Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Netserk]

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Anmmd exactly like i thought Quintana said he was just responding, had no intention to attack and took no risks on the downhill. That while Contador was going berserk.

They better fear Quintana if he survives the first week

How was Contador going berserk? :O

maybe you should see the decent yesterday

I did. So what?

 

[richwagmn]

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Anmmd exactly like i thought Quintana said he was just responding, had no intention to attack and took no risks on the downhill. That while Contador was going berserk.

They better fear Quintana if he survives the first week

How was Contador going berserk? :O

Good question, and since when do we take a rider's words as truth without questioning it lol

Edit: if Quintana didn't care about the win and wouldn't take any risks he would have lost way more time on the descent. He went all out, he just didn't take the corners as good as Contador.

That's what I saw too. Quintana wasn't taking it easy. He just couldn't stay with.

Hard to tell much on the climb yesterday. I doubt either of them want to expose their true form right now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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If it rains on a mountain stage , Quintana tour over ...he will lose big time going down. Froome will as well but he just is generally sh%% in the rain.

yeah like the giro stage he won the actual giro at. oh lol this is right up there as most hilarious post of the day

 

[Miburo]

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If it rains on a mountain stage , Quintana tour over ...he will lose big time going down. Froome will as well but he just is generally sh%% in the rain.

yeah like the giro stage he won the actual giro at. oh lol this is right up there as most hilarious post of the day

We'll see in the tour how he does.

Personally i think he's overrated, especially by the likes of you. He's a meh ITT, he can do a great hilly ITT, but flat he'll lose a lot. I don't know about his descenting skills, haven't seen a lot. Cobbles will prob be a disaster. And he's not good in the wind as the vuelta proved last year.

He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

I don't see him flying away from froome or nibali. Maybe from contador if he hasn't recovered from the tour.

 

[Andro]

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He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

And then what about Alpe D'Huez and Semnoz in 2013? Was that also against "2nd rate climbers"?

 

[Miburo]

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He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

And then what about Alpe D'Huez and Semnoz in 2013? Was that also against "2nd rate climbers"?

Purito was up there, does that mean he's a big fav too now?

 

[Andro]

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He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

And then what about Alpe D'Huez and Semnoz in 2013? Was that also against "2nd rate climbers"?

Purito was up there, does that mean he's a big fav too now?

No, because Purito has been in a decline since then while Quintana was 23 then and 25 now. Stop being obtuse on purpose.

 

[Moviestar]

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If it rains on a mountain stage , Quintana tour over ...he will lose big time going down. Froome will as well but he just is generally sh%% in the rain.

yeah like the giro stage he won the actual giro at. oh lol this is right up there as most hilarious post of the day

We'll see in the tour how he does.

Personally i think he's overrated, especially by the likes of you. He's a meh ITT, he can do a great hilly ITT, but flat he'll lose a lot. I don't know about his descenting skills, haven't seen a lot. Cobbles will prob be a disaster. And he's not good in the wind as the vuelta proved last year.

He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

I don't see him flying away from froome or nibali. Maybe from contador if he hasn't recovered from the tour.

Did you see the parcours of his years Tour?? You mention his time-trial skills, but there are very little in the Tour, besides Movistar is a force to reckon with in a TTT the recent years. Quintana suprised me on the cobbles in Dwars door Vlaanderen, better than expected, on this point i share your opinion we'll have to see how he cope with the pressure in the Tour. However,you have forgotten to mention his strength: his climbing ability, he is always on his peak in the third week and let that part of the Tour be the hardest part with the mountains. He'll find himself in a playgarden by then.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Anmmd exactly like i thought Quintana said he was just responding, had no intention to attack and took no risks on the downhill. That while Contador was going berserk.

They better fear Quintana if he survives the first week

You really think contador went full *** on the descent?

And your if about quintana is a big if, very big. Stage 2 and 4 will be so dangerous for him. For others too though.

And he can already lose 30 sec to the likes of froome on the first day.

I think he will lose more than 30 sec to Froome and Contador (Flat TT but Conti seems to be in top shape).
Nairo will lose more than one minute to the stage winner IMO. And Froome's time won't be far from the winner's time.

 

[sunnyIce]

Well lets put things in perspective shall we. I think it is only fair to say Nairo is a talent, and is a easy Top 10 and possiblyTop 5 pick for most GTs that he is going to enter. For obvious reasons. But, I think we also have to consider that he is a relative newbie, and us people tend to put too much faith in the next best thing. Let him first prove it over the course of a few years and few GTs consistently.

