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[Sciocco]

Philly Eagles, 19-0 guaranteed.

 

[movingtarget]

Still Unsigned

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[on3m@n@rmy]

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Dennis Green Former Vikings Coach Passes Away

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Some famous DG quotes/sayings: http://m.startribune.com/he-was-who-we-thought-he-was-the-best-dennis-green-quotes/387948942/
Including one of the top rants ever:

They are who we thought they were.

RIP DG.

 

[red_flanders]

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Interesting Interview With Aaron Rodgers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvX8diWgriA

Good share, thanks. Simmons is good and Rodgers is a really articulate, smart guy.

 

[movingtarget]

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Interesting Interview With Aaron Rodgers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvX8diWgriA

Good share, thanks. Simmons is good and Rodgers is a really articulate, smart guy.

No problem. Not long to go for the start of the new season.

 

[movingtarget]

Pete Carroll New Contract

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/pete-carroll-agrees-contract-extension-seahawks

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Now that they have the Gray Haired Assassin and the WWE champ Schneidley Schneider locked up they need to pay @Mosesbread72 what he deserves.

 

[The Hitch]

I think we can all agree now that I was right in my heated debate with Foxxy about Foles not being better than Bradford

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I don't disagree there Hitch. I think the issue I had was how much stock Chip Kelly put into Bradford, and the overall cost of the deal he made compared to the cost of Foles and other future options.

As to Foles, he'll land somewhere in this QB starved league, but after one great season, he looks like a career backup now, while Sam does look like at least a capable starter.

 

[Merckx index]

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Good share, thanks. Simmons is good and Rodgers is a really articulate, smart guy.

Is this the same Rodgers who supported Ryan Braun until Braun was proven to be a lying sleazebag?

I’ve never been a Brady/Pats fan, but the double standard of suspending Brady for four games, on the grounds that deflating footballs is as bad as doping, while letting Manning off the hook just stinks. The two cases have some interesting parallels. In the Brady case, there is pretty good evidence that the balls were deflated, not by Brady himself, but by someone who was presumably acting on his orders. In the Manning case, there seems to be pretty good evidence that HGH was sent, not to Manning himself, but to his wife, who presumably was acting on his orders.

In fact, you can argue that the case against Manning is stronger. In the Brady case, there is some doubt about whether the balls were intentionally deflated—the Pats’ balls on average had lower pressure than those of the Colts, but there was a lot of variation and a small sample size—and no direct evidence that the manager manipulated them. In the Manning case, it seems that his wife in fact did receive HGH--at least, I have yet to hear Manning deny this. And there is no plausible medical reason for his wife to have needed it. Neither case would stand up in a court of law, but if Goodell applied the same standards to Manning as to Brady, he certainly could have sanctioned him.

 

[ToreBear]

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Good share, thanks. Simmons is good and Rodgers is a really articulate, smart guy.

Is this the same Rodgers who supported Ryan Braun until Braun was proven to be a lying sleazebag?

I’ve never been a Brady/Pats fan, but the double standard of suspending Brady for four games, on the grounds that deflating footballs is as bad as doping, while letting Manning off the hook just stinks. The two cases have some interesting parallels. In the Brady case, there is pretty good evidence that the balls were deflated, not by Brady himself, but by someone who was presumably acting on his orders. In the Manning case, there seems to be pretty good evidence that HGH was sent, not to Manning himself, but to his wife, who presumably was acting on his orders.

In fact, you can argue that the case against Manning is stronger. In the Brady case, there is some doubt about whether the balls were intentionally deflated—the Pats’ balls on average had lower pressure than those of the Colts, but there was a lot of variation and a small sample size—and no direct evidence that the manager manipulated them. In the Manning case, it seems that his wife in fact did receive HGH--at least, I have yet to hear Manning deny this. And there is no plausible medical reason for his wife to have needed it. Neither case would stand up in a court of law, but if Goodell applied the same standards to Manning as to Brady, he certainly could have sanctioned him.

I'm not so sure about evidence that HGH was sent. IIRC Sly did not personally send anything to Manning, and I'm not sure he was there at the time.

My impression is that the case against Manning was more hear say. With the only thing being confirmed is that the Mannings went to the Guyer institute.

Brady destroyed his phone. That's why the punishment is so hard. The NFLs investigators are dependent on full cooperation. Brady all but signed his confession and forced Goodell to act when he destroyed his phone. Remember the Browns GM who was texting to the sideline, he turned over his phone.

 

[Merckx index]

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I'm not so sure about evidence that HGH was sent. IIRC Sly did not personally send anything to Manning, and I'm not sure he was there at the time.

