Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Taxus4a]

So, had he something in le Tour?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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So, had he something in le Tour?

He said he was close to pulling out because he felt so bad, so yes, I very much think so.. he spoke about allergies, but that shouldn't be the reason for feeling that bad

 

[Escarabajo]

Valv.Piti, I'll take what Quintana says, or any of the other top riders, with a grain of salt. They are under a great pressure by the sponsors, coaches, friends, fans and everybody else to perform. That's sometimes too much and is better to come up with an excuse. I can tell you that I would believe him this year. I called it several times on this forum. He was visibly weak and never really recuperated.

In the Giro 2014. No way. La Vuelta last year. Maybe. But I could say that his performance was on pair for a guy who was tired and had a good performance at the Tour.

But that's just my opinion. Don't have the inside information.

Maybe I can add that he is small and that could be part of the problem of getting tired easier than a bigger guy. Nothing he can do about that. He actually does very, very good for a small guy. My 2 cents.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Valv.Piti, I'll take what Quintana says, or any of the other top riders, with a grain of salt. They are under a great pressure by the sponsors, coaches, friends, fans and everybody else to perform. That's sometimes too much and is better to come up with an excuse. I can tell you that I would believe him this year. I called it several times on this forum. He was visibly weak and never really recuperated.

In the Giro 2014. No way. La Vuelta last year. Maybe. But I could say that his performance was on pair for a guy who was tired and had a good performance at the Tour.

But that's just my opinion. Don't have the inside information.

Maybe I can add that he is small and that could be part of the problem of getting tired easier than a bigger guy. Nothing he can do about that. He actually does very, very good for a small guy. My 2 cents.

Overall agree, but I think it was very obvious that he definitely was sick in last year's Vuelta of a couple of days. There is no way around that, pretty sure I remember it was fever.

The Giro might very well have been spin, who knows.

 

[saneguy]

I think the way Froome has ridden off late - Quintana has just been caught out completely. Froome is not letting the traditional "Climbing Specialists" to survive in GTs, he is climbing well (8/10), TT (10/10) and heck he is descending well and even power riding with the likes of Peter Sagan and still holding their wheel comfortably. I dont think Quintana stands any chance until he explodes in the mountains. And I mean really go full mental in some of the climbs. Till then Froome will just keep continuing to dominate all GTs (barring fatigue which I expect in Vuelta). Quintana has improved in TT but its still a long long way away from being even remotely close to Froome - I mean 1.10 down in a MTT (Stage 18 Tour) is a lot!

I do not have much expectations of him during Vuelta having not knowing his health recovery post tour. Maybe Stage 3/4 should give us an early indication on his form.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Valv.Piti, I'll take what Quintana says, or any of the other top riders, with a grain of salt. They are under a great pressure by the sponsors, coaches, friends, fans and everybody else to perform. That's sometimes too much and is better to come up with an excuse. I can tell you that I would believe him this year. I called it several times on this forum. He was visibly weak and never really recuperated.

Yeah, every pro cyclist seems to be riddled with allergies. It's just a go-to excuse when you're simply not as good as you thought.

 

[Escarabajo]

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I think the way Froome has ridden off late - Quintana has just been caught out completely. Froome is not letting the traditional "Climbing Specialists" to survive in GTs, he is climbing well (8/10), TT (10/10) and heck he is descending well and even power riding with the likes of Peter Sagan and still holding their wheel comfortably. I dont think Quintana stands any chance until he explodes in the mountains. And I mean really go full mental in some of the climbs. Till then Froome will just keep continuing to dominate all GTs (barring fatigue which I expect in Vuelta). Quintana has improved in TT but its still a long long way away from being even remotely close to Froome - I mean 1.10 down in a MTT (Stage 18 Tour) is a lot!

I do not have much expectations of him during Vuelta having not knowing his health recovery post tour. Maybe Stage 3/4 should give us an early indication on his form.

I am not sure if agree with you on this. There is no way in this world that Quintana gives up that time on a MTT. If we want to call that a true MTT, which I don't. His performance was just a consequence of already being weak, fatigued, ill or whatever you want to call it. Top Quintana on a MTT is one of the best. But it doesn't matter in this case if he was already spent. That's a different problem.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Valv.Piti, I'll take what Quintana says, or any of the other top riders, with a grain of salt. They are under a great pressure by the sponsors, coaches, friends, fans and everybody else to perform. That's sometimes too much and is better to come up with an excuse. I can tell you that I would believe him this year. I called it several times on this forum. He was visibly weak and never really recuperated.

In the Giro 2014. No way. La Vuelta last year. Maybe. But I could say that his performance was on pair for a guy who was tired and had a good performance at the Tour.

But that's just my opinion. Don't have the inside information.

Maybe I can add that he is small and that could be part of the problem of getting tired easier than a bigger guy. Nothing he can do about that. He actually does very, very good for a small guy. My 2 cents.

