National Football League

[jmdirt]

I saw the T. Hill body cam video this morning:
-What were the LEOs thinking? They knew they had their cams on and that the footage would get released. It appears that they WAAAAY overreacted. Is this how they treat people in Miami-Dade?
-Hill could have been more accomidating by keepinghis window down, and not scolding the LEO for knocking on his window.

 

[Unchained]

I saw the T. Hill body cam video this morning:
-What were the LEOs thinking? They knew they had their cams on and that the footage would get released. It appears that they WAAAAY overreacted. Is this how they treat people in Miami-Dade?
-Hill could have been more accomidating by keepinghis window down, and not scolding the LEO for knocking on his window.

I have seen it all, had police come at me preloaded, maybe an argument with co-workers or previous anger built up from other traffic stop. Maybe cops wife made comment about him being a punk. Typically police know from technology that vehicle is registered and insured, and often to a person or company. Hill didn't run, he pulled over, obviously annoyed. Should he have complied by rolling down windows? Probably, but when someone is driving a @$300,000 dollar vehicle, have all the basics, license, registration and insurance.. Where does anything physical play out from a traffic stop?
In hindsight, lots of things could have been different, better, multiple chubby cops have to know that if Hill wanted to resist, he could of, he is paid millions as a professional athlete to resist people grabbing him..ugly for sure but it could have been worse. Cop needs retraining and some days in church thanking God that Hill didn't tackle him instead of the other way around.. NFL players have explosive skills!! Glad none were used, everyone is alive!!!

 

[jmdirt]

I saw the T. Hill body cam video this morning:
-What were the LEOs thinking? They knew they had their cams on and that the footage would get released. It appears that they WAAAAY overreacted. Is this how they treat people in Miami-Dade?
-Hill could have been more accomidating by keepinghis window down, and not scolding the LEO for knocking on his window.

From T. Hill:
“I will say I could have been better. I could have let down my window in that instance. But the thing about me is, I don’t want attention, I don’t want to be – cameras out, phones on you, in that moment,” he said. “At the end of the day, I’m human, I’ve got to follow rules, I’ve got to do what everyone else would do. Now, does that give them the right to literally beat the dog out of me? Absolutely not. But at the end of the day, I wish I could go back and do things a bit differently.”

 

[Nomad]

Maybe if Hill wasn't running late, he wouldn't have had to speed to get to the game?

On that note, I thought it was NFL policy that the home team stays in a hotel the night before the game? From there, the team is bused to the stadium & bused backed to the hotel after the game (personal vehicles are left at the team hotel).

The obvious reasons for this would be for the coaches to have control over the players the night before the game (you don't want any distractions with any of your players out partying Saturday night before the game where all kinds of bad things can happen). And if the team is bused to the stadium from the hotel, then players aren't individually driving to the game where problems could arise like this situation.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think that is the policy, however a player can still likely leave the hotel and go party. They aren't under a curfew or lockdown at the premises. It's whatever rules the coach/team have set up.

I think there are exceptions players can be granted to this, like a family member in the hospital, a newborn child, etc. But I don't think those applied to Hill. So I'm not sure what to make of this.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Consider these three things about the Browns. Today Kevin Stefanski said he had no previous knowledge about the latest accusations against Watson, wouldn't comment in any way. He is busy preparing for the next game. Is this different? Yes, because in the past he's often been seemingly forced to defend Watson as a player, sometimes as a person, "He's a hard worker." "We can't change the past." "The players like him." No mas. That's what I'm guessing. No more. I think he's realized at this point Watson is a radioactive POS. Stefanski is going to do all he can to keep his job, and operate with Watson purely on a professional level, what's minimally required of him. I'll be really surprised if we hear Stefanski go to bat in any way for Watson, unless all of a sudden Watson turns into Patrick Mahomes, even then, I'm sure KS will stick pretty much to football.

Imagine for some reason Watson does make a total turnaround, leads them to a 14 win season, and they defeat the Chiefs in the AFC Championship and head to the Super Bowl. I can't imagine too many fans on the planet other than a few die hard Browns fans that will be wanting Cleveland to win. And even many of those will want them to do it with defense and the run game. They at that point would be the most despised team to ever play in a Super Bowl, no matter who they are playing.

