Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[DFA123]

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At this point, Froome, Dumoulin, Landa all look more likely to win a GT than Quintana depending on the parcours

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm struggling to think of any parcours where Landa looks more likely to win than Quintana. Landa will be riding for Quintana at the Tour next season, which pretty much says it all. Dumoulin only if there is a huge amount of TTing - otherwise Quintana is obviously favourite. And even with a TT heavy route he has chances if he turns up with better form than he had at the Giro.

Froome is the only one who would start as favourite ahead of Quintana, regardless of the route. And he's going to be 33 by next year's Tour.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

At this point, Froome, Dumoulin, Landa all look more likely to win a GT than Quintana depending on the parcours

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm struggling to think of any parcours where Landa looks more likely to win than Quintana. Landa will be riding for Quintana at the Tour next season, which pretty much says it all. Dumoulin only if there is a huge amount of TTing - otherwise Quintana is obviously favourite. And even with a TT heavy route he has chances if he turns up with better form than he had at the Giro.

Froome is the only one who would start as favourite ahead of Quintana, regardless of the route. And he's going to be 33 by next year's Tour.

This year's Giro was pretty balanced, just looks TT heavy compared to recent Tours and Vueltas, and Quintana was beaten comfortably. Landa is very similar to Quintana in both climbing and TTing ability, difference being he seems to be progressing

In fact, if Kruijswijk rediscovers his 2016 Giro form, he'd be a challenger to Quintana too

 

[Red Rick]

Kruijswijk is a ship that sailed I fear. I hope he wins a stage in a GT at some point

 

[Escarabajo]

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At this point, Froome, Dumoulin, Landa all look more likely to win a GT than Quintana depending on the parcours

Poor Quintana, Lopez is not doing him any favors! Lol.

Let him relax at home with his family and rethink about his plans for next year.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Im pretty certain that unless ASO throws us a curveball and suddenly includes a lot more time trailing than usual that Quintana will be Froome's biggest rival. We need to stop overreacting, at this point last year he was winning a Vuelta against a very good Froome.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Re: Re:

At this point, Froome, Dumoulin, Landa all look more likely to win a GT than Quintana depending on the parcours

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm struggling to think of any parcours where Landa looks more likely to win than Quintana. Landa will be riding for Quintana at the Tour next season, which pretty much says it all. Dumoulin only if there is a huge amount of TTing - otherwise Quintana is obviously favourite. And even with a TT heavy route he has chances if he turns up with better form than he had at the Giro.

Froome is the only one who would start as favourite ahead of Quintana, regardless of the route. And he's going to be 33 by next year's Tour.

This year's Giro was pretty balanced, just looks TT heavy compared to recent Tours and Vueltas, and Quintana was beaten comfortably. Landa is very similar to Quintana in both climbing and TTing ability, difference being he seems to be progressing

In fact, if Kruijswijk rediscovers his 2016 Giro form, he'd be a challenger to Quintana too

Quintana was beaten fairly comfortably only due to him not concentrating solely on the Giro, but to the double. It is a crucial difference, because the different focus influenced both the timing and the height of his peak form in the Giro.

Talk of him being over the hill and in decline is something that cannot be taken seriously at this point in time.

Nothing seen this year suggests that Landa was stronger than in 2015. His effortless style on the bike often made him look stronger than he really was, and lead to a whole load of baseless hype from fanboy brigade. He is really good, but probably the most overhyped rider in this forum at the same time.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

At this point, Froome, Dumoulin, Landa all look more likely to win a GT than Quintana depending on the parcours

That is a ridiculous statement. I'm struggling to think of any parcours where Landa looks more likely to win than Quintana. Landa will be riding for Quintana at the Tour next season, which pretty much says it all. Dumoulin only if there is a huge amount of TTing - otherwise Quintana is obviously favourite. And even with a TT heavy route he has chances if he turns up with better form than he had at the Giro.

Froome is the only one who would start as favourite ahead of Quintana, regardless of the route. And he's going to be 33 by next year's Tour.

This year's Giro was pretty balanced, just looks TT heavy compared to recent Tours and Vueltas, and Quintana was beaten comfortably. Landa is very similar to Quintana in both climbing and TTing ability, difference being he seems to be progressing

In fact, if Kruijswijk rediscovers his 2016 Giro form, he'd be a challenger to Quintana too

Quintana was beaten fairly comfortably only due to him not concentrating solely on the Giro, but to the double. It is a crucial difference, because the different focus influenced both the timing and the height of his peak form in the Giro.

Talk of him being over the hill and in decline is something that cannot be taken seriously at this point in time.

Nothing seen this year suggests that Landa was stronger than in 2015. His effortless style on the bike often made him look stronger than he really was, and lead to a whole load of baseless hype from fanboy brigade. He is really good, but probably the most overhyped rider in this forum at the same time.

