for one they aspire winning they should attack with Quintana and VV from far out. Others maybe be interested in helping.

I don't know what was that train in Pra Loup today, though.

 

[Melo]

Re:

Sky looked worse today. I think it's possible to isolate Froome and attack him. Not sure Movistar is into it with their defensive riding but if for one they aspire winning they should attack with Quintana and VV from far out. Others maybe be interested in helping.

I don't know what was that train in Pra Loup today, though.

All the peloton can attack Froome, it doesn't matter, he responds to every attack with ease, he's like a cyborg who is programmed to do certain things.

 

[Netserk]

Really took advantage of being 2 against an isolated Froome on the last climb...