Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Valv.Piti]

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he sounds like a hypocrite , he doesn't care about spectacle
he is ashamed to say but probably he would like also flat ITT's , cobbles , crosswinds and descents to be banned.

This.

(For the record, I agree that power meters should be banned in-race, but the reason why Quintana came out against them all of a sudden is pretty transparent)

It was the perfect timing tho. If he he said this during the Tour, sure this would look bad. Not to much now. Unless he goes on a 50 km raid, you can't see him do anything positive anyways.

 

[hrotha]

It's not the perfect timing. Obviously during the Tour it would have been even worse, but this comes right after a remarkable use of power-meter racing by his biggest rival, who is very much still in contention.

You want to raise this topic, do it before the Tour. Or in the off-season. And more importantly, be consistent! Quintana and Valverde have never been for anything but perfectly controlled cycling.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

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It's not the perfect timing. Obviously during the Tour it would have been even worse, but this comes right after a remarkable use of power-meter racing by his biggest rival, who is very much still in contention.

You want to raise this topic, do it before the Tour. Or in the off-season. And more importantly, be consistent! Quintana and Valverde have never been for anything but perfectly controlled cycling.

Nairo has never, ever been really gifted in art of communication, sometimes it's better to be evasive. Now I begin to believe he and Movistar are obsessed regarding Froome, instead of concentrating in their own strenghts.

 

[Escarabajo]

So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

This is the better timing because he is winning.

 

[Escarabajo]

Hey Quintana wait until Christmas to speak out!

LOL

 

[SeriousSam]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

This is the better timing because he is winning.

It was a foolish remark. By committing to this verbal attack, he left himself exposed to rebuttals and counterattacks as evidenced here and elsewhere. Just goes to show that like in grand tour riding, aggressiveness in communication often backfires. Better to play it safe and keep quiet until the optimal moment arrives.

 

[Escarabajo]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

This is the better timing because he is winning.

It was a foolish remark. By committing to this verbal attack, he left himself exposed to rebuttals and counterattacks as evidenced here and elsewhere. Just goes to show that like in grand tour riding, aggressiveness in communication often backfires. Better to play it safe and keep quiet until the optimal moment arrives.

I would have kept quiet. But if he wanted to speak out there was no other time than when he was winning. That's my point.

 

[hrotha]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

 

[Escarabajo]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

Yes you are. Both are.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

Yes you are. Both are.

Peace and love mates, anyway we looking forward to watch a freakin' 2nd part of Vuelta, it's the most important thing ! Truth is always found on the road.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

Yes you are. Both are.

Peace and love mates, anyway we looking forward to watch a freakin' 2nd part of Vuelta, it's the most important thing ! Truth is always found on the road.

Indeed. D-day on Aubisque!!

 

[hrotha]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

Yes you are. Both are.

Peace and love mates, anyway we looking forward to watch a freakin' 2nd part of Vuelta, it's the most important thing ! Truth is always found on the road.

It's OK, Escarabajo and I clash often because I'm too damned negative and he's not nearly enough, but there's no problem.

 

[Richeypen]

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So Quintana is not entitle to his opinion?

So I'm not entitled to mine?

Yes you are. Both are.

Peace and love mates, anyway we looking forward to watch a freakin' 2nd part of Vuelta, it's the most important thing ! Truth is always found on the road.

It's OK, Escarabajo and I clash often because I'm too damned negative and he's not nearly enough, but there's no problem.

This sort of reasonableness will never catch on

 

[IndianCyclist]

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he sounds like a hypocrite , he doesn't care about spectacle
he is ashamed to say but probably he would like also flat ITT's , cobbles , crosswinds and descents to be banned.

+1

 

[AlexNYC]

You'd think that the people calling Quintana a hypocrite at least bothered watching or reading the press conference, but evidently that's not the case.

Quintana didn't raise the topic; his comments were a reply to a direct question, which was meant for him, Valverde and Unzue, who also gave answers. In fact, Contador was asked the same question earlier in the day and he gave a similar answer.

Also, Quintana cares about spectacle as much as any of the other top riders, but he cares about winning even more. I'm not sure how that makes his stated opinion on power meters any less genuine.

 

[gospina]

I'm still upset that the selfie taken by a fan didn't come out because the guy messed up his phone. When Nairo was asked about it, he said he wasn't looking at the guy's phone but at the mountain that was coming up. In the video, he clearly smiled.

 

[Valv.Piti]

This is gonna be one hell of a hard Vuelta. Froome is clearly one level above 2014, it will all come down to Aubisque I guess. I thought he had him today, but Froome was mighty impressive and clearly was that bit stronger than Quintana today. Chapeau Chris and Nairo, this could be a great show.

