Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[SeriousSam]

It is no more correct to attribute his loss to hesitant riding in the last week

 

[Forever The Best]

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He already said that he would be more defensive.I can't see any good things that this will bring.

Whats this agenda, can't you let it rest? He obviously won't wait again, he even stated in the interview that he wanted to do a similar attack on Ventoux.

Tranquillo, amigo. Valverde is done and dusted now, don't act like it didn't matter.

See my 2nd post.
That applies to you too Escarabajo.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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He already said that he would be more defensive.I can't see any good things that this will bring.

Whats this agenda, can't you let it rest? He obviously won't wait again, he even stated in the interview that he wanted to do a similar attack on Ventoux.

Tranquillo, amigo. Valverde is done and dusted now, don't act like it didn't matter.

See my 2nd post.
That applies to you too Escarabajo.

What 2nd post? Right now, you are just a hater. Let him ride this Tour and you can criticise him afterwards, the same comments over and over again are frankly annoying.

 

[SeriousSam]

"They are teammates with which I feel comfortable," Quintana said.

"Sometimes they tell me to take a stronger one, but I prefer one who is a little less but that gives me one hundred percent, not the strongest that saves a little for his own performance. I give my opinion to choose the best team. It's hard to choose, because they are all in very good shape, but it will be decided after the Dauphiné and Switzerland."

"Daniel Moreno I think will be key to helping me in the last week. Valverde reached at a high level the Giro d'Italia, and wants to focus on the Olympics and come to the Tour to fully help, and is another great rider we have for the last week

lol

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hahaha, yeah. Good stuff

 

[Forever The Best]

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Forever The Best"]He already said that he would be more defensive.I can't see any good things that this will bring.[/quote]

Whats this agenda, can't you let it rest? He obviously won't wait again, he even stated in the interview that he wanted to do a similar attack on Ventoux.

Tranquillo, amigo. Valverde is done and dusted now, don't act like it didn't matter.[/quote]See my 2nd post.
That applies to you too Escarabajo.[/quote]
What 2nd post? Right now, you are just a hater. Let him ride this Tour and you can criticise him afterwards, the same comments over and over again are frankly annoying.[/quote]

Didn't see the part that he would attack earlier.Good news.Maybe he learned from his mistakes.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Ah ok, my bad then

 

[Escarabajo]

I read the interview as well. Well, Valverde did the Giro already so we can only hope that he will be devoted to one cause. Besides it looks like he feels comfortable with him.

 

[ILovecycling]

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"They are teammates with which I feel comfortable," Quintana said.

"Sometimes they tell me to take a stronger one, but I prefer one who is a little less but that gives me one hundred percent, not the strongest that saves a little for his own performance. I give my opinion to choose the best team. It's hard to choose, because they are all in very good shape, but it will be decided after the Dauphiné and Switzerland."

"Daniel Moreno I think will be key to helping me in the last week. Valverde reached at a high level the Giro d'Italia, and wants to focus on the Olympics and come to the Tour to fully help, and is another great rider we have for the last week

lol

Lol that gave me a good laugh

 

[lenric]

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"They are teammates with which I feel comfortable," Quintana said.

"Sometimes they tell me to take a stronger one, but I prefer one who is a little less but that gives me one hundred percent, not the strongest that saves a little for his own performance. I give my opinion to choose the best team. It's hard to choose, because they are all in very good shape, but it will be decided after the Dauphiné and Switzerland."

"Daniel Moreno I think will be key to helping me in the last week. Valverde reached at a high level the Giro d'Italia, and wants to focus on the Olympics and come to the Tour to fully help, and is another great rider we have for the last week

lol

Quintana: the ultimate dominatrix rider ready to pull the whip on his selfless minions.

 

[sir fly]

After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

I don't think he will be out climbed either. The stages are perfect for Quintana unless Sky goes bananas on Aspin, he shouldn't be en trouble at Arcalis on the 3rd day in the Pyrenees and after such a hard stage. I think its a tendency that the harder the stage is before the finale, the less impressive is Froome.

 

[sir fly]

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After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

I don't think he will be out climbed either. The stages are perfect for Quintana unless Sky goes bananas on Aspin, he shouldn't be en trouble at Arcalis on the 3rd day in the Pyrenees and after such a hard stage. I think its a tendency that the harder the stage is before the finale, the less impressive is Froome.

Yes, the more altitude gain before the finish - less power in Froome's legs. And notorious third week... Although Froome plans to delay his peak exactly because of the third week, but his Dauphine was pretty much the same as last year, and we know how the Tour unfolded.
Quintana has all reasons to be optimistic.

 

[AlexNYC]

It's going to be close; the Sky train is looking stronger than ever. Unsurprisingly, a lot is going to depend on how Nairo does in the two ITTs. I agree that I don't see anyone out climbing Quintana, but Froome doesn't have to.