I think there's a decent chance if Watson does poorly this week, and the Browns lose to the Jaguars, Stefanski benches him, and rolls the dice with Jameis Winston, probably for the rest of the season. Not that Winston is an angel himself, but he seems to have turned his life around (now married with two young kids). Not that he's a great player, but he's entertaining, and I'd be hard pressed to believe he'd be worse than Watson. Plus, fans would support the move without question, even if Winston lost some games.

 

[Unchained]

Fish are getting fried

 

[SHAD0W93]

Game might not be over but Dolphins got their fing ass kicked.

 

[BullsFan22]

Fish are getting fried

Better call Ace Ventura and….Dan Marino

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Dayum. Buffalo somehow looks better than last year. And some starters on D weren't playing, and Bernard left the game early. Didn't matter.

Hope Tua is okay. If I were Miami I'd have him rest whatever is needed, then maybe an extra game.

 

[movingtarget]

Ugly game for Miami. Their O line was getting dominated. Risky run by Tua which ended badly. Two good wins for Buffalo.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Only watched part of the game since I worked last night but it looked like a repeat of the last 7 games between the two. Dolphins had all the advantages; home last two weeks, short week, Bills defenders injured, and Bills coming off a hard fought win. Embarrassing, same old Dolphins and to add insult to injury Tua got injured in garbage time. Just sign Brady like they wanted to do, being Gronk in, and let’s get this s**t together.

 

[jmdirt]

At this point my biggest concern is Tua's brain moving forward. Three concussions that we know of in the last few years.

 

[SHAD0W93]

At this point my biggest concern is Tua's brain moving forward. Three concussions that we know of in the last few years.

Turn into Wes Welker if he hasn’t already.

 

[Unchained]

At this point my biggest concern is Tua's brain moving forward. Three concussions that we know of in the last few years.

In perspective, if you were under doctor's supervision due to repeated injuries, head injuries and a physician, group of doctors, specialists, asked what you were doing to have obviously abnormal amount of injuries, they would say in plain language to stop whatever it is..
Drinking, dancing,fighting, some exercise, anything were you have multiple concussions in a short period would be an absolute no from any competent doctor. If you were using recreational drugs or dating a woman who gave you multiple head injuries, they would just say stop...oh wait, there's millions of dollars involved. Forget it
He will be cleared to play in a week or two.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I hope to hell he's not cleared to play in a week. If he is the league needs to look into it, or stop it. At the very least Miami needs to put him on IR. That cements him missing at least a month.

If I were him, if I decided to keep playing after however long he takes off, I'd be the first QB to wear the guardian cap. Some other players are already wearing it, and no one seems to notice or mind. One player (Colts?) had high praise for it. Tua is already wearing the newest "high-protection" helmet.

I didn't do an actual search, but I believe Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Jim Kelly all had a concussion in their last game. Both Aikman and Young were older, though still young enough to keep playing another year or two, but called it quits because of the concussion.

Tua also has plenty of money. Even if he retired today and gave the Fins an out on the huge contract he just signed, if I read it right, he'd still walk away with millions. It's more likely they would do some sort of injury retirement settlement and simply pay him $10-20m the next few years, however it works best with the cap. But the point is he doesn't need the money. Details in this article here.

 

[Nomad]

Players & coaches are calling for him to retire:

Dolphins' Tua Tagovailoa faces calls to retire from NFL after latest concussion: 'It's not worth it'

Miami Dolphins star quarterback Tua Tagovailoa faced calls to think about his future in the NFL after he suffered a concussion on Thursday night.

www.google.com

Raiders' Pierce on Tua: 'I'd tell him to retire'

Raiders coach Antonio Pierce said Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire after suffering his third diagnosed concussion in as many seasons.

www.espn.com

My take isn't going to be very popular with a lot of the fanatics. If he doesn't retire, then he needs play as soon as possible. He can wear the "guardian cap" that you alluded to. FFS, he's making millions of $$$ as a top franchise QB, so he needs to suck it up & get out there. There's a better chance of winning with a less than healthy Tua then a 100% Skyler Thompson any day of the week.