It easy to go under the radar and put in a big effort (like in 2013); not too dissimilar to landa in Giro, but now in 2015 he will be under close watch by the big guys. Its a whole diff ball game homes. The Sky Train, Astana Train, and Tinkoff Trains will be looking to shred him to bits. Just wait and watch. If he survives these train wrecks without major losses and makes it into the 3rd week, then and only then its game on.

Froome has got to be worried about the Astana train, and I expect the Sky Train to overcook it in the first 2 weeks. Astana is going to cook AC and isolate him for sure in week 2 and 3. AC should stay calm and wheelsuck the trains all the way into the 3rd week, if he wants to win. But we know he cant manage to do that, and will try to put some ridiculous attacks and throw a wrench on the train tracks. And so, may actually end up getting cooked and not win.

Its Nibali's for the taking, if he can play his cards right.

 

[Miburo]

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He hasn't proven much under pressure, he looks fragile, winning the giro was nice but against 2nd rate climbers.

And then what about Alpe D'Huez and Semnoz in 2013? Was that also against "2nd rate climbers"?

Purito was up there, does that mean he's a big fav too now?

No, because Purito has been in a decline since then while Quintana was 23 then and 25 now. Stop being obtuse on purpose.

Quintana hasn't improved since the tour 2013. He improved a lot in 2012-2013 but not since then. Maybe he did improve but results don't show it.

 

[Escarabajo]

Well lets put things in perspective shall we. I think it is only fair to say Nairo is a talent, and is a easy Top 10 and possiblyTop 5 pick for most GTs that he is going to enter. For obvious reasons. But, I think we also have to consider that he is a relative newbie, and us people tend to put too much faith in the next best thing. Let him first prove it over the course of a few years and few GTs consistently.

It easy to go under the radar and put in a big effort (like in 2013); not too dissimilar to landa in Giro, but now in 2015 he will be under close watch by the big guys. Its a whole diff ball game homes. The Sky Train, Astana Train, and Tinkoff Trains will be looking to shred him to bits. Just wait and watch. If he survives these train wrecks without major losses and makes it into the 3rd week, then and only then its game on.

Froome has got to be worried about the Astana train, and I expect the Sky Train to overcook it in the first 2 weeks. Astana is going to cook AC and isolate him for sure in week 2 and 3. AC should stay calm and wheelsuck the trains all the way into the 3rd week, if he wants to win. But we know he cant manage to do that, and will try to put some ridiculous attacks and throw a wrench on the train tracks. And so, may actually end up getting cooked and not win.

Its Nibali's for the taking, if he can play his cards right.

Where were you in 2014?

 

[Gigs_98]

Well lets put things in perspective shall we. I think it is only fair to say Nairo is a talent, and is a easy Top 10 and possiblyTop 5 pick for most GTs that he is going to enter. For obvious reasons. But, I think we also have to consider that he is a relative newbie, and us people tend to put too much faith in the next best thing. Let him first prove it over the course of a few years and few GTs consistently.

It easy to go under the radar and put in a big effort (like in 2013); not too dissimilar to landa in Giro, but now in 2015 he will be under close watch by the big guys. Its a whole diff ball game homes. The Sky Train, Astana Train, and Tinkoff Trains will be looking to shred him to bits. Just wait and watch. If he survives these train wrecks without major losses and makes it into the 3rd week, then and only then its game on.

Froome has got to be worried about the Astana train, and I expect the Sky Train to overcook it in the first 2 weeks. Astana is going to cook AC and isolate him for sure in week 2 and 3. AC should stay calm and wheelsuck the trains all the way into the 3rd week, if he wants to win. But we know he cant manage to do that, and will try to put some ridiculous attacks and throw a wrench on the train tracks. And so, may actually end up getting cooked and not win.

Its Nibali's for the taking, if he can play his cards right.

I thought exactly the same ... but that was over one year ago before the start of the giro 2014. Sorry but when someone has already a giro victory and a 2nd place at the tour (and he also had the leaders jersey in last years vuelta before he crashed out but because of reasons everyone forgets about that), he already proved how good he is so I think its already more bold to say quintana won't finish in the top 5 than he will finish in the top 5.

 

[movingtarget]

I can't see Quintana not finishing in the top 5. TJVG or maybe Pinot would be my pick for fifth. The four favoured riders stand out above everyone else but of course someone will have bad luck or a crash at the wrong time or simply have an off day. It's the nature of the sport. But I have seen nothing to indicate pre race that the top four will not finish within those positions. The only question is in what order ?

 

[nelsonsmen71]

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I can't see Quintana not finishing in the top 5. TJVG or maybe Pinot would be my pick for fifth. The four favoured riders stand out above everyone else but of course someone will have bad luck or a crash at the wrong time or simply have an off day. It's the nature of the sport. But I have seen nothing to indicate pre race that the top four will not finish within those positions. The only question is in what order ?