He was sick in la Vuelta and other races, yes, but I mean this time...he aid he must have something, becouse he cant breath properly, although he was not tired...Annd it was said to do test to see i what happens annddI have never heard more about that...as well I dont know hpw he feel right now.

Maybe it was just preassure and things like that, I just asked the result of his test...

He shoudl be the main favouritefor the stage of Aubisque...

 

[Taxus4a]

Quintana didnt show abad level inn the Tour, he was 3rd, close to 2nd,so you need a hight level to be there innn the best race of the world. But he wannnst at his level, at least the last week.. maybe just tired for the strong wind some stages and afected by pressure, but in his assesments he said: I tis not fatigue what I feel, but my legs doesnt work...maybe ann allergie, but it was raininnng and the problem remained.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Quintana didnt show abad level inn the Tour, he was 3rd, close to 2nd,so you need a hight level to be there innn the best race of the world. But he wannnst at his level, at least the last week.. maybe just tired for the strong wind some stages and afected by pressure, but in his assesments he said: I tis not fatigue what I feel, but my legs doesnt work...maybe ann allergie, but it was raininnng and the problem remained.

Allergies are an immune disorder.

 

[DNP-Old]

Really good showing on a finish that isn't his cup of tea at all. Looks way better than in le Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Really good showing on a finish that isn't his cup of tea at all. Looks way better than in le Tour.

He would be my favourite now after Froome did the Olympics. Might just be what he needs in order to get the edge.

 

[Moviestar]

Solid ride by Nairo. Promising sign to the next stages.

 

[yaco]

It was just an average ride - It's a worry when Fernandez and Valverde slow down to wait for Quintano.

 

[Red Rick]

Very good by Quintana today.

 

[Jspear]

It seemed to me that Quintana slowed down at one point. I think he could have gone better. He and Chaves had a gap at one point, but then they started looking around.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

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It seemed to me that Quintana slowed down at one point. I think he could have gone better. He and Chaves had a gap at one point, but then they started looking around.

Because Nairo Quintana was fading due to the high tempo of Ruben Fernandez. When his legs begin to be really bad, he often adopts a very very conservative ride, even if he's one of the best riders uphill and some GC guys like Froomey are behind him. It looks strange but an alarm inhibits his mind, so you will never see him attacks if he's struggling, unlike Contador who is ready to loose all for the win.

 

[Escarabajo]

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It seemed to me that Quintana slowed down at one point. I think he could have gone better. He and Chaves had a gap at one point, but then they started looking around.

Because Nairo Quintana was fading due to the high tempo of Ruben Fernandez. When his legs begin to be really bad, he often adopts a very very conservative ride, even if he's one of the best riders uphill and some GC guys like Froomey are behind him. It looks strange but an alarm inhibits his mind, so you will never see him attacks if he's struggling, unlike Contador who is ready to loose all for the win.

+1. I couldn't have said it better.

 

[filipepc]

It was a good result for Quintana today, let´s see how he will make it tomorrow. I was surprised.

About the last post, i agree, it´s diferent types of aproaches of a race. Quintana isn´t like Contador, he prefers to hold on.

 

[Lexman]

from sporza website Quintana says he feels his legs and is tired from TdF :
"Ik voel de vermoeidheid van de Tour. Ik bekijk het van dag tot dag, want mijn benen voelen alles wat we in de Tour meegemaakt hebben."

 

[Escarabajo]

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from sporza website Quintana says he feels his legs and is tired from TdF :
"Ik voel de vermoeidheid van de Tour. Ik bekijk het van dag tot dag, want mijn benen voelen alles wat we in de Tour meegemaakt hebben."

In some Colombian forums he was being criticized for what he said. That was yesterday. Now people starting to realize is not good to say these things. And to be honest he can not conclude that after 1 stage with a steep short hill. He needs to differentiate what is illness, what is fatigue, what is being weak or strong. Not react everytime that he is not winning. Even when he won the Giro he was sick. At the beginning of Romandie he was weak and then he wins. etc. Just saying.

 

[SeriousSam]

He clearly feels the need to make an excuse whenever he falls short of expectations.

Only really big wins can cure someone from that type of insecurity. He needs to win the Tour, and in style, to get the confidence to just shrug his shoulders when things don't quite work as planned. Froome is a good case study.

 

[dusty red roads]

Then again, who knows why he said that - for instance he might have been asked if he's feeling the tour in his legs so he said yes, and then it's quoted without the question.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Not a particular good finish for Nairo today, very hot and flat before the last climb. Might take some sting out of him. Hoping he can stay with Froome, but if not, it isn't a disaster. He has seen this stage and Naranco, so he knows the climbs.

He was adamant in an interview beforehand he wanted to win on Lagos.

 

[DNP-Old]

Another great showing on a finish he despises. He's back.