Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

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Good job Nairo. Nice showing for the short 2020 season. It is a pity that came at the worst moment.
Very nice nevertheless.
In the face of a pandemic all sport is meaningless trivia, but it is a pity that Quintana will not get the chance to show the world what this version of himself - as hungry and driven as he has ever been in his career - can do in the Tour. He has been the rider of this truncated season.
 
A real shame... in this form he would have had a great chance at winning the Tour.
I don't disagree completely. We haven't seen Bernal's form, or what kind of peak Pinot/Thomas/Dumoulin/Roglic/Lopez etc could reach but Quintana's climbing was otherwordly. The other possibility is that he would have had (and still might) a Roglic type Tour, in which he comes in slightly overcooked and fades at the end.
 
Not sure he would win the Tour but of course he would be very competitive in this form. I am just so happy to see him rub Movistar's nose in it after their disgraceful treatment of him since 2016. Bravo Nairo.
Not sure he would win the Tour but of course he would be very competitive in this form. I am just so happy to see him rub Movistar's nose in it after their disgraceful treatment of him since 2016. Bravo Nairo.
His performance has been impressive. Still, the GTs require team depth more than ever. Jumba-Visma, Ineos....they have so many weapons.
 
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A real shame... in this form he would have had a great chance at winning the Tour.
I have been frustrated with Nairo in many Tour so far but after the Movistar documentary I must say I want him to win a Tour beyond anyone else..even Pinot who I am great fan of

You can see how much Quintana wants it ...beyond everything in his being

I think he will (would have been ) the strongest climber in the Tour but winning ? If he tries on a climb he has Froome, Bernal or Thomas from Ineos or Dumoulin, Roglic or Steve K to chase ..these teams are too strong

And there is still Podgcar ,Landa,Pinot , Uran Yates bros, NIbali & Allaphillipe

The stars would really need to align and given Covid 19 has scuppered his great form and given Froome & Dumoulin time to catch back up it looks like Nairo's stars have not aligned
 
Watching the Movistar documentary only emphasized what seemed to play out on the road: that Nairo was at odds with much of the Spanish contingent when the choice was Nairo or Landa/Valverde. That would break the competitive soul of many when the endless, painful training hours aren't enough. No one on the team has questioned Quintana's dedication from what I've seen; unlike Carapaz's current characterization as "disloyal". Carapaz to Ineos seems like a move that Armstrong's old teams made: hire the best competition and control it, rather than compete against it. Movistar management didn't appear to have that grip. Seeing a rider like Soler acting out had to be tough for Nairo...and the coaches. Good luck to all of them in the future with some restored chemistry.
 
Having watched the Movistar documentary my impression is that Quintana is aloof. I agree with Oldermanish that the team never questioned Quintana's dedication and his character. It does appear there is respect between Quintana and the team's management.
 
Having watched the Movistar documentary my impression is that Quintana is aloof. I agree with Oldermanish that the team never questioned Quintana's dedication and his character. It does appear there is respect between Quintana and the team's management.
Quintana does appear to be aloof but he also seems very guarded. I'd be outwardly detached considering the voracious nature of Spain's, and likely Columbia's sporting press although my exposure to his day to day is limited. I've watched the GT videos repeatedly and he is very good at riding without displaying weakness or strength until it's obvious; which could be irritating to the domestiques if he isn't actually telling them what's going on.
 
Quintana does appear to be aloof but he also seems very guarded. I'd be outwardly detached considering the voracious nature of Spain's, and likely Columbia's sporting press although my exposure to his day to day is limited. I've watched the GT videos repeatedly and he is very good at riding without displaying weakness or strength until it's obvious; which could be irritating to the domestiques if he isn't actually telling them what's going on.
I agree about guarded as well. I suspect that didn't help him integrate into the team as it didn't appear he was really a part of the team. Not sure Landa really did either (for that matter). I suspect if he's not communicating how he's feeling, which is what they said during the Tour and apparently la Vuelta as well, that it would irritating to everyone on the team in trying to make plans and how to execute those plans.
 
I agree about guarded as well. I suspect that didn't help him integrate into the team as it didn't appear he was really a part of the team. Not sure Landa really did either (for that matter). I suspect if he's not communicating how he's feeling, which is what they said during the Tour and apparently la Vuelta as well, that it would irritating to everyone on the team in trying to make plans and how to execute those plans.
Just watched Vuelta '19, Stage 9 again and you could see a lot of drama that may have settled Nairo's course to another team. At this late point in the season, Movistar had not contractually locked him up and probably thought Carapaz, Landa, Soler represented the future. Carapaz bailed on the Vuelta so it's Nairo and the Old Guy for glory.