 

[Fernandez]

I have the feeling Quintana is gonna fly over Tour´s mountains. This is gonna be the Condors year.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Worth bearing in mind that last year there was a lot less TTing (although the time lost in the echelons equated to his gap to Froome with a longer TT)

 

[sir fly]

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It's going to be close; the Sky train is looking stronger than ever. Unsurprisingly, a lot is going to depend on how Nairo does in the two ITTs. I agree that I don't see anyone out climbing Quintana, but Froome doesn't have to.

You're right, Sky train looks like upgrading from season to season. And there will be Thomas, too.
But there's plenty of opportunities in the Alps.

 

[May0maniac]

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After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

I don't think he will be out climbed either. The stages are perfect for Quintana unless Sky goes bananas on Aspin, he shouldn't be en trouble at Arcalis on the 3rd day in the Pyrenees and after such a hard stage. I think its a tendency that the harder the stage is before the finale, the less impressive is Froome.

Yeah, Froome has a really high wattage on a stage wih one single climb at the end, but if it's a really hard stage with many climbs he won't get much time on a real mountain goat like Nairo.
The Ventoux stage will be crucial, if Froome is able to crack his opponents on that stage he should also be able to gain even more time on the ITT on the next stage, if Froome wants to win the Tour he has to gain a big amount of time on those 2 stages.

 

[hrotha]

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It's going to be close; the Sky train is looking stronger than ever. Unsurprisingly, a lot is going to depend on how Nairo does in the two ITTs. I agree that I don't see anyone out climbing Quintana, but Froome doesn't have to.

You're right, Sky train looks like upgrading from season to season. And there will be Thomas, too.
But there's plenty of opportunities in the Alps.

Huh? It never looked stronger than in 2012, then came two subpar years until the team as a whole got better again last year.

Sky is far from the infallible machine many people want/fear.

 

[sir fly]

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It's going to be close; the Sky train is looking stronger than ever. Unsurprisingly, a lot is going to depend on how Nairo does in the two ITTs. I agree that I don't see anyone out climbing Quintana, but Froome doesn't have to.

You're right, Sky train looks like upgrading from season to season. And there will be Thomas, too.
But there's plenty of opportunities in the Alps.

Huh? It never looked stronger than in 2012, then came two subpar years until the team as a whole got better again last year.

Sky is far from the infallible machine many people want/fear.

Possible. Nevertheless, train that can close gaps to the world's best climbers without their leader needing to put his nose in the wind is a neat accessory.
And I wouldn't be taking 2012. for a valid reference.

 

[Põhja Konn]

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After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

I don't think he will be out climbed either. The stages are perfect for Quintana unless Sky goes bananas on Aspin, he shouldn't be en trouble at Arcalis on the 3rd day in the Pyrenees and after such a hard stage. I think its a tendency that the harder the stage is before the finale, the less impressive is Froome.

Yeah, Froome has a really high wattage on a stage wih one single climb at the end, but if it's a really hard stage with many climbs he won't get much time on a real mountain goat like Nairo.
The Ventoux stage will be crucial, if Froome is able to crack his opponents on that stage he should also be able to gain even more time on the ITT on the next stage, if Froome wants to win the Tour he has to gain a big amount of time on those 2 stages.

I would be unpleasantly surprised if Froome gains any time on Ventoux over Quintana. 3 years ago Nairo attacked very early, was caught by Froome during the penultimate km and only lost about half a minute in the end. He is most certainly stronger now, while Froome is on similar level at best.

 

[dacooley]

any statements from nairo on the eve of rut du sud? gonna be a walk in the park for him.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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any statements from nairo on the eve of rut du sud? gonna be a walk in the park for him.

There was this article posted 2 days ago in this thread, but I dno if he said anything about Sud, I don't think so. But he SHOULD win easily with a short ITT and a decently hard MTF.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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After watching the Dauphine, I don't think Quintana will be outclimbed at the Tour.
Contador clearly below Tour standard, and Froome needs to be surgeon precise with his attack. Doesn't seem to have capacity for more than a couple of all out accelerations.

I don't think he will be out climbed either. The stages are perfect for Quintana unless Sky goes bananas on Aspin, he shouldn't be en trouble at Arcalis on the 3rd day in the Pyrenees and after such a hard stage. I think its a tendency that the harder the stage is before the finale, the less impressive is Froome.

Yeah, Froome has a really high wattage on a stage wih one single climb at the end, but if it's a really hard stage with many climbs he won't get much time on a real mountain goat like Nairo.
The Ventoux stage will be crucial, if Froome is able to crack his opponents on that stage he should also be able to gain even more time on the ITT on the next stage, if Froome wants to win the Tour he has to gain a big amount of time on those 2 stages.

I would be unpleasantly surprised if Froome gains any time on Ventoux over Quintana. 3 years ago Nairo attacked very early, was caught by Froome during the penultimate km and only lost about half a minute in the end. He is most certainly stronger now, while Froome is on similar level at best.

I fear Aspin, echelons and crashes. So he he can survive the first week (including Aspin) and is ST as Froome or very close, I think he should be considered the favourite. So basically what you said

 

[sir fly]

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