Good point, forgot to consider this when analysing his Giro performance this year. Problem is, if he timed his form to not properly peak for the Giro, he should not have been so hopeless at the Tour. But anyway, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that his performance at the Giro was only 95% of his 2017 ceiling

Of course he's not done yet, he's still in his 20s.

However, Landa almost got a place on the podium at the Tour, despite domestique duties, after riding the Giro relatively full on (contending for GC first week and then being in quite a few breaks too). He deserves the hype.

 

[ngent41]

The tour was Quintana's 4th grand tour in a row.

 

[Durden93]

I think this should be Nairo's final serious attempt at the tour. A Quintana/Landa duo could be effective against the sky train. It's worth a shot.

 

[telencefalus]

hello , we was thinking that Quintana season was over , but after the world Championship road race ,he will be in Italy riding one day races , Giro dell'emilia and the monument ILLOMBARDIA , expect him to be in contention for the win

 

[DFA123]

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hello , we was thinking that Quintana season was over , but after the world Championship road race ,he will be in Italy riding one day races , Giro dell'emilia and the monument ILLOMBARDIA , expect him to be in contention for the win

Would be amazing to see him challenge for Lombardia. He'll certainly be one of the favourites if he's been specifically preparing for it I imagine.

 

[telencefalus]

Re: Re:

hello , we was thinking that Quintana season was over , but after the world Championship road race ,he will be in Italy riding one day races , Giro dell'emilia and the monument ILLOMBARDIA , expect him to be in contention for the win

Would be amazing to see him challenge for Lombardia. He'll certainly be one of the favourites if he's been specifically preparing for it I imagine.

i THINK he is preparing for winning it in Colombia , this year lombardia is very difficult like the 2015 edition , it has the last 20 km without flat part , difficult climb all over and a finish on the descent after two steep climbs, so if he prepring for it he could win , he said last year that he would like to win Lombardia and liegi in the future

 

[Pennino]

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hello , we was thinking that Quintana season was over , but after the world Championship road race ,he will be in Italy riding one day races , Giro dell'emilia and the monument ILLOMBARDIA , expect him to be in contention for the win

Great, it certainly will help him becoming an even better rider overall.

 

[ice&fire]

Since when is winning a GT with half a minute over the runner-up fairly comfortable?

 

[Red Rick]

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Since when is winning a GT with half a minute over the runner-up fairly comfortable?

He did have time enough to *** beside the road.

 

[telencefalus]

have to say that Quintana , Nibali and Others wait a for more than 3 km , if they goes full gas Dumoulin arrives with 4 or 5 minutes not 2,5 minutes

 

[telencefalus]

so it's fair to say that Dumoulin win the giro not being the best rider , as i said if the Group goes full gas dumolin is doomed , so prepare to have the hype of dumulin goes deep down at the next grand tours unless TT is 80 km , but at letour i doubt it because of Bardet , Pinot , and Gaudu so for at least 10 years no 80 km tt at le tour

 

[Alexandre B.]

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so it's fair to say that Dumoulin win the giro not being the best rider , as i said if the Group goes full gas dumolin is doomed , so prepare to have the hype of dumulin goes deep down at the next grand tours unless TT is 80 km , but at letour i doubt it because of Bardet , Pinot , and Gaudu so for at least 10 years no 80 km tt at le tour

Dumoulin won the Giro while being the best rider.

 

[telencefalus]

he could be but i think if on the Stelvio they go full gas dumulin is doomed , that i think is pretty clear , i see the stage they wait , almost softpedalling ,so dumulin hype doesn't need to be so high because as i said in le tour tt will be very few especially for bardet pinot and gaudu

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin showed in Ortisei, Oropa and especially the Stelvio stage that he was the strongest rider. No doubt.

 

[telencefalus]

ok but please imagine if Nibali goes full *** after dumuolin stopped , he will lose 5 minutes

 

[telencefalus]

however he won , in the stats that is but i 'll add next stopped for **** but rivals wait for him for 4 km , Coppi would have just laugh at them

 

[Valv.Piti]

Great news that Quintana is racing a autumn schedule, the Worlds is obviously not very suited for him, but it will be very good training for M-T and Il Lombardia. And why not ride the time trial, I mean, it finishes on a climb? Would be cool to see him finish in top-15 or even top-10 and its great training for next year''s time trials. He wont win the RR anyways.

Assuming he is fresh, I could see him winning Lombardia on a very mountanious route like Chaves, altho he obviously is a bit more explosive. But you can go alone on this course I think if its similar in difficulty to 15 and 16.

 

[Red Rick]

When do we know the Lombardia route anyway?

May end up being a domestique for Valverde

 

[telencefalus]

the lombardia is very difficult Nairo Quintana could wins it , he stated that he wants to win it and also the liegi this is difficult however , but lombardia this year could be done , but of course we have to see , i think he wants to forgive the below season of gt