Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Escarabajo]

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Something is going on with Quintanita.... & BTW he'd be glad to take back his statement about not liking the stage shortened the last 6k, because it would have been fatal had the motor incident never occurred. As a compatriot, I still cheer for him, but is apparent he's not going to win it this year barring an unforeseen crash by Froome of course....

And other riders maybe!

 

[geargbest]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Another blind AC-fanboy? You guys just keep popping up.

In fact im not a fanboy why would I for saying whats true? If you dont think beating a Contador which has done the Giro in advance is a acomplishment then I can understand why you would think that but im sorry its not how it works. Facts is facts something fanboys of whoever doesnt really deal well with. Froome tried in Vuelta 14 and the result speak for themself why would i need to be a fanboy to understand that?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Sure mate

I like the decision giving Froomey his time back, but now it obviously becomes much harder. Gonna defend with everything he has now, Im hoping they have something in store for stage 15. Valverde could be key.

 

[movingtarget]

Quintana not on a good day. He can't afford to lose much in the TT.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Quintana is going to be screwed tomorrow on the basis of today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him being the best climber in the 3rd week, and would be shocked if anyone other than Froome and maybe Porte Mollema or Yates gains time on Quintana in the 3rd week

 

[portugal11]

Will he ever win le tour? He struggles very bad in this windy stages.

 

[bigcog]

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Will he ever win le tour? He struggles very bad in this windy stages.

Let's see, 3rd week he may kick some butt.

 

[Red Rick]

So he said that headwind did it for him? Did they ride in the same direction when Quintana was on the wheel of Porte before blowing up? Obviously this stage didn't favour him, but it's still a very bad sign. Even Bauke Mollema crossed the gap eventually.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

The multiple white jersey winners struggling to win the TdF, it's pretty mysterious : Ullrich, Schleck and Quintana have won 8 times this classification but often failed to win the TdF.

 

[LeSensei]

He is a great climber; so was Lucho Herrera, who never won the Tour even though he was far more agressive. Quintana really needs to step up his game, not by "preparing specifically for Froome's attacks" which wasn't really useful today. He needs a different mentality. Froome today crashed and would have ran the entire Ventoux up by foot if necessary to try keep his maillot jaune. Quintana needs to tell himself "I'm going to do whatever it takes to win this Tour", and do it.

 

[Red Rick]

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The multiple white jersey winners struggling to win the TdF, it's pretty mysterious : Ullrich, Schleck and Quintana have won 8 times this classification but often failed to win the TdF.

- Sample size is small
- They all got a bunch of 2nds

Only thing is that they seems to stagnate relatively early. But then Ulle and Abandy weren't known for their disciplin.

 

[What_What]

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So is it big 3 again? Froome, Contador and Nibali.

Think it's just big 1 at this point.

You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Oh the irony! :lol:

 

[DFA123]

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He is a great climber; so was Lucho Herrera, who never won the Tour even though he was far more agressive. Quintana really needs to step up his game, not by "preparing specifically for Froome's attacks" which wasn't really useful today. He needs a different mentality. Froome today crashed and would have ran the entire Ventoux up by foot if necessary to try keep his maillot jaune. Quintana needs to tell himself "I'm going to do whatever it takes to win this Tour", and do it.

Quintana attacked three times today, Valverde also attacked twice. Movistar couldn't have been much more aggressive today, and they just ended up burning themselves out - they couldn't even shake of Poels. Ultimately, if he can't match Froome's power, he can't win the race. Doing 'whatever it takes' is a meaningless cliche.

His hope is that his level remains consistent and Froome's drops off in the last week. He just has to limit his losses until then as best as he can.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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You might be new to cycling but im sure deep down you realize Froome has never beaten Contador on even conditions. Froome is lucky that Contador crashed if not it would be like the vuelta 14 all over again. Contador first, Froome second.
The history books speak for themself if your bright enought to go in depth of the actually results.

Btw Nairo what an dissepointment

Another blind AC-fanboy? You guys just keep popping up.

In fact im not a fanboy why would I for saying whats true? If you dont think beating a Contador which has done the Giro in advance is a acomplishment then I can understand why you would think that but im sorry its not how it works. Facts is facts something fanboys of whoever doesnt really deal well with. Froome tried in Vuelta 14 and the result speak for themself why would i need to be a fanboy to understand that?

