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[Alpe d'Huez]

Trey outplayed Darnold this weekend. Threw one pick, but once he settled in, he looked better than he maybe ever has. Granted, it was against 3rd stringers, but he was playing with 3rd stringers.

 

[movingtarget]

Trey outplayed Darnold this weekend. Threw one pick, but once he settled in, he looked better than he maybe ever has. Granted, it was against 3rd stringers, but he was playing with 3rd stringers.

Still have a feeling that Darnold will be the 2 but it's close.

 

[Nomad]

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Big blow to Kyle Trask. Drafted late in the 2nd rd last year to be the heir apparent to Brady doesn't look like it's going to happen.

With Josh Allen type size, above-average arm & playing in the SEC (Florida), Trask was the future QB & would sit a year or two to learn under the GOAT.

The first red flag was the signing of Mayfield & Todd Bowles opening up the competition for the starting job. And Trask getting beat out by him is the nail in the coffin.

And what do you know - Mayfield gets yet another chance at redeeming himself as a starter in this league. But this is it - Mayfield has to stay healthy, move the offense & make plays & establish a leadership role - things he failed miserably at with his previous 3 teams.

Most of the experts have the Saints as the division favorite with great uncertainty of the other teams. The Bucs were a disappointing 8-9 last year - even with the GOAT.

IMO, Mayfield has to better that record & contend with the Saints for the division to be considered a successful year.

It's now or never for Mayfield.

 

[Nomad]

Still have a feeling that Darnold will be the 2 but it's close.

As long as he doesn't start seeing "ghosts" again - I agree with you. Lol

 

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[Unchained]

Weird watching Charger coaches.. not sure what was achieved by the lineup.. Kicker recovery from injury looked good but Stick is very very mechanical.. doesn't flow in any part of the game.. interception throwing machine and was still stiff in the 4 th quarter despite playing the whole game.. NO doesn't look bad..pre season looks more about money than team development..

 

[SHAD0W93]

If Mayfield can’t get it done with Evans and Godwin (if they and the OL stay healthy) it has to spell the end of his starting career and Bowles as a head coach. NFC South is the Bucs for the taking again but I think their issues of last year with poor qb and receiver play at times, bad coaching, no run game, and penalties will ruin their season. Then they won’t have Brady to potentially win those poor games late in the fourth like last year. Makes me wish Godwin and Evans get traded or go to a team with a quarterback to improve their career.

 

[jmdirt]

Baker is QB1 in Tampa Bay. He needs to have a season like he had in 2020. This isn't all about BM though because the rest of the O will have to step up too. Barrett is back on the D line so that will help that side of the ball.

 

[Unchained]

Will Justin Fields have a playoff season? Will the Bears be a bust? Will the Rams have a winning season? Is Atlanta a contender? Don't see Tampa doing anything.. I hope I am wrong and Baker channels his inner Kurt Warner..

 

[Unchained]

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[movingtarget]

If Mayfield can’t get it done with Evans and Godwin (if they and the OL stay healthy) it has to spell the end of his starting career and Bowles as a head coach. NFC South is the Bucs for the taking again but I think their issues of last year with poor qb and receiver play at times, bad coaching, no run game, and penalties will ruin their season. Then they won’t have Brady to potentially win those poor games late in the fourth like last year. Makes me wish Godwin and Evans get traded or go to a team with a quarterback to improve their career.

Last chance saloon for Baker and maybe Darnold. Mariota didn't help his cause at the Falcons. As far as I know Wentz is still unsigned and that should be a warning to some of these players.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Agree completely on Mayfield, as well as Bowels. They have to at least look good, in probably the most mediocre division. A 7-10 season isn't likely to cut it. I could easily see a total flush after such a year.

I watched much of that Charger game and I too am baffled why they played Stick the entire game. He made some backyard plays with his legs, but he lacks any consistency throwing, a lot of throws you just hold your breath, and you can't possibly coach this to wins. Oddly, they drafted Max Duggan, and while he didn't do much in week 1 - mostly a few short passes, you'd think they'd want to get him in there for at least a few drives, see what the kid has, how he can develop. Because it sure doesn't look like Stick is the answer.

