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That I agree!topcat said:Surely you don't think Froome and his support would have been beaten
topcat said:Surely you don't think Froome and his support would have been beaten
Escarabajo said:That I agree!topcat said:Surely you don't think Froome and his support would have been beaten
But I don't have much faith in Thomas this year.
Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Those few seconds likely won’t matter in the end but, jeez.
Koronin said:Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Those few seconds likely won’t matter in the end but, jeez.
I agree with you. But why sprint for seconds at the top of a climb and then just give them right back?
Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Those few seconds likely won’t matter in the end but, jeez.
I agree with you. But why sprint for seconds at the top of a climb and then just give them right back?
The whole ordeal just seems to be wasting energy he might need later in the race.
Koronin said:Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Those few seconds likely won’t matter in the end but, jeez.
I agree with you. But why sprint for seconds at the top of a climb and then just give them right back?
The whole ordeal just seems to be wasting energy he might need later in the race.
Agreed. The last time we saw him climbing in a race he got dropped by Tejay Van Garderen. I happen to like Tejay, but even an inform Tejay should not be dropping him on a climb. I agree that he's definitely wasting energy for no reason at all. Wonder if he's worried that Landa is in better form?
Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Moviefan1203 said:Moviefan1203 said:Koronin said:Quintana sprints for bonuses seconds and then loses more than what he sprinted for at the end of the stage with the time gap to where Bernal ended up.
Those few seconds likely won’t matter in the end but, jeez.
I agree with you. But why sprint for seconds at the top of a climb and then just give them right back?
The whole ordeal just seems to be wasting energy he might need later in the race.
Agreed. The last time we saw him climbing in a race he got dropped by Tejay Van Garderen. I happen to like Tejay, but even an inform Tejay should not be dropping him on a climb. I agree that he's definitely wasting energy for no reason at all. Wonder if he's worried that Landa is in better form?
Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
Simurgh said:Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
I don't know - he did well considering the question marks regarding his form and that steep walls like the end aren't his strong suit. The Landa attack was as much tactics as it was him getting an opportunity. Valverde in domestique duty, he would perhaps do better if not, but since the stage win was all but sure to be decided by the breakaway, a top 10 placing doesn't matter for Valverde. Whatever energy expended today by Movistar, it won't affect them in the rest of the Tour, I'm sure.
Koronin said:Simurgh said:Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
I don't know - he did well considering the question marks regarding his form and that steep walls like the end aren't his strong suit. The Landa attack was as much tactics as it was him getting an opportunity. Valverde in domestique duty, he would perhaps do better if not, but since the stage win was all but sure to be decided by the breakaway, a top 10 placing doesn't matter for Valverde. Whatever energy expended today by Movistar, it won't affect them in the rest of the Tour, I'm sure.
In my opinion, we again saw terrible tactics by Movistar and again saw Quintana unable to do anything with what was set up. The only thing they did was show that Ineos isn't invulnerable this year with their train. However, I also think that means we're going to see at lot more breaks win stages. As for Valverde, he looks like he doesn't really want to be there.
tobydawq said:Koronin said:Simurgh said:Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
I don't know - he did well considering the question marks regarding his form and that steep walls like the end aren't his strong suit. The Landa attack was as much tactics as it was him getting an opportunity. Valverde in domestique duty, he would perhaps do better if not, but since the stage win was all but sure to be decided by the breakaway, a top 10 placing doesn't matter for Valverde. Whatever energy expended today by Movistar, it won't affect them in the rest of the Tour, I'm sure.
In my opinion, we again saw terrible tactics by Movistar and again saw Quintana unable to do anything with what was set up. The only thing they did was show that Ineos isn't invulnerable this year with their train. However, I also think that means we're going to see at lot more breaks win stages. As for Valverde, he looks like he doesn't really want to be there.
This seems like an opinion you have formed before the race, as nothing of what he did today really suggested that. But not much surprise there.
tobydawq said:Koronin said:Simurgh said:Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
I don't know - he did well considering the question marks regarding his form and that steep walls like the end aren't his strong suit. The Landa attack was as much tactics as it was him getting an opportunity. Valverde in domestique duty, he would perhaps do better if not, but since the stage win was all but sure to be decided by the breakaway, a top 10 placing doesn't matter for Valverde. Whatever energy expended today by Movistar, it won't affect them in the rest of the Tour, I'm sure.
In my opinion, we again saw terrible tactics by Movistar and again saw Quintana unable to do anything with what was set up. The only thing they did was show that Ineos isn't invulnerable this year with their train. However, I also think that means we're going to see at lot more breaks win stages. As for Valverde, he looks like he doesn't really want to be there.
This seems like an opinion you have formed before the race, as nothing of what he did today really suggested that. But not much surprise there.
roundabout said:tobydawq said:Koronin said:Simurgh said:Koronin said:He wasted the efforts of his team today is the only thing I saw.
I don't know - he did well considering the question marks regarding his form and that steep walls like the end aren't his strong suit. The Landa attack was as much tactics as it was him getting an opportunity. Valverde in domestique duty, he would perhaps do better if not, but since the stage win was all but sure to be decided by the breakaway, a top 10 placing doesn't matter for Valverde. Whatever energy expended today by Movistar, it won't affect them in the rest of the Tour, I'm sure.
In my opinion, we again saw terrible tactics by Movistar and again saw Quintana unable to do anything with what was set up. The only thing they did was show that Ineos isn't invulnerable this year with their train. However, I also think that means we're going to see at lot more breaks win stages. As for Valverde, he looks like he doesn't really want to be there.
This seems like an opinion you have formed before the race, as nothing of what he did today really suggested that. But not much surprise there.
Valverde pulled for less than 4 minutes in total on the last climb, and it was over 2.5 minutes between Valverde pulling over after his last pull and Landa's attack.
If that was the setup, they should rethink the tactics