Then why didn’t Manning deny from day 1 that HGH was sent to his wife? He has admitted that his wife received some medication from the Guyer Instititute, but has refused to deny flat out that it was HGH. Instead, throughout his public statements, he has emphasized that what his wife takes is none of his business and not known to him. Maybe he thinks it's a delicate personal matter, but surely he could have turned over these records to an NFL investigator pledged to maintaining Manning's privacy. There is nothing in the latest reports indicating that he did this.

Do you really think he would leave it at that if his wife had never received HGH? If a journalist reported that Michelle Cound ordered EPO—from a clinic that Froome was known to have visited--would Cound and Froome not deny that, but simply claim that whatever Cound took had nothing to do with Froome? Establish that Manning’s wife did not receive HGH—which could be done by producing all records of medication she received--and the case against him evaporates. Let that hang, and he looks guilty as he!!.

Brady destroyed his phone. That's why the punishment is so hard. The NFLs investigators are dependent on full cooperation. Brady all but signed his confession and forced Goodell to act when he destroyed his phone. Remember the Browns GM who was texting to the sideline, he turned over his phone.

As I said, I’m not in the habit of defending Brady. I think he’s probably guilty, and the destruction of the cell phone, particularly the timing—and the fact that he didn’t destroy the previous cell phone he had—certainly points to hiding something. It also justifies his punishment in the eyes of the investigators.

But from the point of view of the actual strength of the case against Brady, it doesn't change much. He was able to obtain a log of all his texts and messages, allowing investigators to pinpoint all the communications he had with the two key staff members who were accused of deflating the balls. The only information Ted Wells, the investigator, could not get from Brady that he wanted were any communications containing critical key words (like “deflate” and “PSI”) that Brady might have had with other people. That certainly would have been helpful, but since the two Patriot staff members were the ones who would have been in on the deflation scheme, one would think that if Brady did not discuss deflation with them, he wouldn’t have discussed it with anyone else.

My two cents guess is that while Brady and the staff did have something going on with deflation, there were no incriminating calls or texts (maybe because prior to the AFC championship, there were no problems getting the balls deflated, and after, he was smart enough not to communicate with the staff in a traceable manner). I think he destroyed his cell phone because he didn't want all his communications becoming public (as eventually happened, anyway; he was right to worry about that). He did apparently lie when he said, in response to why he destroyed it, that he always did so with old phones, because he still had his previous phone.

 

[ToreBear]

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I'm not so sure about evidence that HGH was sent. IIRC Sly did not personally send anything to Manning, and I'm not sure he was there at the time.

Then why didn’t Manning deny from day 1 that HGH was sent to his wife? He has admitted that his wife received some medication from the Guyer Instititute, but has refused to deny flat out that it was HGH. Instead, throughout his public statements, he has emphasized that what his wife takes is none of his business and not known to him. Maybe he thinks it's a delicate personal matter, but surely he could have turned over these records to an NFL investigator pledged to maintaining Manning's privacy. There is nothing in the latest reports indicating that he did this.

Do you really think he would leave it at that if his wife had never received HGH? If a journalist reported that Michelle Cound ordered EPO—from a clinic that Froome was known to have visited--would Cound and Froome not deny that, but simply claim that whatever Cound took had nothing to do with Froome? Establish that Manning’s wife did not receive HGH—which could be done by producing all records of medication she received--and the case against him evaporates. Let that hang, and he looks guilty as he!!.

Brady destroyed his phone. That's why the punishment is so hard. The NFLs investigators are dependent on full cooperation. Brady all but signed his confession and forced Goodell to act when he destroyed his phone. Remember the Browns GM who was texting to the sideline, he turned over his phone.

As I said, I’m not in the habit of defending Brady. I think he’s probably guilty, and the destruction of the cell phone, particular the timing—and the fact that he didn’t destroy the previous cell phone he had—certainly points to hiding something. It also justifies his punishment in the eyes of the investigators.

But from the point of view of the actual strength of the case against Brady, it doesn't change much. He was able to obtain a log of all his texts and messages, allowing investigators to pinpoint all the communications he had with the two key staff members who were accused of deflating the balls. The only information Ted Wells, the investigator, could not get from Brady that he wanted were any communications containing critical key words (like “deflate” and “PSI”) that Brady might have had with other people. That certainly would have been helpful, but since the two Patriot staff members were the ones who would have been in on the deflation scheme, one would think that if Brady did not discuss deflation with them, he wouldn’t have discussed it with anyone else.

On Mannings wife, perhaps he didn't want to open the door about talking about his wifes treatment. As for the records the NFL got, they seemed to have been satisfied from what I've read.