Will Justin Fields have a playoff season? Will the Bears be a bust? Will the Rams have a winning season? Is Atlanta a contender? Don't see Tampa doing anything.. I hope I am wrong and Baker channels his inner Kurt Warner..

Playoffs?!! I don't have that much faith in Chicago as a unit, or Fields. They look like an 9-8 team to me, but they got a HAUL of draft picks from the gullible and desperate Panthers, and if Fields can play with enough consistency, things look good for the near future. Carolina looks destined to finish about 5-13, handing a really nice top 3 draft pick to the Bears. If Young really struggles, and the Panthers end up the worst team in the league, worse than the Cardinals, Texans and Colts, they could end up with the #1 pick, again (which the Bears will get). Don't forget, Frank Reich apparently wanted Anthony Richardson, or CJ Stroud. But owner David Tepper wanted Bryce Young (Reich denies this, but Adam Scheffer said he had a couple sources). So this could turn out interesting.

That NFC North is tricky though. The Lions look better, but I'm not sold the will go 12-5 or anything. I think the Vikings overachieved last year, but that doesn't mean they will suck this season. Both could go 10-7. The Packers are a bit of an unknown. Love has looked both good, and mediocre in the preseason. Rookie Sean Clifford has been more dynamic this preseason, and looks a bit like Brett Favre!

Atlanta has a stacked defense, and seems to have a fair amount of depth. But is Desmond Riddler really going to lead them to the playoffs?

Mariotta is in no man's land. He's about done, forever. Even Brian Hoyer is thought of to be a QB coach in pads. I'm not even sure Mariotta can say that.

I'll be really surprised if Wentz ever plays in the NFL again. He's gone increasingly downhill every chance he's got over the last 3 years. Noticeably degrading [Edit. Upon research, he put up decent numbers early to mid 2021 with the Colts, but the numbers are off because it was often in a losing cause, or garbage time. He lost three key games, including laying a stinky turd in the last game of the season that would have got them into the playoffs]. Every expert, every fan sees it and says it. Coaches don't talk about such things, but a team would have to be super desperate to take him.

Trubisky isn't far behind either. The only reason Darnold isn't, is because of his age. Similar to Zach Wilson. All 3 now look to be grossly overdrafted.

 

[jmdirt]

Will Justin Fields have a playoff season? Will the Bears be a bust? Will the Rams have a winning season? Is Atlanta a contender? Don't see Tampa doing anything.. I hope I am wrong and Baker channels his inner Kurt Warner..

No. No. Yes. No. Yes.

 

[Nomad]

Trubisky isn't far behind either. The only reason Darnold isn't, is because of his age. Similar to Zach Wilson. All 3 now look to be grossly overdrafted.

"Grossly overdrafted" is an understatement!

Trubisky (GS) 55 (CR) 31-24 (PS) 0-2
Darnold (GS) 55 (CR) 21-34 (PS) 0
Wilson (GS) 22 (CR) 8-14 (PS) 0

You have two #2 OA's & one #3 OA - all sitting the bench as backups! WTH?

Granted, Trubisky had a winning record in his 4 yrs at Chicago but they expected much more than just two one & dones in the playoffs. IMO, these guys are more like mid to late 2nd rounders than top 3 OAs.

And what about Wilson? The Jets are going to keep him around - at least for this season. Can he buckle down & actually learn under the one of the best? Will Rodgers take the kid under his wing & try to develop him into starting material?

I hope Rodgers is doing more than just kidding him about his headband. Lol

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[Alpe d'Huez]

And what about Wilson? The Jets are going to keep him around - at least for this season. Can he buckle down & actually learn under the one of the best? Will Rodgers take the kid under his wing & try to develop him into starting material?

You know as well as I do this is mostly a fallacy, one the media repeats over and over. Very few veteran QBs act like a personal quarterback coach to rookies or younger QBs. Many set an example, certainly - they do that just by being themselves, and sometimes answering questions. But mostly they are competing for a job, and have little interest in being replaced and put out to pasture by someone younger, and cheaper. Yes, it does happen, sometimes vets do directly help rookies, it's just not the way everyone portrays it. Young QBs learn most from QB coaches, OC's, HC's, and just playing.