You can see an excellent strategy played out by both Astana and Movistar to stress Roglic on the Stage; most oPrimoz' guys are up the road in the break and not immediately available with 20k(about) to go leaving him solo. Valverde and Quintana take turns attacking to soften things up. When Superman starts attacking it fell to Nairo to respond. You can even see a moment when Roglic pulls Valverde back to Nairo; who is dutifully sitting on Lopez's wheel when they reconnect and spread out on the road. Valverde and Nairo size up the situation and Valverde seems to indicate that he'll follow Roglic and Nairo should take Lopez as Nairo has a quicker response for the moment. This works for awhile when Lopez seriously attacks and the rest of the guys don't respond as Movistar wisely expects Roglic to take up the work, meanwhile his teammate Sepp Kuss falls back from the break to assist Roglic. Kuss doesn't last long so it's Nairo's turn to go again and get to the GC threat of Lopez.

We lose some broadcast due to weather so it's not totally clear where the group gets Lopez but shortly after a gravel section that separated Roglic. Lopez looks spent and has no help so Quintana heads up the road with an unknown minor threat of Pogacar sitting on his wheel. Tadej has followed wheels all day and is fresh but not a serious GC contender in the minds of the Movistar directors and, as we see in the documentary; they tell Soler to sit up at about 4k to go and help Nairo build the GC lead. If you're the Head of Movistar, which is the bigger prize? Soler getting a possible stage win or taking over the GC and hurting all your rivals in the process? I was always taught the GC is the prize.

Soler gets theatric and deigns to pull Nairo for a couple of 2km to go and then veers off the front dramatically, says something to Nairo and seems to fade from view. One would conclude he may not have had the juice to win the stage if he blew at that point.
Flash to the finish and Quintana gains enough time to take the jersey after working his a*s off for it. Valverde is following a charging Roglic and not able to outsprint him for the last bonus, suggesting he used up all he had.
What was really irritating to see was Soler in the final approach TV view, able to match Roglic until 175 meters from the finish and then pulling off and riding slowly out of camera view on the other side of the road so he wouldn't have to explain why he left the duty of pulling Quintana, or so it would seem. That would be tough to endure; particularly as cliquish as part of the team seemed to be.
 
Just watched Vuelta '19, Stage 9 again and you could see a lot of drama that may have settled Nairo's course to another team. At this late point in the season, Movistar had not contractually locked him up and probably thought Carapaz, Landa, Soler represented the future. Carapaz bailed on the Vuelta so it's Nairo and the Old Guy for glory.

You can see an excellent strategy played out by both Astana and Movistar to stress Roglic on the Stage; most oPrimoz' guys are up the road in the break and not immediately available with 20k(about) to go leaving him solo. Valverde and Quintana take turns attacking to soften things up. When Superman starts attacking it fell to Nairo to respond. You can even see a moment when Roglic pulls Valverde back to Nairo; who is dutifully sitting on Lopez's wheel when they reconnect and spread out on the road. Valverde and Nairo size up the situation and Valverde seems to indicate that he'll follow Roglic and Nairo should take Lopez as Nairo has a quicker response for the moment. This works for awhile when Lopez seriously attacks and the rest of the guys don't respond as Movistar wisely expects Roglic to take up the work, meanwhile his teammate Sepp Kuss falls back from the break to assist Roglic. Kuss doesn't last long so it's Nairo's turn to go again and get to the GC threat of Lopez.

We lose some broadcast due to weather so it's not totally clear where the group gets Lopez but shortly after a gravel section that separated Roglic. Lopez looks spent and has no help so Quintana heads up the road with an unknown minor threat of Pogacar sitting on his wheel. Tadej has followed wheels all day and is fresh but not a serious GC contender in the minds of the Movistar directors and, as we see in the documentary; they tell Soler to sit up at about 4k to go and help Nairo build the GC lead. If you're the Head of Movistar, which is the bigger prize? Soler getting a possible stage win or taking over the GC and hurting all your rivals in the process? I was always taught the GC is the prize.

