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I don't think many riders if any could have done what Froome did in the Giro. As long as Quintana's losses are kept to a minimum he's not out of it completely but one more bad stage and he's done. There will be too much time to make up in the mountains before the TT which he will lose time in as well. If he hasn't lost much more time after stage 9 he's still in it because Froome and Dumoulin may struggle in the third week and they are his most consistent rivals and the best TT GC riders. Uran looks well placed as well with a few good hilly stages to come which should suit him.
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I don't think many riders if any could have done what Froome did in the Giro. As long as Quintana's losses are kept to a minimum he's not out of it completely but one more bad stage and he's done. There will be too much time to make up in the mountains before the TT which he will lose time in as well. If he hasn't lost much more time after stage 9 he's still in it because Froome and Dumoulin may struggle in the third week and they are his most consistent rivals and the best TT GC riders. Uran looks well placed as well with a few good hilly stages to come which should suit him.
Don't think NQ will be allowed to attack up the road, no matter how far back on GC he is. He would be a good helper for Landa so he will be marked. It could be a case of 1 Movistar rival down 1 to go. Crumbled before the first rest day.
Froome was sole leader of his team. Quintana is not. There are two other options on that team so he won't have the full freedom of a sole leader. However having him attack would be a smart move as other teams aren't going to let him go. Two years ago Sky said that if Valverde wanted to go into a break to go stage hunting he'd need to loose at least 15 or more minutes before they'd be comfortable letting him go otherwise they'd be afraid he would managed to end up winning the whole thing because they weren't paying attention.
I remember that, then he flatted and lost 10 minutes :lol:
Let's face it, NQ has never come back from time lost in the early stages of the Tour.
Let's face it, NQ has never come back from time lost in the early stages of the Tour.
Movistar will probably try go full 2008 CSC on the Alpe d'Huez stage, we have a Quintana that has to attack, a Landa that is just himself and always wants to do something and Valverde who can just follow moves and outsprint people in the end.
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You lost me. What are you talking about? 1 Tour against Froome only?? and only 1 minute.
???hazaran said:
You lost me. What are you talking about? 1 Tour against Froome only?? and only 1 minute.
Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.
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You forgot to add and Quintana isn't sole leader in his team and has to share that with both Landa and Valverde.
Escarabajo said:
You forgot to add and Quintana isn't sole leader in his team and has to share that with both Landa and Valverde.
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point is that quintana hasn't delivered anything impressive climbing-wise since the 2015 tour. the 2016 vuelta was won tactically, his climbing superiority over froome didn't seem overwhelming while being head and shoulders above all the contenders in the mountains is what he vitally needs to win the tour.Moviefan1203 said:
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Even better for him. This way he'll be forced to go earlier because of the team tactics, and if he's strong enough he could do some serious damage.
Koronin said:
Even better for him. This way he'll be forced to go earlier because of the team tactics, and if he's strong enough he could do some serious damage.
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What's reasonable though? He could drop 3 more mins easily in cobble stage/TT.Moviefan1203 said:
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He did take small amouts of time on Froome in Vuela 2016 climbs though, at first he needs to ignore Froome and put time into the other pretenders, then he can worry about Froome.
Look at 2015 cobbles stage which Tony M won - no time lost then
dacooley said:
He did take small amouts of time on Froome in Vuela 2016 climbs though, at first he needs to ignore Froome and put time into the other pretenders, then he can worry about Froome.
Singer01 said:
Look at 2015 cobbles stage which Tony M won - no time lost then
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His Vuelta 2016 climbing was impressive IMO. Look no further than Lagos de Covadonga - we don't need to hold Quintana to ridiculously high standards. Froome would possibly have won that Vuelta if not for the big break, but Quintana was the better climber in that Vuelta, altho not by much. Then he has obviously shown flashes in 2017 with stage wins on Terminillo and Blockhaus, two hard climbs, but overall was just pretty bad. A 2013-esque Contador season, just a little better.dacooley said:
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I agree, putting 25'' and about 40'' into froome on Cavadonga and Cobertoria was pretty solid. But we should evaluate Quintana based on what he can propose climbing-wise to win the tour as I don't think he's much interested at just podiuming yet again. Granted, Tour may be won with a few moderate-scale solos like on Cavadonga, providing Porte, Froome and Dimoulin will be heavily cracking at some point. But I wouldn't count on that too much, so imperious 2013 and 2015 3rd week shape is the only possible salvation.Valv.Piti said:
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Both he and Landa said they were just happy to not get gapped today because this type of finish is bad for them and they aren't looking forward to tomorrow's finish either for themselves.
Escarabajo said:
Both he and Landa said they were just happy to not get gapped today because this type of finish is bad for them and they aren't looking forward to tomorrow's finish either for themselves.
Quintana will probably gain 2 minutes on Froome in the 3rd week between the mountains but it will be too late because he was 3 minutes behind.
wait a moment.....
wait a moment.....
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I’d say 2-3 minutes assuming he survives the cobbles without going down, and he’s willing/allowed to attack with a vengeance.
Singer01 said:
I’d say 2-3 minutes assuming he survives the cobbles without going down, and he’s willing/allowed to attack with a vengeance.
Its a real uphill task today for Nairo. Hes already down 1 min on Froome. Losing another 2-3mins is going to make it really difficult to come back.
Nailed it today
Particularly loved the moment Froome went on the attack on the flat and it was Nairito who was straight into his wheels
Particularly loved the moment Froome went on the attack on the flat and it was Nairito who was straight into his wheels
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He must be in good shape to be able to stay at the front of the race all day. I think if he had Giro 2017 form, we'd have seen him yo-yoing off the back a lot more. Interesting to see what he can do in the mountains.Eclipse said:
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