Yes, I realize I previously posted that Brian Hoyer was somewhat signed as "a coach in pads" for the Raiders. But Hoyer isn't the Raiders starter, is likely in his last season, has shown interest in coaching when his career is over, and I imagine would be fairly happy if Aiden O'Connell does really well and ends up 2nd on the Raider depth chart over him. This is a fairly rare occurrence. I'll even argue Hoyer, at 37, is playing for a future coaching job.

As I look around the league, I can't think of a single starter who is looking to take a rookie or young QB "under their wing and mentor them."

I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers, who has mastered the dark art of selfishness, doesn't really care much about Zach Wilson one way or the other. I'm sure he's not at all worried about being replaced by him either. He's near the end of his illustrious career too. The only way the Jets pull Rodgers to play Wilson, is if Rodgers is so hurt he can't even suit up, as Wilson is basically a bust at this point. Nomad may wish to omit the word "basically."

 

[movingtarget]

You know as well as I do this is mostly a fallacy, one the media repeats over and over. Very few veteran QBs act like a personal quarterback coach to rookies or younger QBs. Many set an example, certainly - they do that just by being themselves, and sometimes answering questions. But mostly they are competing for a job, and have little interest in being replaced and put out to pasture by someone younger, and cheaper. Yes, it does happen, sometimes vets do directly help rookies, it's just not the way everyone portrays it. Young QBs learn most from QB coaches, OC's, HC's, and just playing.

Yes, I realize I previously posted that Brian Hoyer was somewhat signed as "a coach in pads" for the Raiders. But Hoyer isn't the Raiders starter, is likely in his last season, has shown interest in coaching when his career is over, and I imagine would be fairly happy if Aiden O'Connell does really well and ends up 2nd on the Raider depth chart over him. This is a fairly rare occurrence. I'll even argue Hoyer, at 37, is playing for a future coaching job.

As I look around the league, I can't think of a single starter who is looking to take a rookie or young QB "under their wing and mentor them."

I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers, who has mastered the dark art of selfishness, doesn't really care much about Zach Wilson one way or the other. I'm sure he's not at all worried about being replaced by him either. He's near the end of his illustrious career too. The only way the Jets pull Rodgers to play Wilson, is if Rodgers is so hurt he can't even suit up, as Wilson is basically a bust at this point. Nomad may wish to omit the word "basically."

Rodgers already questioning his O line..............as for mentoring, maybe someone like Alex Smith showed Mahomes how to be a professional but I doubt that he helped him develop his skills. The way Mahomes talks about Reid, it's obvious where that help came from and even Mahomes has a QB coach.

 

[movingtarget]

Sounds like Lance is done at the 49ers. Darnold been named as the back up. But they drop 5 million if they cut Lance so it's hard to see him going anywhere at the moment with the 49ers cap issues and the Bosa contract still not finalized.

 

[Nomad]

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[jmdirt]

I'd love to see Tua get scrappy with Clark!

I'm definitely disappointed in Clark's comments!

 

[Unchained]

The stats about Aaron Rodgers as a Packer are really positive about comeback wins, playoff stats, winning when ahead in second half and forth quarter. I really don't see the Jets as greater than or equal to the Packers but you wouldn't know it by the hype..
I am also bummed that nobody loves Justin Fields like I do..

 

[SHAD0W93]

Shannon going from one crazy to another but at least this one dislikes the Cowboys as much as him. I wonder who they’re going to pair Skip with.

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[Alpe d'Huez]

Alex Smith was a class act his entire career. I always wondered if he wasn't almost perpetually injured, and dealt with a coaching carousel, how his career would have turned out. Who knows.

I'm also convinced Lance is done in SF. It's just a matter of time before they trade him. To see who bites. It may come as soon as someone elsewhere gets hurt. Here's an article showing possible trading partners. They have the Raiders on there, but I don't see that possibly happening.

Here's a visual of that trade. Ouch!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0IR5-AXgAAW5Mj?format=jpg&name=medium

The stats about Aaron Rodgers as a Packer are really positive...
I am also bummed that nobody loves Justin Fields like I do..

I think the Bears have team problems, more than Fields. His talent is there, without doubt. After a bad rookie year, we finally saw some of it last season. But the Bears have holes in many places they need to fill. The good news for Bears fans is if Fields improves, 2024, and especially 2025 they could be loaded. They have a lot of young players, and a pile of top draft picks coming (thanks Panthers!).