Soler gets theatric and deigns to pull Nairo for a couple of 2km to go and then veers off the front dramatically, says something to Nairo and seems to fade from view. One would conclude he may not have had the juice to win the stage if he blew at that point.
Flash to the finish and Quintana gains enough time to take the jersey after working his a*s off for it. Valverde is following a charging Roglic and not able to outsprint him for the last bonus, suggesting he used up all he had.
What was really irritating to see was Soler in the final approach TV view, able to match Roglic until 175 meters from the finish and then pulling off and riding slowly out of camera view on the other side of the road so he wouldn't have to explain why he left the duty of pulling Quintana, or so it would seem. That would be tough to endure; particularly as cliquish as part of the team seemed to be.
They had made the decision before the Tour they weren't bringing Quintana or Landa back and had said so publicly. Unzue was asked at some point in June which of the 3 leaders they were planning on resigning at which point he asked who was being referred to. It was then defined as Carapaz, Landa and Quintana with the assumption Valverde would be re- signed. Unzue's comment was we hope to re sign Carapaz and are not offering contracts to Quintana or Landa. Movistar had made the decision by this point that re-signing Valverde and signing Enric Mas were their two biggest goals of who to sign. You could see after Soler pulled off from "helping" Quintana that he intentionally dropped back to Valverde and rode with Valverde and Roglic to basically the end. It looked like he had said something to Valverde when he dropped back to him. (I think in the documentary we see that Soler still has some learning to do). A week or so later in the Vuelta Soler was in the lead group and was asked if he thought he could win the stage. His response was is Valverde asking, does he does help, where is he. He never actually answered the question at that point. Later he said something about other riders in that break being fresher and he didn't think he could have won that stage.
 
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They had made the decision before the Tour they weren't bringing Quintana or Landa back and had said so publicly. Unzue was asked at some point in June which of the 3 leaders they were planning on resigning at which point he asked who was being referred to. It was then defined as Carapaz, Landa and Quintana with the assumption Valverde would be re- signed. Unzue's comment was we hope to re sign Carapaz and are not offering contracts to Quintana or Landa. Movistar had made the decision by this point that re-signing Valverde and signing Enric Mas were their two biggest goals of who to sign. You could see after Soler pulled off from "helping" Quintana that he intentionally dropped back to Valverde and rode with Valverde and Roglic to basically the end. It looked like he had said something to Valverde when he dropped back to him. (I think in the documentary we see that Soler still has some learning to do). A week or so later in the Vuelta Soler was in the lead group and was asked if he thought he could win the stage. His response was is Valverde asking, does he does help, where is he. He never actually answered the question at that point. Later he said something about other riders in that break being fresher and he didn't think he could have won that stage.
Koronin-thanks for the contract clarification, I hadn't known that. It sounded from the documentary I had seen to that point that the management had noted Quintana's apparent "decline".

I just finished the documentary and saw the live-time version from their perspective, minus the commentary from Phil and Bob.
It reinforced what I saw play out on the road. Soler is going to be a handful but I think having to fight for GC will either make or break him. Adding Mas to the mix isn't simplifying Soler's self-image issues, either. It's easier to be strong when you can pick when you put out the effort.
The last episode of the documentary also defined further what appears to be Quintana's total maturity and class. Very few people could be professional and gracious in the situation. More luck to him in the future!
 
Koronin-thanks for the contract clarification, I hadn't known that. It sounded from the documentary I had seen to that point that the management had noted Quintana's apparent "decline".

I just finished the documentary and saw the live-time version from their perspective, minus the commentary from Phil and Bob.
It reinforced what I saw play out on the road. Soler is going to be a handful but I think having to fight for GC will either make or break him. Adding Mas to the mix isn't simplifying Soler's self-image issues, either. It's easier to be strong when you can pick when you put out the effort.
The last episode of the documentary also defined further what appears to be Quintana's total maturity and class. Very few people could be professional and gracious in the situation. More luck to him in the future!
You're welcome. I agree Soler is going to be a handful. Mas and Soler are friends, so I think that can work with the two of them sharing leadership. However, Soler needs to grow up. Valverde wants to hand over leadership but so far no one has shown the ability to take it, so it keeps falling back to him. Quintana has maturity and class, just don't think he's a natural leader. Still think Quintana should have left about 2-3 years sooner.
 
Nairo thinks a teamate cost him the 2015 tour
The question is who?
BTW, he was specific on being the Alpe d'huez stage.
It wasn't clear to me on that day.
I think He should have attached earlier on the previous stage to Alpe d'Huez. The time had already been lost in the cross winds stage and he had to re-organize after that. So you can't blame it on that.
 
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Nairo thinks a teamate cost him the 2015 tour
Not following Nibali the day before and loosing time in the cross winds cost him the Tour, he actually did what he could on the last mountain stage and Valverde wasn't holding him back in any shape of way, at least in my opinion. If he'd say that his ds cost him the Tour by telling him to play the waiting game, I'd kinda understand that, but not this comment.
 
Not entirely sure if I've understood whether he means it was deliberate: "This guy didn't give his all, and it cost me the Tour!" or just something that happened: "This guy gave his all, unfortunately it wasn't enough, and it cost me the Tour."
 

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