This is a brutal, hard-hitting sport that they've chosen as a career. It's no longer a contact sport but a collision sport at this level. And it's not like they're being paid chump change - they're making mega-millions & lot of these QBs didn't even have to be successful when they received their huge contracts. Lol

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

FFS, he's making millions of $$$ as a top franchise QB, so he needs to suck it up & get out there.

I don't know your profession, only that you're not a doctor. Ever hear of something called CTE? What about brain damage? Would you say the same thing if Tua were your son?

 

[BullsFan22]

Players & coaches are calling for him to retire:

Dolphins' Tua Tagovailoa faces calls to retire from NFL after latest concussion: 'It's not worth it'

Miami Dolphins star quarterback Tua Tagovailoa faced calls to think about his future in the NFL after he suffered a concussion on Thursday night.

www.google.com

Raiders' Pierce on Tua: 'I'd tell him to retire'

Raiders coach Antonio Pierce said Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should retire after suffering his third diagnosed concussion in as many seasons.

www.espn.com

My take isn't going to be very popular with a lot of the fanatics. If he doesn't retire, then he needs play as soon as possible. He can wear the "guardian cap" that you alluded to. FFS, he's making millions of $$$ as a top franchise QB, so he needs to suck it up & get out there. There's a better chance of winning with a less than healthy Tua then a 100% Skyler Thompson any day of the week.

This is a brutal, hard-hitting sport that they've chosen as a career. It's no longer a contact sport but a collision sport at this level. And it's not like they're being paid chump change - they're making mega-millions & lot of these QBs didn't even have to be successful when they received their huge contracts. Lol

I think you’re being too harsh.

 

[jmdirt]

I wouldn't speculate this in any other venue because there are too many unknown variables, but since its just a dozen or so people who enjoy watching the NFL:

I decided not to watch replays of the Tua hit, but they showed it on the morning news while talking about a 26 year old retiring so now I'm reinterested.

I wonder if the contortion of his neck contributed to him losing consciences (his ear hole is smashed into his shoulder pad)? Could that have 'impacted' his brain stem? Accelerated brain rotation? Focused brain rotation/impact (to the opposite side)? Too many what ifs with my only evidence being a video (no medical), but he went into DH's arm, and his shoulder took 30-50% of the hit into DH's body.

He closes his eyes, and lowers his head a yard before impact.

Look at 8 seconds on this video to see the contortion:

Dolphins 'crushed' for Tua after 3rd NFL concussion

Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel said quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was in "good spirits" after a concussion knocked him out of Thursday night's game against the Bills.

www.espn.com

Nobody should lead with their head, especially not a guy with concussion history, but he is a competitor fighting to get a 1st down.

 

[Sciatic]

I wouldn't speculate this in any other venue because there are too many unknown variables, but since its just a dozen or so people who enjoy watching the NFL:

I decided not to watch replays of the Tua hit, but they showed it on the morning news while talking about a 26 year old retiring so now I'm reinterested.

I wonder if the contortion of his neck contributed to him losing consciences (his ear hole is smashed into his shoulder pad)? Could that have 'impacted' his brain stem? Accelerated brain rotation? Focused brain rotation/impact (to the opposite side)? Too many what ifs with my only evidence being a video (no medical), but he went into DH's arm, and his shoulder took 30-50% of the hit into DH's body.

He closes his eyes, and lowers his head a yard before impact.

Look at 8 seconds on this video to see the contortion:

Dolphins 'crushed' for Tua after 3rd NFL concussion

Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel said quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was in "good spirits" after a concussion knocked him out of Thursday night's game against the Bills.

www.espn.com

Nobody should lead with their head, especially not a guy with concussion history, but he is a competitor fighting to get a 1st down.

Before they let him back in a game (if the docs ok it) they should send him to work with the Marlins or Devil Rays to making sliding a deep-seated muscle memory. He should not be going into any downfield tackle with his head facing forward. Of course that won’t protect him on the sacks in backfield.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I wouldn't speculate this in any other venue because there are too many unknown variables, but since its just a dozen or so people who enjoy watching the NFL:

I decided not to watch replays of the Tua hit, but they showed it on the morning news while talking about a 26 year old retiring so now I'm reinterested.