 

[Angliru]

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he sounds like a hypocrite , he doesn't care about spectacle
he is ashamed to say but probably he would like also flat ITT's , cobbles , crosswinds and descents to be banned.

Fine example of mind reading. Any other talents to display?

 

[silvergrenade]

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This is gonna be one hell of a hard Vuelta. Froome is clearly one level above 2014, it will all come down to Aubisque I guess. I thought he had him today, but Froome was mighty impressive and clearly was that bit stronger than Quintana today. Chapeau Chris and Nairo, this could be a great show.

I want to see no more than a 1.5 minute gap before the ITT.
Would be amazing to watch that TT with Froome going all out to gain those 90 secs back and Quintana fighting to stay in RED.
This Vuelta has been a great battle.
In hindsight, I do believe that Quintana, even with his best form would have lost the Tour. 2 TTs were quite an advantage for Froome.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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This is gonna be one hell of a hard Vuelta. Froome is clearly one level above 2014, it will all come down to Aubisque I guess. I thought he had him today, but Froome was mighty impressive and clearly was that bit stronger than Quintana today. Chapeau Chris and Nairo, this could be a great show.

I want to see no more than a 1.5 minute gap before the ITT.
Would be amazing to watch that TT with Froome going all out to gain those 90 secs back and Quintana fighting to stay in RED.
This Vuelta has been a great battle.
In hindsight, I do believe that Quintana, even with his best form would have lost the Tour. 2 TTs were quite an advantage for Froome.

I wasn't super impressed by Froome in the Tour, but it would still have been extremely hard to dislodge Froome and the Sky-train if he turned up as we all expected he did. So yes, chances are he still would have lost the Tour at his absolute best, altho its pretty useless speculation. Froome was clearly the better rider and Im pretty certain he could have put the hammer down on one of the mountain stages if he really wanted to.

 

[saneguy]

Froome was strong today but I dont think he is going to beat Nairo in the mountains in the Vuelta. I think Nairo is still far more stronger in the mountains. Aubisque will reveal a lot more. But Nairo definitely needs lot more padding before the ITT.

 

[movingtarget]

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This is gonna be one hell of a hard Vuelta. Froome is clearly one level above 2014, it will all come down to Aubisque I guess. I thought he had him today, but Froome was mighty impressive and clearly was that bit stronger than Quintana today. Chapeau Chris and Nairo, this could be a great show.

I want to see no more than a 1.5 minute gap before the ITT.
Would be amazing to watch that TT with Froome going all out to gain those 90 secs back and Quintana fighting to stay in RED.
This Vuelta has been a great battle.
In hindsight, I do believe that Quintana, even with his best form would have lost the Tour. 2 TTs were quite an advantage for Froome.

I wasn't super impressed by Froome in the Tour, but it would still have been extremely hard to dislodge Froome and the Sky-train if he turned up as we all expected he did. So yes, chances are he still would have lost the Tour at his absolute best, altho its pretty useless speculation. Froome was clearly the better rider and Im pretty certain he could have put the hammer down on one of the mountain stages if he really wanted to.

I thought Froome was very impressive in the Tour and the only time it was in doubt was when he fell off ! It was a comprehensive win and he won by doing different things like attacking downhill and on the flat and winning the final TT. The only thing was that all of his rivals had issues like Porte, Contador, Mollema and Quintana not that it would have affected the result but maybe made it looked even easier to the naked eye. But that's bike racing. The entire Ventoux stage would have resulted in an even bigger winning margin overall I am sure. Spectators behavior allowing for such !

 

[Escarabajo]

Something happened in this Tour that I cannot explain. I wasn't impressed with Froome either or neither of the contenders. They all looked "stiff".

Maybe external reasons that we don't know. But it was a bad Tour. Froome did some different racing like attacking downhill, but in the mountains he wasn't the rider that we are used to seeing.

IMHO.

 

[thehook]

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Something happened in this Tour that I cannot explain. I wasn't impressed with Froome either or neither of the contenders. They all looked "stiff".

Maybe external reasons that we don't know. But it was a bad Tour. Froome did some different racing like attacking downhill, but in the mountains he wasn't the rider that we are used to seeing.

IMHO.

100% Agree.
I have to think that he was holding back just enough in the Tour for the Double or Olympics. If that was no the case. Then he should fatigue in the Later stages of Vuelta.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Something happened in this Tour that I cannot explain. I wasn't impressed with Froome either or neither of the contenders. They all looked "stiff".

Maybe external reasons that we don't know. But it was a bad Tour. Froome did some different racing like attacking downhill, but in the mountains he wasn't the rider that we are used to seeing.

IMHO.

He looked really up for Ventoux and Finault tbf, but ofc had crashes on both occasions after attacking and distancing most of his rivals