Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[fungusbear]

Nairo I think needs to have the gap to Froome down to below two minutes going into the penultimate stage if he is to at least make SKY nervous. He should be good for at least a stage win next week if he continues to improve the way he is in this race.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Really strong show from Quintana who seems to be coming into top form, Froome shows though that his form is still strong and it should be a great battle next week.

As has been said I think he needs to drop Froome before the Alpe D'huez stage as I can't see him taking more than 90 seconds there unless Froome blows up massively.

 

[SeriousSam]

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No imagine he hadn't lost 90 seconds in stage 2. It could have been really exciting.

 

[Moviestar]

Froome seems to be OK, but his team seems to fade away slowly but surely.

 

[SergeDeM]

I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

 

[sir fly]

I'm looking forward to the Alps.
Looks like Froome can be isolated Friday should be the day.

 

[Sky'sthelimit]

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Froome seems to be OK, but his team seems to fade away slowly but surely.

They are not going to be on full form every day of the tour, they had a bad day as many riders do in the TDF at some point.

Even when Quintana and Valverde isolated Froome, Chris did not panic and was controlled if Movistar do attack as they did today. Froome looks capable of matching it.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Game on. Nairo was the strogest today.

 

[warmfuzzies]

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Game on. Nairo was the strogest today.

Quintana was the most aggressive today. Strongest? Didnt appear that way @ the line.

 

[Arnout]

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Game on. Nairo was the strogest today.

Quintana was the most aggressive today. Strongest? Didnt appear that way @ the line.

Because climbers are measured by their explosiveness in a sprint.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

This might be nothing, but I had a general feeling that he had a little more to give today, but for whatever reason did not. I know that doesn't make sense, but he looked very comfortable. Could they have used Valverde better than that though? It seems he had juice left in the tank.

 

[ray j willings]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

 

[ray j willings]

Quintana looked good up until the end then Froome showed his strength and his winning desire. Froome usually as a bad day, they already missed one chance the other day.
I just don't think even if Froome has a bad day that Quintana can get back that much time. Froome will TT up the climbs like he did at the Vuelta to limit losses and if Froome doesn't have a bad day then a 2nd place is all Nairo can hope for... You never know.
Valverde looked awesome again. He nearly caught Nibs and Froome . He was obviously holding back once Quintana attacked ,,,he did not want to help Bertie.

 

[SergeDeM]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

Come on, nothing is absolute, that's just a silly way for advancing absurd discussions. Djokovic is hands down the best tennis player of the last 3 years, doesn't mean he has to win every single grand slam event. Same with Froome. Take that period of time and prove that he's been consistently beat by any other cyclist going uphill and then I'll gladly stop considering him the best climber around since 2012. Otherwise just move on.

 

[Gigs_98]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

Come on, nothing is absolute, that's just a silly way for advancing absurd discussions. Djokovic is hands down the best tennis player of the last 3 years, doesn't mean he has to win every single grand slam event. Same with Froome. Take that period of time and prove that he's been consistently beat by any other cyclist going uphill and then I'll gladly stop considering him the best climber around since 2012. Otherwise just move on.

I have to agree, IMO Froome is just the best climber at the moment. I think if all riders would have to ride against each other, on a HC climb and all of them are in top shape, froome would win this battle

 

[SeriousSam]

I agree. His climbing is extremely good. Coupled with the fact that he has the highest ceiling of all GT riders in the TT as well, he can be the strongest GT rider for years to come.

 

[Arnout]

Don't forget that we weren't even talking about Froome when he was 25. A lot can happen in one or two years.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

Come on, nothing is absolute, that's just a silly way for advancing absurd discussions. Djokovic is hands down the best tennis player of the last 3 years, doesn't mean he has to win every single grand slam event. Same with Froome. Take that period of time and prove that he's been consistently beat by any other cyclist going uphill and then I'll gladly stop considering him the best climber around since 2012. Otherwise just move on.

+1

 

[Escarabajo]

Is ray still complaining and whining about Quintana?

I am not sure who he hates more, Quintana or Froome?

Maybe he hates Froome so badly that he blames Quintana for not being first. LOL.

 

[Escarabajo]

It is going to be very difficult for Quintana to defeat Froome.

I just hope for a good race.