Now could the NFL be covering up something? Sure. But they could also be telling it like it is.

On the Brady case, I remember reading last year that this was a way for Goodell to make up for his percieved leniency over spygate. Since the league quickly destroyed the patriot tapes, a lot of owners have felt that Goodell covered up for Kraft.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Speaking of Nick Foles, USA Today put together an article on one-year-wonder players. Pretty interesting quick read.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/nfl-one-year-wonders-nick-foles-greg-cook-robert-griffin-iii

 

[movingtarget]

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Speaking of Nick Foles, USA Today put together an article on one-year-wonder players. Pretty interesting quick read.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/nfl-one-year-wonders-nick-foles-greg-cook-robert-griffin-iii

Good stuff the last one was tragic. Could there be a worse injury for a QB ? A torn rotator cuff on the shoulder of his throwing arm ? Be interesting to see if RG3 can make a comeback of sorts.

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

I'm not so sure about evidence that HGH was sent. IIRC Sly did not personally send anything to Manning, and I'm not sure he was there at the time.

Then why didn’t Manning deny from day 1 that HGH was sent to his wife? He has admitted that his wife received some medication from the Guyer Instititute, but has refused to deny flat out that it was HGH. Instead, throughout his public statements, he has emphasized that what his wife takes is none of his business and not known to him. Maybe he thinks it's a delicate personal matter, but surely he could have turned over these records to an NFL investigator pledged to maintaining Manning's privacy. There is nothing in the latest reports indicating that he did this.

Do you really think he would leave it at that if his wife had never received HGH? If a journalist reported that Michelle Cound ordered EPO—from a clinic that Froome was known to have visited--would Cound and Froome not deny that, but simply claim that whatever Cound took had nothing to do with Froome? Establish that Manning’s wife did not receive HGH—which could be done by producing all records of medication she received--and the case against him evaporates. Let that hang, and he looks guilty as he!!.

Brady destroyed his phone. That's why the punishment is so hard. The NFLs investigators are dependent on full cooperation. Brady all but signed his confession and forced Goodell to act when he destroyed his phone. Remember the Browns GM who was texting to the sideline, he turned over his phone.

As I said, I’m not in the habit of defending Brady. I think he’s probably guilty, and the destruction of the cell phone, particularly the timing—and the fact that he didn’t destroy the previous cell phone he had—certainly points to hiding something. It also justifies his punishment in the eyes of the investigators.

But from the point of view of the actual strength of the case against Brady, it doesn't change much. He was able to obtain a log of all his texts and messages, allowing investigators to pinpoint all the communications he had with the two key staff members who were accused of deflating the balls. The only information Ted Wells, the investigator, could not get from Brady that he wanted were any communications containing critical key words (like “deflate” and “PSI”) that Brady might have had with other people. That certainly would have been helpful, but since the two Patriot staff members were the ones who would have been in on the deflation scheme, one would think that if Brady did not discuss deflation with them, he wouldn’t have discussed it with anyone else.

My two cents guess is that while Brady and the staff did have something going on with deflation, there were no incriminating calls or texts (maybe because prior to the AFC championship, there were no problems getting the balls deflated, and after, he was smart enough not to communicate with the staff in a traceable manner). I think he destroyed his cell phone because he didn't want all his communications becoming public (as eventually happened, anyway; he was right to worry about that). He did apparently lie when he said, in response to why he destroyed it, that he always did so with old phones, because he still had his previous phone.

You are applying the guilty until proven innocent standard to PM. What his wife takes is not the NFL's business and especially not the public's business. I know, you are convinced that what ever was sent to her was actually for him. The NFL was satisfied with what PM told them. Did they use a different standard than what they used with TB? Probably, since they are vastly different cases.

For the record, I think that the PSI gate is BS. The officials should have handled it during the game.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

This has sort of been talked to death, but I did want to add (repeat) a couple comments.

First, I agree the deflated balls should been handled in two ways, presuming the NFL wanted to follow it's rules that are clear. First, once the balls were discovered, the Patriots should have been penalized 15 yards from the next play from scrimmage for equipment tampering. Next, the NFL should have fined the Patriots the maximum fine for each incident. I believe that's $10,000, or a total of $110,000.

However, the CBA doesn't cover every ruling, and has a very vague area that essentially says that suspensions are handled by the commissioners office, and appeals are to the commissioner. When the NFLPA agreed to this, they assumed that despite Goodell's ego, he would be like Taglibou and Rozelle before him, and handle confusing things quickly and not abuse that power. They were dead wrong. Sp when he suspended Brady, that was it. Goodell in theory could have banned Brady for life I suppose.

