Movistar

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Quintana's ride up Croix de Fer fastest in history after 3 weeks racing then the performance on L'Alpe proves how ridiculous Movistar were.

No one clean could be that.

How many times in history have they ridden the Croix de Fer by this route and when?

I charge a lot to do others research.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

Quintana's ride up Croix de Fer fastest in history after 3 weeks racing then the performance on L'Alpe proves how ridiculous Movistar were.

No one clean could be that.

How many times in history have they ridden the Croix de Fer by this route and when?

I charge a lot to do others research.

Surely you must have looked into it though if you say no one clean could do that?

I would expect info like who has ridden it, in what years and under what circumstances to make such a bold claim

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Re: Re:

Quintana's ride up Croix de Fer fastest in history after 3 weeks racing then the performance on L'Alpe proves how ridiculous Movistar were.

No one clean could be that.

How many times in history have they ridden the Croix de Fer by this route and when?

I charge a lot to do others research.

Surely you must have looked into it though if you say no one clean could do that?

I would expect info like who has ridden it, in what years and under what circumstances to make such a bold claim

Col de la Croix de Fer
2015:28,5 km km@5,2%---1:07:53---average speed 25.19 km/h(Quintana-Valverde)-RECORD
---1:07:57---average speed 25.17 km/h(Froome-Nibali)
---1:08:16---average speed 25.05 km/h(Porte-Pinot-Contador)
2008:28,5 km km@5,2%---1:10:35---average speed 24.23 km/h(Kohl-30 riders peloton)
1995:28,5 km km@5,2%---1:09:49---average speed 24.49 km/h(Virenque-Munoz-Dufaux-Bruyneel-Bolts-Gotti-Mejia-Jalabert-Elli-Escartin)
---1:10:04---average speed 24.41 km/h(Vicente Aparicio)
---1:10:25---average speed 24.28 km/h(Vona-Simoni)
---1:11:21---average speed 23.97 km/h(20 riders peloton)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good effort by Udo Bolts

 

[42x16ss]

2nd and 3rd in the Tour merits 4 posts. Numerologically intriguing and good to see we're beyond equating dominant performances with doping. Chapeau.

Edit. Everyone's favourite objective sports scientist seems to believe, now, that we shouldn't rush to judgement based solely on known limits of physiology.

Ross Tucker @Scienceofsport
@Cubed120 depends whether one wants to believe the fictitious argument that numbers alone are cause for suspicion. Even then,much to wonder

Please show me where anyone ever said judgment should be based "solely on known limits of physiology".

We know Froome is doping for a hundred and one reasons put together. On its own its not enough. Together with faking a disease, lying about numbers, getting coached by dopers, showing total lack of talent as a younger rider, and a few other pieces, the puzzle is complete.

You know *** all, as you know.

There's an astonishing double-standard here. No need for transparency and inquisitions at Movistar. They haven't faked a disease etc

I see no one here defending Movistar, they just aren't attacking them as much as you'd like. There's a difference.

I get that it's hard for some here to get their head around the difference in posts, but Movistar isn't transforming mediocre riders into GT dominators, or launching a multi front PR battle that is, frankly, insulting people's intelligence.

Movistar are doping. Everyone here gets it. Accept that Sky under the PR, Sky is identical.

PS: Valverde has failed just as many doping tests as Froome

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

Quintana's ride up Croix de Fer fastest in history after 3 weeks racing then the performance on L'Alpe proves how ridiculous Movistar were.

No one clean could be that.

I am happy because I came second playing chess against the world champion!!

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

According to this (from 40:50) Quintana did 6,76W/Kg in Alpe D'Huez

https://twitter.com/Soyunalavadora/status/625750067580899328

Do you believe that number?
I want to test your knowledge!

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

According to this (from 40:50) Quintana did 6,76W/Kg in Alpe D'Huez

https://twitter.com/Soyunalavadora/status/625750067580899328

Do you believe that number?
I want to test your knowledge!

If Quintana did 6.76 up the Alpe, then the estimate of 7w/kg for froome up psm was also fully accurate (although 5.78 is even more accurate )

 

[BigMac]

Oh dear.

 

[Squirbos_19]

Re:

Oh dear.

Oh dear indeed

Suddenly great rides by the Movistar duo after the rest day.

 

[Benotti69]

I wonder was there more than a blood bag involved as no motocameras followed Piti.........

 

[BigMac]

Full genius time trial by Valverde and Quintana.

I mean, what the serious hell was that.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Big gear Quintana, lol.

We know already how Valverde can perform post rest days.

 

[roundabout]

That's the sort of boost Quintana must have been looking forward to in Andorra.

 

[Irondan]

I did a double take when I saw the results sheet and thought it was weird to see Valverde in 3rd. "Weird" might be an understatement..

 

[roundabout]

Weird? No. The man has multiple top-3 ITT results.

And he has only been around for lass than 15 years.

It's somewhat surprising, but not more than that.

 

[Irondan]

Weird because he hasn't been a podium in a World Tour ITT in a long time IIRC.

I know he's been around a long time and has a decent ITT but podium in a grand tour?

Weird..

 

[Billie]

This was the 8th time he finished top 5 in a Vuelta timetrial. Some of them where mtt's but still. Hardly surprising.

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=140924&c=5&season=all&edition_id=0&st3=1&ex_ttt=1&sort_by=position&ApplyFilter=Filter

 

[hrotha]

Only second time post-suspension, mind.

 

[roundabout]

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Weird because he hasn't been a podium in a World Tour ITT in a long time IIRC.

I know he's been around a long time and has a decent ITT but podium in a grand tour?

Weird..

it's hardly a huge jump for a habitual top-10 TT rider.

25 seconds slower and he would have been 6th, 30 seconds and he would have been 9th

But whatever, that's 2 posts more of me sort of defending Piti than he deserves

 

[Irondan]

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Weird because he hasn't been a podium in a World Tour ITT in a long time IIRC.

I know he's been around a long time and has a decent ITT but podium in a grand tour?

Weird..

it's hardly a huge jump for a habitual top-10 TT rider.

25 seconds slower and he would have been 6th, 30 seconds and he would have been 9th

But whatever, that's 2 posts more of me sort of defending Piti than he deserves

I won't put you in a position where you have to defend him again.

I acknowledge his ITT results, we'll leave it at that.

Cheers!

 

[fmk_RoI]

Anyone know why Matt Rendell has ceased being Movistar's pres officer? He was only appointed in November.

 

[Kokoso]

How about Amador? I realize that it probably has been discussed here throughly but don't have enough power to read this all. Last year's Giro surprise. In 2012 he couldn't follow Bárta who is not climber at all on Col de Joux, 2045 4th at Giro. Only one proffesional win. Not excatly most expectable result. Not exactly Froomish, but far from what he ever had done before.

 

[BigMac]

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How about Amador? I realize that it probably has been discussed here throughly but don't have enough power to read this all. Last year's Giro surprise. In 2012 he couldn't follow Bárta who is not climber at all on Col de Joux, 2045 4th at Giro. Only one proffesional win. Not excatly most expectable result. Not exactly Froomish, but far from what he ever had done before.

Did Amador not win that stage?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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How about Amador? I realize that it probably has been discussed here throughly but don't have enough power to read this all. Last year's Giro surprise. In 2012 he couldn't follow Bárta who is not climber at all on Col de Joux, 2045 4th at Giro. Only one proffesional win. Not excatly most expectable result. Not exactly Froomish, but far from what he ever had done before.

What exactly do you have against Amador?.... I have seen you have questioned his performances in the road racing forum as well

There are hundreds and hundreds who are a lot more shady than Amador IMO