I just posted this in another thread I think you and others need to keep it real and bear this post in mind cut n paste " love threads like this on the TDF as people always forget its SPORT which in its self means anyone can and DOES beat anyone. The TDF and road cycling is even more indicative of this point. Riders can be kicked out for the unmentionable. They can crash out anywhere from the cobbles to the descents. They can burn out, they can have illnesses. They can mentally give up. Some lesser favourites can and HAVE virtually every year worn yellow then unexpectantly to their own form ride out of their own skins ( The unforgettable Tommy Voeckler ) Riders can have flat tyres, lose their team mates, miss pedal turns, fall of a mountain, race over nails left on road by sabateurs, take the wrong turn and ride over a field, get food poisoning, this list could go on n on................................ Its the TDF, most of us have given a Top 5 but none of us will be right as we can not predict who will suffer the unpredictable, its why we love and why the world loves the TDF, its the best competitive race, in any sport in the world Ps 11 days to go !!!! "

 

[orangerider]

Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

 

[nelsonsmen71]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

Valverde is as ols as the mountains, TDF will be a training exercise for him before his last chance at the Vuelta, he will only try and win a stage in TDF , Top 25 this year more likely retires for the V

 

[jilbiker]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

Valverde is as ols as the mountains, TDF will be a training exercise for him before his last chance at the Vuelta, he will only try and win a stage in TDF , Top 25 this year more likely retires for the V

Remember Vino saying that in TDF 2010 wrt Contador? That he would ride for AC, all he wants is a stage win and to wear the Yellow jersey for a little while? Sounds like an agenda within an agenda. AC never trusted him and never had full control of that team, there were 2 leaders and it was his mental toughness that got him the win at the end, pluss he had experience dealing with that kind of drama aka LA in 2009.

Not sure Quintana has the toughness to deal with drama, he does not strike me as self confident as it probably has to do with a whole variety of reasons much of which is not his bike skills. His 2014 win was without Valverde in the team. This is a spanish team, Valverde is somewhat similar to Vino in self confidence, there is the spanish/south america dynamics (we are better/higher than you). Its complicated.....we'll see how he does.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

Valverde isn't going to be a complete donkey like Porte, Majka etc, sure, but then he doesn't pretend to be. He's not going to sabotage Quintana.

 

[KyoGrey]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

Valverde is as ols as the mountains, TDF will be a training exercise for him before his last chance at the Vuelta, he will only try and win a stage in TDF , Top 25 this year more likely retires for the V

Remember Vino saying that in TDF 2010 wrt Contador? That he would ride for AC, all he wants is a stage win and to wear the Yellow jersey for a little while? Sounds like an agenda within an agenda. AC never trusted him and never had full control of that team, there were 2 leaders and it was his mental toughness that got him the win at the end, pluss he had experience dealing with that kind of drama aka LA in 2009.

Not sure Quintana has the toughness to deal with drama, he does not strike me as self confident as it probably has to do with a whole variety of reasons much of which is not his bike skills. His 2014 win was without Valverde in the team. This is a spanish team, Valverde is somewhat similar to Vino in self confidence, there is the spanish/south america dynamics (we are better/higher than you). Its complicated.....we'll see how he does.

I think that is not the case, as it isn't with 95% of spanish people. In fact, Spanish riders historically integrate well with Colombian riders.

This is not the Spanish national team drama. Movistar as of 2015 has it's defined hierarchies and they will be respected. Valverde since the 2013 Tour has worked for Quintana and for other team-mates when the team has requested it. Heck, they dont even dislike each other! They seem to have a respectful and positive relationship.

 

[Jelantik]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

Valverde isn't going to be a complete donkey like Porte, Majka etc, sure, but then he doesn't pretend to be. He's not going to sabotage Quintana.

i think he keeps his option open. He knows that having Quintana leading is better than him battling froomey, contador and nibali by himself. I'm sure if he is on 3/4 during the races ... things will be interesting.

 

[qwer]

QUITana won't finish le tour...

 

[AlexNYC]

I used to distrust Valverde's commitment to working for Quintana, but last year's Vuelta changed my mind.

 

[RedheadDane]

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QUITana won't finish le tour...

Because he has a tendency to quit races?

 

[Mr.White]

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Quintana has to fear from within his own team with Valverde riding for himself. No matter what Valverde says to the media, we know his true colors. Someone mentioned Valverde finishing higher in the GC standings and I would not be surprised at all with this happening.

No we don't know! Explain us please