I wonder if the contortion of his neck contributed to him losing consciences (his ear hole is smashed into his shoulder pad)? Could that have 'impacted' his brain stem? Accelerated brain rotation? Focused brain rotation/impact (to the opposite side)? Too many what ifs with my only evidence being a video (no medical), but he went into DH's arm, and his shoulder took 30-50% of the hit into DH's body.

He closes his eyes, and lowers his head a yard before impact.

Look at 8 seconds on this video to see the contortion:

Dolphins 'crushed' for Tua after 3rd NFL concussion

Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel said quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was in "good spirits" after a concussion knocked him out of Thursday night's game against the Bills.

www.espn.com

Nobody should lead with their head, especially not a guy with concussion history, but he is a competitor fighting to get a 1st down.

Yes, that contortion could make it easier to get a concussion. But like you said there is a lot of variables.

Before they let him back in a game (if the docs ok it) they should send him to work with the Marlins or Devil Rays to making sliding a deep-seated muscle memory. He should not be going into any downfield tackle with his head facing forward. Of course that won’t protect him on the sacks in backfield.

Before the season last year Tua worked on falling safely with a mixed martial art instructor and it was working. The Tua plan last year was to fall a certain way on top of getting rid of the ball quickly.

First Things First brought it up again but the plan was a talking point last pre and intra season.

View: https://youtu.be/xqBP66cf6EU?si=qaaG1grlyDYFCgFK

 

[Sciatic]

Yes, that contortion could make it easier to get a concussion. But like you said there is a lot of variables.


Before the season last year Tua worked on falling safely with a mixed martial art instructor and it was working. The Tua plan last year was to fall a certain way on top of getting rid of the ball quickly.

First Things First brought it up again but the plan was a talking point last pre and intra season.

View: https://youtu.be/xqBP66cf6EU?si=qaaG1grlyDYFCgFK

I read about the martial arts training but that was irrelevant to Thursday’s collision because he was likely injured by the hit before he had a chance to fall down. The point of my tongue-in-cheek sliding comment is (if he comes back) he should start sliding well before any contact, regardless of whether it will leave him a yard short of a down. Watching live I was wondering why he wasn’t sliding on that play even before I saw the hit.

 

[Nomad]

I don't know your profession, only that you're not a doctor. Ever hear of something called CTE? What about brain damage? Would you say the same thing if Tua were your son?

Of course I've heard of "CTE." (I'm familiar with the tragic case of Junior Seau & the lawsuit against the NFL). However, none of these players are forced to play the game, but they all want to chase the big money & prestige of a pro-football player. Concussions, as well as other serious injuries, are part of the game & an occupational hazard for this sport. If the NFL wants to eliminate the risk of concussions & other injuries, then they should change the game to "flag football."

Secondly, why wasn't Tua wearing the Guardian Cap? NFL studies showed the Guardian Cap can absorb 11-12% of the force of a helmet hit, and up to 20% of the force if both players are wearing the cap. The NFL study showed an overall ~50% reduction in concussions from the training camp data (the caps are mandated during training camp but only optional during the regular season...go figure). With Tua's concussion history, you have to wonder why he isn't wearkng the cap? And if McDaniel & Tua are "so close" - beyond the regular player/coach relationship - why hasn't McDaniel persuaded him to wear the cap?

Lastly, players & coaches, and a top concussion doctor, are calling for his retirement. If he were my son, then I would also reccomend retirement. And it's not like he's going to be out of money & have to go work for living. The contract he signed had a $42m signing bonus that at least he gets to keep. $42m (plus his rookie contact money which included a $19m signing bonus) isn't too bad for only a 5 yr career. Besides, he could easily go into coaching or get one of those ad nuseam NFL analyst talking head jobs. Lol.

Famed ‘Concussion’ Dr. Bennet Omalu begs again for Tua Tagovailoa to retire

Bennet Omalu is once again calling on Tua Tagovailoa to step away from the game.

nypost.com

 

[Nomad]

Christian McCaffrey worries confirmed as 49ers place star on injured reserve

The 49ers will indeed be without Christian McCaffrey for the near future.

nypost.com