 

[BullsFan22]

How convenient that Manning retired this past season. Yes, he was going to retire sooner rather than later, but only ironic that a little over a month before the Broncos won the SB, he gets embroiled in a PED's scandal. I know he didn't have a very good season, and that he was basically a game manager QB, just simply doing enough while the defense did most of the heavy lifting for the Broncos, but very convent that he retires AND the HGH story is dropped. I found the Al Jazeera documentary interesting. Too bad it was quickly shut down and they were forced to say they made mistakes. Had Manning been a Russian, he would have been suspended immediately and removed from the SB. Probably banned for life too.

 

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The New Season : what can be expected ?

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[on3m@n@rmy]

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The New Season : what can be expected ?

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I am not buying author's Mather and Hoffman pessimistic best to cast dark clouds over each NFL team. Many player transactions were either glossed over or entirely missed. Hence, they missed the boat for many teams. Using Vegas distractions as reason for a Raiders fail is pretty lame. I could go on. Fact is, the guns have nearly all (ahem San Diego vs Bosa) been reloaded and they will be fired. Regardless the outcome, it is going to be exciting.

 

[Merckx index]

Outside of the quarterback, the Chiefs enter the 2016 season as arguably the deepest, most talented team in the NFL. What Smith is able to accomplish with it will be a litmus test for his career.

Remember, this team won 11 games in a row last season without Charles, their best offensive player.

Since being set up with Jim Harbaugh's 49ers, Smith has never been in as good of a situation heading into the season as he is right now. The Chiefs have a great team, a weak schedule in the AFC and NFC South, and a chance to run into home-field advantage in a down conference. From there, it would only be three games fighting uphill against better quarterbacks to a championship.

Does Smith have what it takes to take the Chiefs that far? That's what we're about to find out.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/a-litmus-test-for-alex-smith-in-kansas-city

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Interesting, but worked best when it focused on humor, rather than trying to to be practical, which didn't happen enough.

All Goff has to do is be the face of the franchise for a team that is trying to sell itself to Los Angeles while he also learns to be an N.F.L. quarterback and tries to figure out how to best use dynamic but unconventional receivers like Tavon Austin and Pharoh Cooper. Should be easy.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Jeff Fischer probably hopes it will be easy.

Bosa & Chargers not close.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...much-history-for-bosa-chargers-to-agree-soon/

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Outside of the quarterback, the Chiefs enter the 2016 season as arguably the deepest, most talented team in the NFL. What Smith is able to accomplish with it will be a litmus test for his career.

Remember, this team won 11 games in a row last season without Charles, their best offensive player.

Since being set up with Jim Harbaugh's 49ers, Smith has never been in as good of a situation heading into the season as he is right now. The Chiefs have a great team, a weak schedule in the AFC and NFC South, and a chance to run into home-field advantage in a down conference. From there, it would only be three games fighting uphill against better quarterbacks to a championship.

Does Smith have what it takes to take the Chiefs that far? That's what we're about to find out.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/a-litmus-test-for-alex-smith-in-kansas-city

They are getting the acf south again, the year that division is turning it around. Jags and Titans have several years worth of high draft picks finally coming together led by promising qbs. Luck is back for indy, the one team that was actually good all along and Texans are a talented team too. I could see that being the best division in football in 2-3 years. Not there yet but they are not as bad as 2013-15 either

 

[ToreBear]

How convenient that Manning retired this past season. Yes, he was going to retire sooner rather than later, but only ironic that a little over a month before the Broncos won the SB, he gets embroiled in a PED's scandal. I know he didn't have a very good season, and that he was basically a game manager QB, just simply doing enough while the defense did most of the heavy lifting for the Broncos, but very convent that he retires AND the HGH story is dropped. I found the Al Jazeera documentary interesting. Too bad it was quickly shut down and they were forced to say they made mistakes. Had Manning been a Russian, he would have been suspended immediately and removed from the SB. Probably banned for life too.

Damn, you are looking hard for conspiracies dude. It was obvious from his play on the field that he needed to retire.

What are you talking about shut down and say they made mistakes? The documentary was not shut down. Aljazera America was shut down, but not AJ International, which made the documentary. AJ America was likely shut down to save money due to the fall in oil prices.

And the AJ documentary makers have not backed down. In fact the Journalist behind it said she had another source backing up the claim of HGH being shipped to Mannings wife.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/01/03/al-jazeera-reporter-says-second-source-confirmed-claims-about-peyton-mannings-wife.cnn/video/playlists/peyton-manning/

Had Manning been a Russian he would receive the same treatment, if not even better, because that would mean the NFL had a potential of 140 million more people watching their product.