You're right. Barring crashes, Contador will win all 3 GTs next year tbh

 

[carton]

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His hope is that his level remains consistent and Froome's drops off in the last week. He just has to limit his losses until then as best as he can.

Yep. He attacked himself out of the Tour in LPSM, he got "saved" by a moto today.

He really needs to figure out if he wants to be the next Lucho Herrera and win some stages but never win the Tour or if he can find it in himself to be strong enough in his convictions to hold his fire util the odds are in his favor, even if he ends up "running out of road".

 

[Galic Ho]

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Quintana cannot train in Colombia anymore. Not because of the altitude but because of the crowds. He became a celebrity there. When I was there he was lucky if he could ride his bike without disturbance. Not good. Time to adjust training.

He is wasting one of the best opportunities ever.

Now I was right. He was cooked in Arcalis. When he is good he attacks. Whether is on the last kilometer is another thing but what he did in Arcalis is a proof that he was done.

After tomorrow the only thing that waits for him is a long 3rd week.

And those windy flat stages didn't help him.

Go to Tenerife and train like everyone else then.

I am absolutely convinced the roads are packed and he cannot ride on any of them. Not a single one.

He must have an army of stalkers in Columbia.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Quintana should count his luck here. Only lost 19 seconds where it could've been easily 40/45 today.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Quintana should count his luck here. Only lost 19 seconds where it could've been easily 40/45 today.

To be worse than Meinjtes and only lose 19 seconds to Froome on frickin Ventoux - even 40/45 is a conservative estimate

 

[Valv.Piti]

By the way, Valverde with an exceptional performance today. What a rider.

 

[Põhja Konn]

If he can limit his losses reasonably tomorrow, he still has an outside chance. Froome has shown racing smarts to gain time, but have looked eminently beatable in mountains. If Froome doesn't improve anymore or even declines from now on and Nairo recovers enough from what are certainly the hardest days of this Tour for him, the Colombian might still be able to turn things around. I do, of course, understand it is not likely to happen, after what we saw today.

Should Froome actually improve going into third week, it is definetely game over.

 

[phil-i-am]

How on earth Quintana and Valverde (really like this guy for the record) gets s.t. as Yates/Aru group? Bala was already dropped while Nairito first or the second rider in that group after incident. Van Garderen was actually hold, so I see the point.

 

[Poursuivant]

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Quintana is going to be screwed tomorrow on the basis of today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him being the best climber in the 3rd week, and would be shocked if anyone other than Froome and maybe Porte Mollema or Yates gains time on Quintana in the 3rd week

Ordinarily I would agree with you but his performance today has worsened since Arcalis.

Maybe he was just on a bad day.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Quintana is going to be screwed tomorrow on the basis of today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him being the best climber in the 3rd week, and would be shocked if anyone other than Froome and maybe Porte Mollema or Yates gains time on Quintana in the 3rd week

Ordinarily I would agree with you but his performance today has worsened since Arcalis.

Maybe he was just on a bad day.

There were two flat stages before today plus a lot of flat today as well. One and a half of these flat stages were raced very very hard, which doesn't suit Quintana whatsoever

 

[Jelantik]

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Quintana is going to be screwed tomorrow on the basis of today, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him being the best climber in the 3rd week, and would be shocked if anyone other than Froome and maybe Porte Mollema or Yates gains time on Quintana in the 3rd week

Ordinarily I would agree with you but his performance today has worsened since Arcalis.

Maybe he was just on a bad day.

Quintana? meh. He clearly got no legs. Not in Arcalis and not today. Yesterday already zapped his energy. Tomorrow is another survival day for him. All this training at altitude on his hometown, forget to include flat/crosswind training. So far he wasn't that impressive as people are hyping him. Yeah, he was close to Froome on the first week but he hasn't yet chipping any time. Maybe waiting until he lost 3 minutes to start chipping it on week 3, which is too late.

On the other hand, Froome is piling every single seconds. He doesn't look dominant thought. But he is still strong. Don't know if his Sky plan to make him peak on 3rd week truly happens, Quintana should start planning for TDF next year.

 

[TomekA]

Tomorrow stage is crucial and Quintana really needs a miracle. His form is average and there is very, very strong wind predicted - another disadvantage for him. I'm afraid he will lose a lot of time. A lot.