Rodgers playoff and 4Q stats are...weird if one looks them up. I'm not going to find that absurd chart showing his lack of 4Q wins, whatever it is. Anyone who argues he isn't clutch is simply nuts. But he's also had several sub-average playoff games where they should have won. I honestly think the Jets are going to finish about 10-7 this year. They will win games they should have last year with Wilson, or White. But Rodgers slipped some last season, and I think he will be no better this year, unless he stays 100% healthy. I also question the rest of the Jets offense.

 

[movingtarget]

Alex Smith was a class act his entire career. I always wondered if he wasn't almost perpetually injured, and dealt with a coaching carousel, how his career would have turned out. Who knows.

I'm also convinced Lance is done in SF. It's just a matter of time before they trade him. To see who bites. It may come as soon as someone elsewhere gets hurt. Here's an article showing possible trading partners. They have the Raiders on there, but I don't see that possibly happening.

Here's a visual of that trade. Ouch!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0IR5-AXgAAW5Mj?format=jpg&name=medium

I think the Bears have team problems, more than Fields. His talent is there, without doubt. After a bad rookie year, we finally saw some of it last season. But the Bears have holes in many places they need to fill. The good news for Bears fans is if Fields improves, 2024, and especially 2025 they could be loaded. They have a lot of young players, and a pile of top draft picks coming (thanks Panthers!).

Rodgers playoff and 4Q stats are...weird if one looks them up. I'm not going to find that absurd chart showing his lack of 4Q wins, whatever it is. Anyone who argues he isn't clutch is simply nuts. But he's also had several sub-average playoff games where they should have won. I honestly think the Jets are going to finish about 10-7 this year. They will win games they should have last year with Wilson, or White. But Rodgers slipped some last season, and I think he will be no better this year, unless he stays 100% healthy. I also question the rest of the Jets offense.

Think Lance will have to be packaged with another player and maybe some late round picks. On his own a first round pick who has started 4 games for one one win and is currently a QB3 isn't going to attract much attention. Rumors about the Vikings wanting him as a back up but they already have Mullens who is probably better than Lance at the moment and cheaper. Believe it when I see it...........

 

[SHAD0W93]

Isn’t it like if Rodgers is losing by a single point in the second half (or maybe fourth quarter) to a team with a winning record he loses the game? Crazy hypothetical to get to. He shows during the regular season why he’s great at comebacks and last second wins with minimal time, and has had a couple comebacks like that in the playoffs. But he’s also come up short in the big moments. I just think he’s going to keep regressing and despite the offensive talent around him, the Jets will still Jets’d like how TB still TB’d with the penalties and dumb plays despite the HOF QB. The AFC East is also stronger than the NFC North so he can’t potentially win 4-6 divisional games. Factor in Rodgers hasn’t really played with the team at all and it’s a recipe for disaster if they start off cold.

 

[movingtarget]

Trey Lance traded to the Cowboys for a late 4th round pick.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

And like that, he's gone. This doesn't surprise me Dallas grabbed him. Dak has been terrific at times, but come up flat in big games, clutch moments. The last two years were just crushing defeats for him and the Cowboys. Cooper Rush is a good backup, and that's all the better he will ever be. Lance? Well, he has potential, and won't feel the need to impress right away. This is a message to Dak from Jerry: You need to earn your money and stop botching key games, starting now, as I'm starting to look for your replacement already.

Good post Shadow93 on Rodgers. Agree completely. And I think that is the stat. But it doesn't apply in the playoffs, only in regular season games. I'm not going to look it up. I seem to recall some other statistics guy created some other wonky stats "proving" some great players suck.

Chargers beat SF, but the one thing they have to know, if Justin Herbert gets injured, they are doomed! Stick was 9/11 for 38 yards. TOTAL, not one pass. 38 total yards!!! A whopping 3.5 yards per pass! Plus he was sacked 3 times. Even when looking for screens and slants, he holds onto the ball too long! Max Duggan doing his best to learn from Stick, was 4/9 for 15 yards! 3.75 yards per pass! Granted, Duggan is a rookie, but this is just horrible for the Chargers to think one of these guys will be their starter if Herbert gets injured.

Bryce Young finally looked comfortable.