 

[SergeDeM]

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Don't forget that we weren't even talking about Froome when he was 25. A lot can happen in one or two years.

If you mean that Quintana can still improve, then that would be awesome. Personally, I don't think Quintana can get much better, he looks to be pretty close to his ceiling already. Fortunately, we've seen that's already enough for winning the Giro, and if no other extraterrestrial figure such as current Froome and 2009 Contador comes of age soon, we're already looking at a future multi GT winner. Will that include the Tour? That's the big question.

 

[BlurryVII]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

Come on, nothing is absolute, that's just a silly way for advancing absurd discussions. Djokovic is hands down the best tennis player of the last 3 years, doesn't mean he has to win every single grand slam event. Same with Froome. Take that period of time and prove that he's been consistently beat by any other cyclist going uphill and then I'll gladly stop considering him the best climber around since 2012. Otherwise just move on.

Oh really? Wow.

Well then, let's see what we've got, Contador beat him on: Collina de gallina 2012 - Puerto de Ancares 2012 - Lagos de Covadonga 2012 - Cuitu Negru 2012 - Fuente De 2012 - Bola del mundo 2012 - La Mollina 2014 - Valter 2000 2014 - Emosson Finault 2014 - Cote de Montagny 2014 - Valdelineares 2014 - San miguel de aralar 2014 - Lagos de convadonga 2014 - La Farrapona 2014 - Ancares 2014 - Hazallanas 2015.

That's your best climber in the world since 2012.

 

[Arnout]

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Don't forget that we weren't even talking about Froome when he was 25. A lot can happen in one or two years.

If you mean that Quintana can still improve, then that would be awesome. Personally, I don't think Quintana can get much better, he looks to be pretty close to his ceiling already. Fortunately, we've seen that's already enough for winning the Giro, and if no other extraterrestrial figure such as current Froome and 2009 Contador comes of age soon, we're already looking at a future multi GT winner. Will that include the Tour? That's the big question.

It's almost impossible to predict. Obviously he ain't gonna improve the same way as Froome did since he's already at a higher level at this point, but then every small improvement will bring him that much closer to dominance. We'll just have to wait and see.

But what I really meant with that comment is that in two years time we might be talking about the next superstar who's making both Froome and Quintana irrelevant - just like what Froome did to say Andy Schleck.

 

[SergeDeM]

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I agree with Quintana being overhyped by some in these boards. He's not the best climber in the world, but he is quite close. Froome, at least up to now, is the best climber in the world since late 2012. Hopefully Quintana will turn that around next week, but don't hold your breath.

In any case, he's only 25 and he's already given all us way more entertainment than most, and things will only get better.

So what happened last year [2014] to Froome when Bertie kicked his AS$ ? Or are you going to tell me that Froome was not on top form?
Same thing can be said about Bertie now ,,,,,,

Come on, nothing is absolute, that's just a silly way for advancing absurd discussions. Djokovic is hands down the best tennis player of the last 3 years, doesn't mean he has to win every single grand slam event. Same with Froome. Take that period of time and prove that he's been consistently beat by any other cyclist going uphill and then I'll gladly stop considering him the best climber around since 2012. Otherwise just move on.

Oh really? Wow.

Well then, let's see what we've got, Contador beat him on: Collina de gallina 2012 - Puerto de Ancares 2012 - Lagos de Covadonga 2012 - Cuitu Negru 2012 - Fuente De 2012 - Bola del mundo 2012 - La Mollina 2014 - Valter 2000 2014 - Emosson Finault 2014 - Cote de Montagny 2014 - Valdelineares 2014 - San miguel de aralar 2014 - Lagos de convadonga 2014 - La Farrapona 2014 - Ancares 2014 - Hazallanas 2015.

That's your best climber in the world since 2012.

I don't mind accepting Contador as the best climber, although I'd say that 2012 is not comparable since Froome had done the Tour and Contador was fresh, and 2013 was a total beatdown, and 2015 is looking likely to be the same.

It doesn't matter, my initial point is that Quintana is great, but he doesn't have enough results to his name to claim the title of best climber in the world, as some here have been saying since 2013. This point still stands regardless of who we want to call as the best between Froome and AC.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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2012 is not comparable since Froome had done the Tour and Contador was fresh

vs

total beatdown, and 2015 is looking likely to be the same.

Blatant double standard